Expansion won't happen anytime soon

[alien]

Lets say the NRL allowed the Ipswich Jets and Redcliffe Dolphins to enter the NRL.

We would have 9 games per round. We could have games at these times:

Friday: 7.30 PM x 2
Saturday: 1.30 PM, 3.30 PM, 5.30 PM, 7.30 PM
Sunday: 2 PM, 4 PM, 6 PM

 

[BuffaloRules]

Lets say the NRL allowed the Ipswich Jets and Redcliffe Dolphins to enter the NRL.

We would have 9 games per round. We could have games at these times:

Friday: 7.30 PM x 2
Saturday: 1.30 PM, 3.30 PM, 5.30 PM, 7.30 PM
Sunday: 2 PM, 4 PM, 6 PM

Now you are trolling again like the Adelaide Bulldogs from last offseason

Unfortunately Souffs crowds went to shyte this year..

 

[T-Boon]

Well AFL have sold their nine games for $150mill a year more than we sold our eight.

When you consider we have the more watched game and origin it makes you wonder how much of that $150mill value difference is tied up in that extra game?

As you know they have a lot more ad space in their games as well. Thats why the NRL needs to seriously look at playing in quarters and also stoping the clock when the ball in out of play (prior to scrums and drop outs and find time for 30 second ads). These tweeks could add $50mill a year.

 

[taipan]

Look forward to the excuses in 2022 or whenever the next deal is arranged.

Back to expansion AFL expanded on less than $300mill revenue a year, NRL doesn't feel it has enough money on a $500mill revenue with cheaper expansion prospects.

Its why AFL will be "Australias Game" and NRL will keep worrying about how to keep two states afloat.

I'm sure you'll still be around whining for the next 6 years.Thankfully we can't hear you.

The NRL state they don't have enough money to cover the $100m pa for grassroots and the 130% on $10m salary cap.If you can find where they can cover two expansions sides at present, please contact the ARLC and the 16 NRL club chairmen.I'm sure they will be all ears.
For example the NRL funds education programs to the tune of $7m pa just a small example.$30m out in the form of loans and club purchases.
Both Soccer and union clubs struggling in WA.

Last I heard the NRL was played in 3 states,apparently Victoriania is unworthy of mention.Oh and the ACT.

" Australia's game" with clubs in debt to $94m,an expansion club losing money like a poke addict.The same code that made the great " expansion" into Wellington NZ ,and came out with tail between its legs.And I might add three Melbourne clubs facing deep financial issues.
So they rob Peter to pay Paul,to equalise.Socialism at its finest.

 

[taipan]

As you know they have a lot more ad space in their games as well. Thats why the NRL needs to seriously look at playing in quarters and also stoping the clock when the ball in out of play (prior to scrums and drop outs and find time for 30 second ads). These tweets could add $50mill a year.

You need to be drip fed more troll juice.I'd recommend quarterly doses, so you can see the ads in the hospital bed.

 

[Perth Red]

So whats your reason then for the $150M a year difference?

Go on the record...

NRL Ineptitude at getting the best deal mixed with an extra game mixed with capital city coverage and perception of being the bigger game.

As the countries leading tv audience winter sport that also has 3 massive rep games plus internationals that should compensate for AFL'S extra tv ad opportunities.

If youre an Australian fta tv channel would you rather have a code with two massive Perth teams or a NQ and Auckland team?

Murdoch getting the hump does not explain $150mill a year difference!

 

[Perth Red]

You have to take my whole arguments in context... not just replying to select posts...

In your opinion, would expansion to say Perth and Brisbane 12 months ago and an extra game a week have made up the $150 Million a year shortfall between the AFL and NRL Deal?

Not all of it but it could and should have made more than $25mill ish a year it would cost. Win win for NRL, expands its reach, grows the game and makes money.

Why tv doesn't see it, if in fact they wouldn't have been willing to pay it, is a more interesting question?

 

[Perth Red]

I'm sure you'll still be around whining for the next 6 years.Thankfully we can't hear you.

The NRL state they don't have enough money to cover the $100m pa for grassroots and the 130% on $10m salary cap.If you can find where they can cover two expansions sides at present, please contact the ARLC and the 16 NRL club chairmen.I'm sure they will be all ears.
For example the NRL funds education programs to the tune of $7m pa just a small example.$30m out in the form of loans and club purchases.
Both Soccer and union clubs struggling in WA.

Last I heard the NRL was played in 3 states,apparently Victoriania is unworthy of mention.Oh and the ACT.

" Australia's game" with clubs in debt to $94m,an expansion club losing money like a poke addict.The same code that made the great " expansion" into Wellington NZ ,and came out with tail between its legs.And I might add three Melbourne clubs facing deep financial issues.
So they rob Peter to pay Paul,to equalise.Socialism at its finest.

Maybe they could ask the afl for some tips? After all they delivered a far more costly expansion plan on less than $300mill revenue and still achieved those things your quoting the NRL is aiming for on $500mill.

 

[T-Boon]

NRL Ineptitude at getting the best deal mixed with an extra game mixed with capital city coverage and perception of being the bigger game.

As the countries leading tv audience winter sport that also has 3 massive rep games plus internationals that should compensate for AFL'S extra tv ad opportunities.

If youre an Australian fta tv channel would you rather have a code with two massive Perth teams or a NQ and Auckland team?

Murdoch getting the hump does not explain $150mill a year difference!

The other stated reason for Fox giving AFL heaps more (at least in 2012) was that there was a low Fox take up in Victoria, SA and WA compared to NSW and Qld. Fox wanted to grow down there so that pushed up their willingness to pay.

Essentially they used their profits from getting RL at bargain basement prices to pay AFL.

This is all the more reason I push for playing in quarters. It would shatter Fox as they would not get so much milage out of their "live and ad free" stuff as they would be showing almost as many ads as Nine.

 

[Pommy]

The other stated reason for Fox giving AFL heaps more (at least in 2012) was that there was a low Fox take up in Victoria, SA and WA compared to NSW and Qld. Fox wanted to grow down there so that pushed up their willingness to pay.

Essentially they used their profits from getting RL at bargain basement prices to pay AFL.

This is all the more reason I push for playing in quarters. It would shatter Fox as they would not get so much milage out of their "live and ad free" stuff as they would be showing almost as many ads as Nine.

Great that's a way to generate more money for the sport.....

 

[T-Boon]

Great that's a way to generate more money for the sport.....

Playing in quarters has made a fortune for almost every major sport (obviously soccer hasn't gone that route).
We should hurry up and beat Rugby to the punch with playing in quarters. It would be another thing to distinguish us from them.

 

[DiegoNT]

Step 1. Let's drastically alter our game. Let's take away one of the things the majority of our fans love, the endurance and toughness.

Step 2. Add in more ads

Step 3. Profit??

Quaters may make more time for ads, but i feel it would be the breaking point for many fans and you would lose them in droves.

So if there's time for more ads, but the ads are worth less cause less people are watching. Then it just defeats the purpose.

 

[Perth Red]

Might not be such a stupid idea but the value of moving to qtrs would be minimal in the grand scheme. According to this a 30sec ad is worth around $39k to ch9. Say you brought ina 2 minute qtr break that would be an extra $156k a game for ch9 or an extra $1.2mill a round. Not really big $'s when they are forking out $170mill a year already. Of the potential approx extra $28mill a year ad revenue how much do you think would flow to the NRL?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...s/news-story/e181b7d1998178f3b8274e3641cccfa5

 

[T-Boon]

Step 1. Let's drastically alter our game. Let's take away one of the things the majority of our fans love, the endurance and toughness.

Step 2. Add in more ads

Step 3. Profit??

Quaters may make more time for ads, but i feel it would be the breaking point for many fans and you would lose them in droves.

So if there's time for more ads, but the ads are worth less cause less people are watching. Then it just defeats the purpose.

The quarter time breaks would be like in NFL - about 4 minutes. Enough time for old timers to take a piss and grab another beer.
To counter that break you reduce interchange to 4. You also increase the actual game time by stoping the clock when the ball is out of play. So there is, overall, more fatigue and endurance. In addition I would also ban trainers running on the field. The coaches have to deliver their messages in person at quarter time on the field.

Channel nine would pay a small fortune.

 

[T-Boon]

According to this a 30sec ad is worth around $39k to ch9. Say you brought ina 2 minute qtr break that would be an extra $156k a game for ch9 or an extra $1.2mill a round. Not really big $'s when they are forking out $170mill a year already. Of the potential approx extra $28mill a year ad revenue how much do you think would flow to the NRL?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...s/news-story/e181b7d1998178f3b8274e3641cccfa5

I think each break would need to be 4 minutes to allow the coach time to coach his troops etc. Of that 3 minutes would be ads. So I think it is actually 6 minutes worth of extra ads. More like 3.7 mill per round. 80mill per year. Maybe $50mill to the NRL.

That easily covers a new team in Perth and Wellington.

 

[Perth Red]

Sorry my figures were out, even with three minute breaks it would only be $39kx12ads a game x 3 fta games a week x 26rounds ($36.5mill) plus $175k x 12ads x 3 games for SOO ($6.3mill) plus $175k x 12 ads formGF ($2.1mill) giving a total annual revenue increase for ch9 of around $50mill

Now it is doubtful,that you could run 6 ads in each qtr break and even if the NRL received 25% of this revenue increase is it worth disrupting the flow of the game so much for around $12.5mill a year? We give away nearlynthat much every year gifting Telstra the naming rights.

 

[Pommy]

Playing in quarters has made a fortune for almost every major sport (obviously soccer hasn't gone that route).
We should hurry up and beat Rugby to the punch with playing in quarters. It would be another thing to distinguish us from them.

But you want to get rid of the revenue from pay TV to make a sub standard product?

 

[taipan]

Maybe they could ask the afl for some tips? After all they delivered a far more costly expansion plan on less than $300mill revenue and still achieved those things your quoting the NRL is aiming for on $500mill.

No I'm asking you ,you're the expansion expert where the money comes from, clubs being closed or relocated.You tell us with the breakup of costs .
When they(AFL) expanded , their TV deal was greater then , than the NRLs, as it is now.
When the AFL expanded the economy was not facing the uncertainty it is now,They had their digital dept up and running.
The WA economy has now the highest unemployment in the country.The Force are struggling badly, and the A league club is marking time.

BY comparing what the AFL did years ago($300m less revenue) re expansion with X amount, bears no relation to the economy today using the same amount for comparison.It's comparing peanuts with macadamias.

You can compare the monies received by codes, but it is difficult to compare costs all up when the TV deals started badly for the NRL on two occasions, meaning catchup.

 

[taipan]

Sorry my figures were out, even with three minute breaks it would only be $39kx12ads a game x 3 fta games a week x 26rounds ($36.5mill) plus $175k x 12ads x 3 games for SOO ($6.3mill) plus $175k x 12 ads formGF ($2.1mill) giving a total annual revenue increase for ch9 of around $50mill

Now it is doubtful,that you could run 6 ads in each qtr break and even if the NRL received 25% of this revenue increase is it worth disrupting the flow of the game so much for around $12.5mill a year? We give away nearlynthat much every year gifting Telstra the naming rights.

Yes your hypothetical figures. No wonder the WA economy was badly managed.

We have armchair generals and armchair accountants.

 

[T-Boon]

But you want to get rid of the revenue from pay TV to make a sub standard product?

I don't want to get rid of Fox. At least not until the streaming stuff is up and running and we don't need them except on our term (like throw them a couple of games each round for an outrageous price).

I just want to ruffle their feathers by playing in quarters which would piss them off.