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f*ck off phil gould

TheRam

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Obviously,. like most supporters, my main concern is my own team and tbh I have always thought the Storm are scum I don't really care if they live or die, because Rugby League can and will survive without them. Just the same as it's coping without Gasnier, SBW, Hunt etc. Gould loves to kick Gallop when he's down, and I find that really annoying. Just as annoying as that ridiculous letter in yesterday's paper by the douche bag from Jaycar.


That statement says it all really.:crazy:
If we lose Slater, Inglis, Folau and Thurston and add to that Gasnier and Hunt, well besides the Morris brothers and Hayne, that is basically the entire Australian backline of the next 5-7 years. The most gifted and exiting athletes our game has produced in the last 10 years. Now sure we will find other players to replace them, but who is to say that they will be as good or how long it will be before we can replace them at all.

Short term and ultimately long term, it would be a spectator and TV disaster. How can you possibly think that losing the BEST STARS of our game is no big deal? :crazy:
 

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That statement says it all really.:crazy:
If we lose Slater, Inglis, Folau and Thurston and add to that Gasnier and Hunt, well besides the Morris brothers and Hayne, that is basically the entire Australian backline of the next 5-7 years. The most gifted and exiting athletes our game has produced in the last 10 years. Now sure we will find other players to replace them, but who is to say that they will be as good or how long it will be before we can replace them at all.

Short term and ultimately long term, it would be a spectator and TV disaster. How can you possibly think that losing the BEST STARS of our game is no big deal? :crazy:

Exactly what Gus would have said. The man who claims to have vision yet offers no solution other than spending more money to retain the players. Money that the code doesn't have.

No, no, no, no, no.
 

TheRam

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Think of it this way, how long has Lockyer been playing first grade and where is the next Australian 5/8th of his caliber coming from? The bloke is still playing there for his state and country not because he is still at the peak of his game, but because there is nobody else that even comes close.
 
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So Ram,

Point A) Yep nothing anyone can do about that now.

Point C) Yep we all know we need to pay our players more to stave off the vulchers from rah rah and indeed the Awful. Gods willing the IC and our next rights deal will help the NRL clubs in doing so.

But as David Gallop said, this is not a time to debate the cap. We all know it must rise, and I know that the NRL and many clubs are waiting until we are rid of News running our game and taking the profits from it.

But Point B) That is the one that really screws with me.

Now I do not doubt that the Melbourne Storm faithful will have their faith tested with this. I also believe that the teams beaten by the Melbourne Storm with have every right to feel cheated, BUT.

The 2004 premiership still sticks in my craw. The Bulldogs, systematicly defrauded and cheated the cap, to keep their side together or attract new players to replace those retiring, and then when they were caught they all took a pay cut to play together and in the end won a premiership.

In reality the fruits of their fraud were still eventually rewarded with their 8th premiership.

Now any solution that Gus or the Jaycar guy have come up with, miss this point.

If the players take a paycut, then they still are playing with an illeagly formed team.
Lets use Parramatta as an example for this, based on next yearr, We cheat the cap, sign everyone going on Megabucks, get caught early in the year, Indeed confess about round 7. Reduce the salarys of the players, because they want to stay together, play for points and win a premiership because we are playing with 6 million dollars worth of talent in the free market.

Personally, that premiership would be quite bitter in my mouth, and everyone else in the league would be in their right to feel cheated.

This side, the Melbourne Storm need to be disassembled. But until that can be done, completely we must persist.

Those Storm players have contracts, they must be either paid for, or out. If we rip the Storm apart now, 5 players or more are sitting on the side lines for the next 18 weeks.

Now the next plan that everyone will go to, is ban the entire side, and let every team that plays then have the bye. Indeed if you have a Melbourne Bye, you don't get two points for the bye because some teams play them twice, but you don't risk your players, and not costs involved for your except a possible earning loss.

Of course when we speak about sallary caps we speak about the TV rights deal and that is very important as the TV rights deal means that the NRL MUST provide 8 games a week for most rounds.

With a team having a Melbourne bye, there are only 7 games a week and the code would loss a portion of its TV revenue. So all clubs would be once again affected by this finacially, in a two fold manner.

So what is the option.

Gus's Option of let them all take Sallery cuts and then start from Zero, doesn't work because the side is still built illegally.

The Option of cutting players free so that the Storm can start from Zero, doesn't work because they will cut a heap of Mid range players, not their stars, not the ones that were paid over the odds, and those mid range blokes won't have any club to go to and will be forced to sit on the sidelines, waiting for a contract. Hell that solution will most probably further perpetuate the the "Player Drain" to England, or French Rugby.

The current option, keeps the players paid, keeps the Storm putting on a show. Keeps the 8 games, and ensure that the Storm won't reach the Semi's because of their cheating ways, and personally that is far more pallitable than any other option that Gus or anyone else has come up with. The Storm will still be playing. Indeed when John Hartigan was asked by the Players, what are they playing for, he said "Pride". The Storm has a chance to put on a show, all over the league world with what they have been given, a show that can attract punters to the game in Melbourne, indeed can attract punters to stadium through out the country, but they need to look at the posatives and not the negatives, which in my opinion, people like Gus have been.
 

TheRam

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Exactly what Gus would have said. The man who claims to have vision yet offers no solution other than spending more money to retain the players. Money that the code doesn't have.

No, no, no, no, no.

Then my I am in good company, you my friend are not.

He has offered many solutions, you are just blind to them or don't read his articles and then make uninformed comments like the other blind mice.
 

Gronk

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Then my I am in good company, you my friend are not.

He has offered many solutions, you are just blind to them or don't read his articles and then make uninformed comments like the other blind mice.

So what are they ? Where does the messiah plan to fund these changes ?

All he's offered so far is to scrap the cap or at best provide discounts for player developed by a club. Clearly both of these solutions will have an inflationary effect on player salaries with no regard to the long term viability of the existing 16 clubs. What a genius.
 

fish eel

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Gus often makes good points.

It's not his job to come up with solutions.

He is paid good money by both nine and fairfax to give his opinion. Nobody is interested in reading or listening to the views of a fence sitter.

His main problem is, when he gets a bee in his bonnett, he is overbearing and belligerant, and any good points he makes simply get lost in the wash.
 

Gronk

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Gus often makes good points.

It's not his job to come up with solutions.

He is paid good money by both nine and fairfax to give his opinion. Nobody is interested in reading or listening to the views of a fence sitter.

His main problem is, when he gets a bee in his bonnett, he is overbearing and belligerant, and any good points he makes simply get lost in the wash.

This is exactly why people tire of him. It's easy to be a head kicker and criticise each and every fault of the code and it's administration. You don't have to be smart to do that.

As Ben Franklin said “Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.”
 
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MITS, Gus is the most negitive rugby league jurno in the business.
He has a place in the game but he is mis-using it.
 

.-) Daneel

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So Ram,

But as David Gallop said, this is not a time to debate the cap. We all know it must rise, and I know that the NRL and many clubs are waiting until we are rid of News running our game and taking the profits from it.

You made some good points MITS. Re the above, i ask... when is the time for a salary cap debate? The issues surrounding our salary cap & administration have been raised year after year with our supremos, yet any sense or warning falls on deaf ears.
The NRL are no longer fit to run our game..... Im as frustrated as hell. Our game damn well deserves better, and Im growing tired of waiting.
 
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You made some good points MITS. Re the above, i ask... when is the time for a salary cap debate? The issues surrounding our salary cap & administration have been raised year after year with our supremos, yet any sense or warning falls on deaf ears.
The NRL are no longer fit to run our game..... Im as frustrated as hell. Our game damn well deserves better, and Im growing tired of waiting.

While the level of the cap is a contributing factor to the problem the Storm faced, the bigger problem is that they knew the rules and cheated. That is the issue.

I don't think David Gallop has ever argued that if we can fully fund a rise in the cap then we should raise it. He has said that we can't do it on the money the game currently gets.

Yes we all want the cap to rise, to keep over a hundred players who have left our game, but unless you are talking about another full on super league war and starting a rebel competition there is no way to squeeze more money out of the game from our biggest money spinner, TV rights.

The IC will be looking to make cost savings which can help the clubs fully fund their cap and indeed even raise it, but we need to wait for the big pay day, and until that day comes we need to keep proving the league is a great produce that rates well, is run well and is financially stable.
 

IFR33K

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This f**khead will not STFU. On the Sunday Footy Show, Phil Gould was asked if Falou signs with a rival code, will he pick him in the National side, if his form warranted it. Goulds responses was, why not, Falou hasn't turned his back on the NRL, if he sign with a rival code. It is the NRL that has turned its back on Falou. WTF??????????
 

The Engineers Room

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The momentum for a points cap is gaining, I just hope they pick the system that has the most transparency and compensation for club service and juniors.
 

Eels Dude

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You can sum up Gould's opinions in a few points

* The NRL need to do something about the salary cap
* The refs are bad
* David Gallop is evil
* He was right about something he predicted in the past
 

Stagger eel

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we as a club must be hated by Gould, we had the audacity to play the poor little pumpkins in a GF, we lose a player like Kingston to another club because we chose to follow the rules and we have 30 to 40 players that we've developed currently at other clubs because we've decided to do the right thing by the game.

we must be scum.
 

Craig Johnston

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gould summed up his place perfectly on the sunday roast...'it is not up to us to find the solution....it's up to them'.

it is gus's job though to bitch and moan about everything that's wrong. what a life
 

belmoreeel

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Gould should get back into coaching so he gets fined every time he goes off at someone in public that might shut him up
 

Runaround Man

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Rugby league is bigger than any player, any low down cheating team, any crazy self absorbed footy commentator.

Rugby league is primal and primitive and I love our game and each step in its evolution.

Can't wait for the Eels to take on the Storm.

It will be HUGE!!
 

Parra Guru

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I just wish he would stop frantically blinking when he is trying to make a point.

BTW did anyone watch the Footy show & roast and if so, can you tell me if there was an interview with Hindy which mentioned a banner being made for him?
 

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