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Farah calls on PM to crack down on Twitter abuse

Firey_Dragon

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Difference is if someone said it to Farah/anyone else in real life they would get the sh*t kicked out of them. Saying it on twitter from an anonymous account is the ultimate cowardness.
And then Farah would be the one being charged, not the twitterer.

If I was Farah I think I would have ignored it, by retweeting it or whatever he did he just brought more focus on it and brought his family into it, whereas if he ignored it it would have just been him who saw it.

On the plus side this blokes IP address might lead to him being publicly shamed, imagine him having to face his parents/employer after it. Would be unbelievable karma
Or the witch hunt could result in someone who didn't post it being named and shamed. That's the thing about IP addresses... At most ISP's they are not static, secondly, most connections have multiple users, and thirdly, there is no guarantee that the IP wasn't faked.
 

Penrose Warrior

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My whole life I was taught to ignore bullies, "sticks and stones". Wrong or right your not gonna change what I and many others were taught cause Robbie Farah said so.

Because it's nigh-on impossible to legislate in the school yard. It's a lot easier in the digital world.

Unfortunately the media will probably forget about it all now. Got a good day or two of stories from Farah, but now they'll find a new horse to flog. Too much work to follow through with it and get a result.
 

betcats

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Because it's nigh-on impossible to legislate in the school yard. It's a lot easier in the digital world.

Unfortunately the media will probably forget about it all now. Got a good day or two of stories from Farah, but now they'll find a new horse to flog. Too much work to follow through with it and get a result.

So we can tell little kids to ignore it in the school yard but we have to bring in the police to help out a grown man on the internet?
 

Frailty

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Because it's nigh-on impossible to legislate in the school yard. It's a lot easier in the digital world.

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard - and I used to live in Parramatta.

The schoolyard belongs in one jurisdiction, and is already 'policed' and supervised by a hierarchy. The 'digital world' is a quagmire of legal issues - most notably the role of jurisdiction. Twitter servers are not based in Australia, and the people who post may not be Australian, so I Australian law doesn't necessarily apply - not to mention that Crimes legislation is actually done on a state by state basis. But yes, ok, it is impossible to legislate in the school yard but easy in the digital world.

Unfortunately the media will probably forget about it all now. Got a good day or two of stories from Farah, but now they'll find a new horse to flog. Too much work to follow through with it and get a result.

Do you know why they will forget about it? Because the laws already f**king exist!
 

Hutty1986

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So we can tell little kids to ignore it in the school yard but we have to bring in the police to help out a grown man on the internet?

I'm with Farah on this but what you said reminds me of that scene in Step Brothers, where the kids beat up Brennan & Dale in the park.

"I got a belly full of white dog sh*t and you're laying this on me??"
 

Firey_Dragon

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Because it's nigh-on impossible to legislate in the school yard. It's a lot easier in the digital world.
Actually no, it's much, much harder. If it was easy, you'd have every person who downloads something illegally being charged with theft, or defamation being charged on a regular basis. An IP address is not proof, and the law does not see it in such a way. Not to mention different legal jurisdictions.

Unfortunately the media will probably forget about it all now. Got a good day or two of stories from Farah, but now they'll find a new horse to flog. Too much work to follow through with it and get a result.
The media should forget about it... All it does is give the scumbag who posted the message, a soapbox.
 

betcats

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I'm with Farah on this but what you said reminds me of that scene in Step Brothers, where the kids beat up Brennan & Dale in the park.

"I got a belly full of white dog sh*t and you're laying this on me??"


:lol::lol:

Quality, quality movie.
 

Hooch

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http://www.smh.com.au/technology/te...ged-to-combat-vile-trolls-20120910-25onp.html

A Twitter user or troll found to ''menace, harass or cause offence'' using the social networking medium could be jailed for up to three years.
A person can be prosecuted under this section if they use a ''carriage service'' - essentially, any communication device - to pressure another person, in a way that would be regarded by ''reasonable persons'' as being ''menacing, harassing, or offensive''.


That's current law apparently.


You could quite easily lock up half of LU. Which would probably be a net gain for society, but thats not the point.



Shut the f**k up Robbie, it's embarrassing.
 

Frailty

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http://www.smh.com.au/technology/te...ged-to-combat-vile-trolls-20120910-25onp.html




That's current law apparently.


You could quite easily lock up half of LU. Which would probably be a net gain for society, but thats not the point.



Shut the f**k up Robbie, it's embarrassing.

The case law associated with that legislation determines what constitutes "menace, harass or cause offence".

I've been saying for several pages now the legislation already exists so there is no point calling for new laws...

It's like calling for new laws for murder.
 

Penrose Warrior

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Do you know why they will forget about it? Because the laws already f**king exist!

No, that's not the reason. They'll forget about it because it will become a harder story to dig into from there, and the media are all about writing about something someone posted on Twitter then buggering off to the juicer earlier. No interest in something deeper that could potentially affect the public and the future.

And so shall we just go along with every law that exists? Not challenge anything? Doesn't sound like progress to me. Even someone like me who said the dumbest thing in history understands it is a changing world with laws that no longer truly apply in the current environment. The internet and the changing face of the way we do things necessitates new laws. The UK is light years ahead of Australia and therefore have been quicker to act.

Not 'shut the f*ck up Robbie'. Shut the f*ck up trolls. I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people want the right to talk shit themselves on here because they're the sort of dogs that would prefer to bark than bite. So play on.
 

betcats

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No, that's not the reason. They'll forget about it because it will become a harder story to dig into from there, and the media are all about writing about something someone posted on Twitter then buggering off to the juicer earlier. No interest in something deeper that could potentially affect the public and the future.

And so shall we just go along with every law that exists? Not challenge anything? Doesn't sound like progress to me. Even someone like me who said the dumbest thing in history understands it is a changing world with laws that no longer truly apply in the current environment. The internet and the changing face of the way we do things necessitates new laws. The UK is light years ahead of Australia and therefore have been quicker to act.

Not 'shut the f*ck up Robbie'. Shut the f*ck up trolls. I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people want the right to talk shit themselves on here because they're the sort of dogs that would prefer to bark than bite. So play on.

Broken Britain is not light years ahead of us.
 

kmav23

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the comments were wrong however

1) there is nothing illegal about the comment...

2)there is many things even worse on the internet even this forum !!!!
 

Fire

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Stuff White People Like

#101 - Being Offended

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White people also get excited at the opportunity to be offended at things that are sexist and/or homophobic. Both cases offering ample opportunities for lectures, complaints, graduate classes, lengthy discussions and workshops. All of which do an excellent job of raising awareness among white people who hope to change their status from “not racist” to “super not racist.”

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Source: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/
 

undertaker

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...le-twitter-abuse/story-fndo2j43-1226468559816

A REVIEW of laws to tackle Twitter trolls who anonymously post abuse has been called for after radio host Ray Hadley and NRL star Robbie Farah became the latest high-profile cyber victims. NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell and Police Minister Mike Gallacher yesterday contacted their federal counterparts, urging them to look at ways to punish those who write defamatory and hurtful comments on the micro-blogging site.
Hadley, who has never used Twitter or Facebook, said as long as servers were operated offshore, governments were powerless to compel Twitter to hand over information.

One user alleged Hadley was violent towards women. Although the radio host made a complaint to police and instructed his lawyers, he has not been able to track down the person making the "criminally defamatory allegations".

"The government has to look at some form of regulation," he said yesterday.



"Who is looking after the interests of the teenagers or the average people who are being attacked?

"I have to be careful what I say on air - newspapers have to pay someone to moderate their websites so we don't end up in court. Next time I want to have a go at someone, I'll do it on Twitter, not on air. Evidently, if it's on Twitter, no one can touch me."

Wests Tigers captain Farah has also contacted police over anonymous comments about his mother, who died in June.

"Whilst I'm all for banter on Twitter and people expressing their opinions, this was personal about my late mother who I am still grieving about," he said, reading from a prepared statement yesterday.

"As a rugby league player ... I know I will get positive and negative messages and I need to be accountable for the way I respond. However, the tweet I received last night clearly crossed the line and was personal abuse of the worst possible kind. Not only to myself, but to my family."

Mr O'Farrell said trolls should not be able to hide.

"Whether it happens to a showbiz personality, a footballer, whether it happens to someone down the street, we need to send the strongest possible message that it's simply not acceptable," he said.

"We are seeking a review of existing Commonwealth legislation to see what, between the Commonwealth and the states, we can do to close any loopholes that exist."

Mr Gallacher said police were dealing with out-of-date legislation and people who weren't willing to go to the police: "The only way to make this completely unacceptable behaviour stop is to start getting some of these miscreants out from behind their monitors and in front of a judge - but that's very difficult when we're dealing with increasingly outdated Commonwealth legislation." TV host Charlotte Dawson, who was bombarded with abusive and threatening messages following her outing of a Twitter troll, threw her support behind Farah. "Don't be afraid to speak out. No matter who you are," she said.
The Foxtel presenter posted a link to a statement by the NRL favourite, pushing back against "vile" comments made about his late mother last night, with Dawson adding: "Don't be afraid to speak out. No matter who you are."


Dawson has largely kept away from the social media site after being bombarded with abusive and threatening messages following her outing of a Twitter troll, who was subsequently suspended from her university mentoring job.

The Australia's Next Top Model judge was hospitalised in the wake of the attack, but is now recovering at home.
Her decision to appear on 60 Minutes while she awaited further medical treatment has further polarised opinion about the TV star, who remains defiant about taking her stand to stop online bullying.
Twitter founder lives high life

While authorities grapple with how to stop trolls attacking fellow tweeters, the founder of the micro-blog site is sitting pretty in his clifftop pad.

High above San Francisco Bay and boasting stunning views of the Golden Gate Bridge, the $10 million luxury house is the new plaything for tycoon Jack Dorsey, 35.
The house, in the city's Seacliff neighbourhood, only has two bedrooms - but the main attraction is a pyramid-shaped skylight, opening up the living room to the elements and one of the most famous views in the world.

Mr Dorsey founded Twitter in 2006 with business partners Biz Stone, Evan Williams and Noah Glass. He was Twitter's founding CEO and is its current executive chairman.
 

undertaker

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I 100% agree with the following comments from that link:

Putting yourself and your details out there , posting to people you've never met , and you're asking for it. To me its like leaving your front door open to welcome in the nutters , cowards and the cruel.
I agree this is disgusting but is the Premier going to get involved in every case of 'trolling'. Bet if it was a member of the public who had been attacked like this O'Farrell would not be so interested. He is a joke and just trying to get some free publicity in an attempt to improve his horrible image.
High profile celebritys matter obviously the little people dont. As who has the connections to tweet the premier? Frankly the comment was completely unacceptable and wrong but why is Robbie Farrah copping abuse or Charlotte Dawson from internet trolls more important than the suicudes of countless teens from cyber bullying. Why does it require a celebrity to get politicians moving state or federally to make changes to internet laws? It just goes to show the little fish dont count in the pond. This should have been addressed years ago by politicians.
Sorry this maybe distrubing and wrong. But high profile people that use this type of media. Will be a target. You can bring in laws but it will not stop people from doing this. The only way to stop this do not be on it. This is a electronic version of hate mail, where people everywhere can see it. If it was send in the mail, it was either destroyed or handed to police and it was not public knowledge unless it was released by police or receiver let it be released. With people becoming more tech savvie, there will be ways to defeat any law or hurdles. Twitter / Facebook are only mediums for putting yourself out there. If you do not want to be a target get off the these sites.
Okay...so Farah can post all of the vile comments that *he* likes, (case in point, the examples above), but no-one can put forward an opinion on Farah? Call the waaaaaambulance...quick! Cry baby.

I find it interesting that Robbie threatens someone with physical violence, and this is then condoned by the Premier, who, in all reality, has a job to not do. Bullys & the big-boys who push people around really deserve no respect, and no special treatment. I have little doubt that with his size, Robbie would feel free to say anything he wanted, and very few would stand up to him, particularly if he was with his team-mates. They pushed the smaller people onto the internet, and now Robiie and his mates come onto that turf, and expect to continue to play by their rules? Fat chance. For all people who think I am talking out of my rear, I would like to point out that Robbie stated he would like to "rip your face off"... Sound like a bullie's response to me.
 

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