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Finals Week 2 vs Souths

redandwhite4evr

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I know Aitken and Flo would love to be selected but I will be surprised if they are fit enough to be selected.

On form Lomax and Pereira deserve to be picked.

Lawrie and Luc are looking good.

Would have Sele on the bench. He is potentially just as good as Lawrie and Luc. Just needs consistent game time to make the grade. Has a good offload and will be raring to go to prove he is NRL standard.

I have a feeling we will hold them in the forwards.

Hunt and Mann will need to be at their best.

We have nothing to lose, and everything to game.

Fire up the boys Sir James !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Brisbane were soft up the middle and on the left edge when Sims scored his ridiculously easy tries. If Alex Glenn and, in particular, Matt Gillett had been playing, I doubt whether those tries would have been scored. One thing we know for sure- Souths aren't going to be that easy to score against. Mary will probably play a needled up De Belin rather than bring in a fit Sele to play lock- he's really got no option due to his stubborn refusal to give ISP players decent minutes in the past. Sele however, was probably our best forward in the semifinal ISP win over Newtown the week before last and so Mary's dicing with death as usual. He may be tempted to play NIghtingale off the bench, not just as the spare back but as middle back up in case the De Belin gamble goes horribly wrong.
It's never boring following this club!
 

sco22

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Did you see Sammy Burgess saying if Simms what to pick on his brothers . He will take him on in the car park.
Mate I showed Simms the artical today and his eyes started spinning.
This will be great.
Can not wait.
Jimmy is all good.
Jack will have till kick off.
So all good
Thanks Sammy
 

epDragon62

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If we can put on another performance like last Sunday against the Broncos, we will most certainly beat Souths on Saturday. Souths have an extra day to prepare however, if the Dragons are on song there will be no stopping them.
Brave words but it won’t be easy to overcome Souffs, especially without Widdop.
 

Overseas dragon

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as its a must win i think the bench should include jai field .i can see him causing some damage if mary uses him at the right time that is if hes including a back as he normally does .just as happy with 4 forwards .sorry jason and euan boys have a rest ...
 

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Matt Dufty ready to emulate hero Slater
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Childhood hero: Billy Slater. Picture: AAP Image/David Crosling.

Growing up idolising Billy Slater, Matt Dufty always watches the Melbourne Storm closely.

But with a potential clash with Melbourne or South Sydney in the Dragons finals path, Dufty had extra reason to watch the retiring star.

For Dufty, Slater’s performance could help him prepare for Saturday’s match with the Rabbitohs.

”I’ve grown up watching Billy,” Dufty said. “When I was younger, I used to get clips and see what Billy did. His competitiveness and he’s always around the ball.

“That’s how I try to play my footy, be energetic and be everywhere. If I can continue to bring energy to the field and be there at the right times, I can help the team.”

With Dragons five-eighth Gareth Widdop ruled out of Saturday’s clash after dislocating his shoulder, Dufty recognises he must play an even greater role in the team’s attack on Saturday.

“I have to get my hands on the ball more, but I’m confident whoever comes into that five-eighth spot will do a good job.”

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5639294/fullback-eager-to-emulate-slater/?cs=2375
 

SEAT 1A

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I think Lomax’s footwork could give Inglis problems, lateral movement is not old Greg’s strength these days.

I really hope Mann shines and shows what he can do.

Good point BGB.

I said no changes however, Euan's defence against Lomax's kicking. What to do?
 

Lovemedragons

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I know Aitken and Flo would love to be selected but I will be surprised if they are fit enough to be selected.

On form Lomax and Pereira deserve to be picked.

Lawrie and Luc are looking good.

Would have Sele on the bench. He is potentially just as good as Lawrie and Luc. Just needs consistent game time to make the grade. Has a good offload and will be raring to go to prove he is NRL standard.

I have a feeling we will hold them in the forwards.

Hunt and Mann will need to be at their best.

We have nothing to lose, and everything to game.

Fire up the boys Sir James !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have to dominate their forwards, just repeat what they did on Sunday and we are in it with a big show.
 

BLM01

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Im just scared Mary will bring in Aitken in the team and kick out Lomax or use Nightingale on the bench to be another back up forward or back.

Option 1..I would be happy for Aitken to act and be a bench forward to hang round the ruck / edges taking the ball up to tiring forwards / backs in short stints as he runs like one.
His defence might be better in the middle around other good defenders with less critical decisions to make. If injury happens he goes back out to the centre.
So they only change I would make to Mary's starting 17 would be Aitken for Sele if this option taken.

Option 2...Field I thought about... but his defence is not good enough when the whips are cracking,...and the Bunnies will test us out everywhere and all the time when they have got the ball....but if Mann or Hunt get injured..we are stuffed. McInnes injured Hunt to 9 or Dufty...Field to f/back

Option 3...
Gypsy instead of Aitken on the bench......very last resort IMO as he does add valuable finals experience (from a while ago now) and a short stint only, he can settle the team down if we are in a position to win it and close it out.

I dont know..I actually think we need a back up hooker / half in case of McInnes or halves getting injured as a priority

If I was coach this week...Option 2 for me...got go for points as we will need it to beat them and will need to defend well and just prey like hell our 1,6,7 & 9 dont get injured early.
 
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Sims, Graham, Friz and co just need to get into the Burgess boys early. They are prone to errors when challenged and can have the odd brain explosion.

We did it perfectly against Brisbane. Sims, Graham and Friz just took it to their young forwards early and they never recovered.

Was the perfect ambush.
If you give it to Sam and show we aren't backing down the twins often try to overplay their strengths and become bumble fingers as they try to be strong rather than effective.
Plenty of games where the have had dropsy and bad play the balls and if they do that on Saturday then we have a good chance to put the Bunnies right off their game.
Good controlled aggression but don't get drawn into Souths game plan of testing the refs patience.
Not giving cheap penalties away is a must.
 
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If you give it to Sam and show we aren't backing down the twins often try to overplay their strengths and become bumble fingers as they try to be strong rather than effective.
Plenty of games where the have had dropsy and bad play the balls and if they do that on Saturday then we have a good chance to put the Bunnies right off their game.
Good controlled aggression but don't get drawn into Souths game plan of testing the refs patience.
Not giving cheap penalties away is a must.
Still think a lot will revolve around cook too his speed out of dummy half needs to be nullified as well
 

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DRAGONS


McGregor forced to reshuffle his pack of aces
Author
Brad Walter Senior Reporter
Timestamp
Tue 11 Sep 2018, 06:03 PM

St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor rates Jack de Belin, Tyson Frizell and Tariq Sims as the best back row in the NRL but the loss of captain Gareth Widdop may restrict how long he can play the trio in their preferred positions in Saturday night’s semi-final against South Sydney at ANZ Stadium.

De Belin, Frizell and Sims were at their destructive best as the Dragons rediscovered the form which took them to the top of the Telstra Premiership until round 16 to stun Brisbane 48-18 on Sunday but they lost Widdop after the English five-eighth again dislocated his shoulder.

Kurt Mann will partner Ben Hunt in the halves against the Rabbitohs and while he did an impressive job deputising for Widdop during the three games he missed after initially injuring his shoulder against Parramatta, Mann’s promotion leaves McGregor with one less middle forward on the bench.

After losing NSW prop Paul Vaughan in round 21, Frizell has been playing longer minutes as a middle forward and he started in the front row against Wests Tigers and Canterbury, with Sims switching from the left edge to the right to accommodate Luciano Leilua.

A series of niggling injuries which left de Belin requiring painkilling needles for more than half the season also restricted the playing time for the NSW lock.

However, in the past two matches McGregor has started with Leeson Ah Mau in the front row so he could revert to the backrow combination which had been so effective for St George Illawarra, and Sims scored a first hat-trick in a devastating performance against the Broncos last Sunday.

De Belin racing clock

“Mary is a coach who a lot of players love playing for and want to play for so if he says ‘jump’, we say ‘how high’, and he spoke to us about what was best for the team,” Sims said.

“We had a few personnel changes and what was needed for the team was for us to change those positions and fill that gap so we could get some blokes through whatever niggles they had to be able to get back to that original roster.”

The loss of Widdop, who is expected to undergo season-ending surgery, and an ankle injury sustained by de Belin in the round 25 win over Newcastle is likely to mean Frizell will again play a lengthy spell in the middle against Souths.

Leilua was one of four forwards named on the interchange, along with Jeremey Latimore, Blake Lawrie and Hame Sele but McGregor is likely to include Jason Nightingale (elbow) if he is fit as the veteran winger has spent time in the middle this season.

If not, McGregor would be expected to want some cover for an injury in the backline, particularly if he decides to start with Euan Aitken (hamstring) or Nightingale after lay-offs with injury.

De Belin and prop James Graham (concussion) also have to prove their fitness after failing to finish the match against the Broncos.

“The way that Blake Lawrie stepped up at Suncorp Stadium against a very fearsome Broncos pack, for a young bloke to know that we are down to one player on the bench and to perform the way that he did that gives him a lot of confidence.

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“Blocker hasn’t played big minutes before in NRL so for him to come out and knock out close to 40 minutes and play the way he did, with no fear at all, as an older bloke in the team that really made me proud.”

Sims also praised Latimore, who played 46 minutes against Brisbane last Sunday, for his influence on the young forwards.

“He is a bit of a journeyman and statistics-wise he is not going to break any records but it is the things that man does for the team that aren’t recorded on the stats that impresses our team and our team-mates,” Sims said.

“In the 75th minute, they made a break and Jeremy Latimore was there and that shows what sort of attitude he has, and young blokes look up to that and see what is expected of a team-mate.”



https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2018/09/12/mcgregor-forced-to-reshuffle-his-pack-of-aces/
 

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The day my Saints and Souths’ sinners finally crossed the line
Last time St George met South Sydney in the finals, it was marred by a stink so brutal it sparked a change in attitudes towards on-field violence. Roy Masters, who was coach of the Dragons, remembers events at the SCG.
Roy Masters12 September 2018 — 1:00am
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The last time the Dragons and Rabbitohs met in a semi-final was 1984, the year of the title of George Orwell's political masterpiece.

The most famous quote from the book is "Big Brother is watching you". A big TV screen had been installed at the circular SCG, not so much to capture the illegalities but to provide fans with close-ups of the action. As it transpired, the season's biggest crowd was given plenty of both on that September 1984 day.

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Tough as nails: South Sydney marked the second scrum of their 1984 semi-final against St George down as as the moment to unleash hell. St George used their skill to delay the inevitable onslaught.

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A further link to Orwell was that a politician told us of Souths' plans to ignite a brawl in the second scrum of the match. The previous evening, then senator Graham Richardson, a lifelong Dragons supporter, had been to a political function at Souths' leagues club.

He learnt that the Rabbitohs' monster pack, consisting of the wild-eyed Rampling Brothers, the passionate Mario Fenech, tough David Boyle and the most lethal brawler in the code, Les Davidson, were instructed to begin a brawl in the second scrum.

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Biffing Bunnies: Referee Barry Barnes had his hands full.

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It wasn't unusual, given that a fight in the opening scrum sends a clear message to the referee that it was premeditated. Nor was the plan surprising, given that only our captain, Craig Young, and lock Graeme O'Grady could match their forwards for experience in these matters.

Richo passed on the espionage to me, as the coach of the Dragons, and I relayed it to the players with our own counter tactic.

"Why do you have scrums?" I asked, in the typical schoolteacher instructional methods of the day. When the ball goes into touch and when players drop the ball.

"Well, don't kick for the sideline and don't drop the ball. If Souths drop it, pounce on it, rather than allow them to regather. If the second scrum is not packed until well into the first half, Souths' monsters will be too tired to put their hands up!"

Suddenly, the pasty faces of the Dragons backs turned a confident pink and it was clear our completion rate (an unknown term back then) was going to be 100 per cent, with self-preservation being the main driver.

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Punching on: And on, and on, and on.

Photo: Peter Morris
Well, the second scrum came quicker than anticipated, and the brawl spread from one side of the field to the other and back again. It seemed to last an eternity. When play restarted and Brian Johnston was savaged in a tackle, his co-centre, Mick Beattie, came in to assist. The brawl reignited with players fighting in pairs, trios and wrestling pockets, spilling over the sideline.

The Dragons had been told to grab an opponent's jumper and keep him out of two-on-one contests. Steve "Bubba" Gearin, our goalkicking winger, may have ignored this instruction. We later joked that the peace-loving Bubba had slipped into the hole made by the black and white cardboard corner post.

O'Grady recalls: "One Souths bloke was getting into "Slippery" [Steve Morris], who was holding his own. But Mario king-hit Slippery from behind. I grabbed Mario by the jumper and as he backed off, the jumper slid up over his head and I kept swinging them."

The brawl lasted a long time and the crowd began booing. My initial thought was their anger was directed at the three-on-one attacks.

John Fleming, the Dragons chief executive, was quoted in the Herald saying, "What happened with three players onto one was thuggery."

Souths led 6-4 at half-time but the Dragons' superior backline settled down and scored 18 points in 14 minutes, winning 24-6.

Johnston, now the St George Illawarra chairman, says, "The game was memorable to me for three reasons. Firstly, the warm-up period lasted until half-time. Secondly, the 1984 team was the most complete and balanced side I ever played in; and thirdly, despite the ferocity and emotion, we were able to recover and score some of the best long-range tries you'll see."

The crowd booing worried me and, later, in the dressing room, I speculated that perhaps there is a point where the violence can go too far and sicken the spectators.

"That's the end of the catharthis theory," I pontificated, rejecting the writings of the bow-tied academics who say people go to the football to sublimate their own aggression, letting the players release it on their behalf.



Flashback
Match report of the brutal St George, Souths finals game in 1984
One of my players said, "Don't be f---ing silly. The mob was booing because the SCG officials turned off the big screen."

The fans wanted two views of the action. The one on the field and the close-ups via the cathode rays of the giant TV screen.

I recall leaving the SCG on the day which had witnessed the last big brawl in rugby league, certainly during semi-finals, thinking the world had been turned upside down and that I shouldn't speculate on mass emotion.

Orwell was right: "War is peace, ignorance is strength ... "



https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/th...finally-crossed-the-line-20180911-p5035m.html


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