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Financial fragility of the game

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Hopefully yes. Will be very interesting to see the comparison between the two competitions with regards to how the broadcasters treat them.

the AFL product is going to be seriously affected without crowds, given how much it adds to their game from an atmosphere perspective, and how it looks with a lot of camera zooming out for general play kicks.

NRL deals with low crowds frequently, and with much of the focus being close-up around the ruck, it isn't really as noticeable until last tackle general play kicks are made (camera zoom out to empty seats) and tries are scored (no cheering).
 

Perth Red

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I think that reality is TV stations won't have as much ad revenue available to them.

be interesting to know how much they are losing. Considering most ads are for, food, betting, drink, Bunnings etc and we are still spending as usual on these things I wonder how big the drop off really is?
 

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I don't think the crowd thing is going to be an issue for ratings, given that there will have been no live sport at all for 8 weeks+, and games were already being played in front of empty stadiums.

I think that reality is TV stations won't have as much ad revenue available to them.

there will be interest initially as there always after an off-season. it could die off quick, particularly if many restrictions are eased yet crowds still aren't allowed to congregate

broadcasters attempt to turn all games into events these days. it becomes difficult with little atmosphere at venues. looks as good as a NSW Cup game from a drawcard perspective.
 

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The NRL needs to permantly punt 75 per cent of the staff Greenburgler brought in over his reign. Cut it back to a reasonable number. Massive restructure needed to clean up Todd's largesse.

What staff would that be you’d cut?
The 400 number the media spun out as some sign of corporate overspending was all nrl employees so that includes DO’s, state league staff, refs etc. they then tried to liken it to EPL with its 120 staff but in reality is more accurately compared to epl and the FA combined given nrl also manages grass roots. When you do that the nrl’s 400 staff doesn’t seem so excessive against the epl/fa’s 1200 staff!
 

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players looking more like entitled merkins by the minute.

just like last week where V'landys wanted to sort out the broadcasters by the end of business Friday, he needs to sort this shit out ASAP. it continues to make the game look very bad. a lot of Aussies have reduced incomes at the moment and the sport isn't endearing itself to these folks.

admire the setting of a date as a goal, but communicating it publicly without having any details sorted is making the game look extremely amateurish. Greenburg's been gone over a week. He can't be blamed for the continuing fiasco of project apollo
 

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players looking more like entitled merkins by the minute.

just like last week where V'landys wanted to sort out the broadcasters by the end of business Friday, he needs to sort this shit out ASAP. it continues to make the game look very bad. a lot of Aussies have reduced incomes at the moment and the sport isn't endearing itself to these folks.

admire the setting of a date as a goal, but communicating it publicly without having any details sorted is making the game look extremely amateurish. Greenburg's been gone over a week. He can't be blamed for the continuing fiasco of project apollo
Players looking entitled and the NRL f**ked up by setting a date without details sorted?
You’re falling for the media’s spin.
All of this week’s ‘news’ was stuff that had been discussed previously and awaiting sign off.
 

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Players looking entitled and the NRL f**ked up by setting a date without details sorted?
You’re falling for the media’s spin.
All of this week’s ‘news’ was stuff that had been discussed previously and awaiting sign off.


Absolutely. Set a date first. Rest (players) fall into line.
 

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Nine targets NRL's digital arm as part of revised broadcast deal
Michael Chammas
May 2, 2020 — 12.01am


Nine Entertainment Co has expressed interest in taking over the NRL’s digital arm as part of cost-cutting measures in a revised broadcast deal.

Sources close to the negotiations say Nine’s proposal for an extended deal until the end of 2025 includes the code’s digital arm, led by NRL.com, which the free-to-air network believes currently runs in direct competition with its two broadcast partners.

Nine, which is the publisher of this masthead, has proposed it takes over the NRL’s profitable digital network, which was recently valued at $50m and costs about $15m a year to run, including $10m to provide clubs with digital services.

Nine and Foxtel have been at loggerheads with the NRL for three years, arguing that their rights investments have been used to prop up a digital division that would in the future be pitted against them in a battle over broadcast deals.

The proposal nullifies the potential competition, but also gives Nine access to the NRL’s 1.6 million account holders and the largest social media footprint (5 million people) of any sport in the country.

The proposal also fits in with Nine chief executive Hugh Marks’s aim of redirecting funds away from head office back to the clubs.

In a statement earlier this month, Nine criticised the NRL for its "bloated head office" and "years of mismanagement" and now the company has asked ARLC chairman Peter V’landys to provide a breakdown of how he intends to significantly reduce costs at Rugby League Central. That breakdown has not yet been outlined.

The NRL’s 70-person strong digital department is one area Nine has targeted. It believes it can operate the websites and apps of the 16 clubs, the two states and the governing body under a more cost-efficient model, while also providing content through its Wide World of Sports production empire.


Nine, through rights and production costs, invests about $140m a year in rugby league, which is the equivalent of what it spends on all its news, current affair and breakfast shows across five major cities. It is now wondering if that money could be better spent elsewhere to ensure its own long-term viability.

Marks has put the argument to V’landys that if the broadcast deal is not significantly reduced, the network will not be in a position to bid for future rugby league rights.

As it stands, the NRL is facing losing at least $80m of the $330m in anticipated broadcast revenue from Foxtel and Nine in 2020.

Both broadcasters, using the current state of affairs around the coronavirus pandemic as leverage, want to renegotiate the deal.
NRL 2020
Foxtel seeks multimillion-dollar discount for resumed NRL season
Nine, which had pledged $575m to the NRL for a five-year broadcast deal that expires in 2022, will also spend about $125m in production costs over the same period. It says that model is no longer sustainable and is seeking a significant reduction in the deal.

Foxtel had been pleading with the NRL for weeks to ensure it gets as many of the 24 rounds to provide its dwindling pay television subscribers, but on Thursday the pay TV network had a change of heart in regards to how much it was willing to pay.

Foxtel now agrees with Nine that the product is severely diminished without a crowd and is of lesser value in a weak advertising market.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ni...-broadcast-deal-20200501-p54p5f.html#comments

There is no way in hell the NRL should allow this .We all now see 9's true want and that is to get rid of the NRL's digital capability. That would be an absolute disaster for the code as the digital arm provides insurance against low ball rights offers and also in case one or both Fox or 9 fall over or are unable to pay for their access to games.

This nonsense from 9 about investing in games is just laughable. The production costs are just that a cost that is factored in to each deal and to call this cost an "investment" is something a political spin doctor would be proud of.

Considering how poorly 9 televise games their running of the NRL website would be an absolute disaster akin to letting the AFL run the marketing department of the NRL.

The one and only reason that Marks is sprouting this nonsense about supporting clubs over the ARLC is a divide and conquer policy. The last thing 9 want is the ARLC and clubs supporting each other.

If 9 don't want the rights to show the most watched sport on Australian TV I for one would be over the moon. Two teenagers running up and down the sidelines recording the game on their iphones and commenting as they ran would be a step up from the dribble that is the 9 coverage of Rugby League games.
 

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of course the product has less value without crowds.

digital rights is interesting. it's not a core business for the NRL, it seems to be struggling to get a handle on it. but in no way should it let a broadcaster that is already a stakeholder have any control over it.
 

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NRL f**king clueless if they sell it to nine. Remember when Telstra ran and operated if , was pathetic . Now you can actually access proper articles via nrl website not like the clickbait we see with DT and SMH.
a few reasons why they need to keep it
- can be the vehicle to overseas markets such as the states which our partners have not given a f**k ( you would think news limited would have made use of fox in states to grow game )
- the manner both fox and nine trying to screw them on this years fees , you would want a plan b to bump up your revenues .
- the clubs are even worse at spending than Nrl,
- cbs/10 will be in a great position to challenge for the rights along with amazon / google etc. next deal

‘you don’t see the AFL broadcast partners try to take advantage of the, and bone them

boycott channel nine
 

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From the above, sourced article:

"Nine, through rights and production costs, invests about $140m a year in rugby league, which is the equivalent of what it spends on all its news, current affair and breakfast shows across five major cities. It is now wondering if that money could be better spent elsewhere to ensure its own long-term viability."

Wonder away dickheads, maybe a 24 week season of Lego Master wants a Root will get better ratings than league.

If you don't like it f**k off.
 

Heisenberg

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Pretty shameless from Nine. Hammering NRL for weeks accusing them of financial mismanagement and having no assets, to now saying they’ve invested (their) money in a product that is now a huge threat To Nine’s business and it is worth $50m.

ARLC needs to double down and keep investing and not sell. This is Roy Masters 5 months ago...has NRL.com looking at ‘just under $1B’ value in a few years. Obviously that may have changed but seriously..
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/1b...ly-sale-would-be-foolish-20191107-p538bz.html
 

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Nine targets NRL's digital arm as part of revised broadcast deal
Michael Chammas
May 2, 2020 — 12.01am


Nine Entertainment Co has expressed interest in taking over the NRL’s digital arm as part of cost-cutting measures in a revised broadcast deal.

Sources close to the negotiations say Nine’s proposal for an extended deal until the end of 2025 includes the code’s digital arm, led by NRL.com, which the free-to-air network believes currently runs in direct competition with its two broadcast partners.

Nine, which is the publisher of this masthead, has proposed it takes over the NRL’s profitable digital network, which was recently valued at $50m and costs about $15m a year to run, including $10m to provide clubs with digital services.

Nine and Foxtel have been at loggerheads with the NRL for three years, arguing that their rights investments have been used to prop up a digital division that would in the future be pitted against them in a battle over broadcast deals.

The proposal nullifies the potential competition, but also gives Nine access to the NRL’s 1.6 million account holders and the largest social media footprint (5 million people) of any sport in the country.

The proposal also fits in with Nine chief executive Hugh Marks’s aim of redirecting funds away from head office back to the clubs.

In a statement earlier this month, Nine criticised the NRL for its "bloated head office" and "years of mismanagement" and now the company has asked ARLC chairman Peter V’landys to provide a breakdown of how he intends to significantly reduce costs at Rugby League Central. That breakdown has not yet been outlined.

The NRL’s 70-person strong digital department is one area Nine has targeted. It believes it can operate the websites and apps of the 16 clubs, the two states and the governing body under a more cost-efficient model, while also providing content through its Wide World of Sports production empire.


Nine, through rights and production costs, invests about $140m a year in rugby league, which is the equivalent of what it spends on all its news, current affair and breakfast shows across five major cities. It is now wondering if that money could be better spent elsewhere to ensure its own long-term viability.

Marks has put the argument to V’landys that if the broadcast deal is not significantly reduced, the network will not be in a position to bid for future rugby league rights.

As it stands, the NRL is facing losing at least $80m of the $330m in anticipated broadcast revenue from Foxtel and Nine in 2020.

Both broadcasters, using the current state of affairs around the coronavirus pandemic as leverage, want to renegotiate the deal.
NRL 2020
Foxtel seeks multimillion-dollar discount for resumed NRL season
Nine, which had pledged $575m to the NRL for a five-year broadcast deal that expires in 2022, will also spend about $125m in production costs over the same period. It says that model is no longer sustainable and is seeking a significant reduction in the deal.

Foxtel had been pleading with the NRL for weeks to ensure it gets as many of the 24 rounds to provide its dwindling pay television subscribers, but on Thursday the pay TV network had a change of heart in regards to how much it was willing to pay.

Foxtel now agrees with Nine that the product is severely diminished without a crowd and is of lesser value in a weak advertising market.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ni...-broadcast-deal-20200501-p54p5f.html#comments

There is no way in hell the NRL should allow this .We all now see 9's true want and that is to get rid of the NRL's digital capability. That would be an absolute disaster for the code as the digital arm provides insurance against low ball rights offers and also in case one or both Fox or 9 fall over or are unable to pay for their access to games.

This nonsense from 9 about investing in games is just laughable. The production costs are just that a cost that is factored in to each deal and to call this cost an "investment" is something a political spin doctor would be proud of.

Considering how poorly 9 televise games their running of the NRL website would be an absolute disaster akin to letting the AFL run the marketing department of the NRL.

The one and only reason that Marks is sprouting this nonsense about supporting clubs over the ARLC is a divide and conquer policy. The last thing 9 want is the ARLC and clubs supporting each other.

If 9 don't want the rights to show the most watched sport on Australian TV I for one would be over the moon. Two teenagers running up and down the sidelines recording the game on their iphones and commenting as they ran would be a step up from the dribble that is the 9 coverage of Rugby League games.

$15mill a year to run, brings in $27mill a year! F*** off Ch9 should be the short answer to their proposal!

“In a statement earlier this month, Nine criticised the NRL for its "bloated head office" and "years of mismanagement" and now the company has asked ARLC chairman Peter V’landys to provide a breakdown of how he intends to significantly reduce costs at Rugby League Central. That breakdown has not yet been outlined.”

Oh and “ps Ch9 f*** off it’s none of your business“ should be at the bottom of the email!
 
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