FO Kearney

[Penrose Warrior]

Week 1 v a team that will be in the bottom 3....great performance and guys look fit/sharp but I'll be waiting a few weeks/months until making any sort of summary on where we might be.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Well from the outset of his appointment, he said the process would be three years. This is his third year, he HAS to deliver on his word and so far so good. A grand final is what he meant. He didn't say that but what else could be the aim of the 'process'. I'd cut him some slack if we made it to this years major semi final. Top 8 wont do nothing for Kearney because thats not what he meant when he was talking about his process.

Agree, that’s why I said “make the finals and go ok”. Which I’d characterise at making the semifinals (week two) minimum, preferably week 3 or the GF.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Well from the outset of his appointment, he said the process would be three years. This is his third year, he HAS to deliver on his word and so far so good. A grand final is what he meant. He didn't say that but what else could be the aim of the 'process'. I'd cut him some slack if we made it to this years major semi final. Top 8 wont do nothing for Kearney because thats not what he meant when he was talking about his process.

How do you measure the 3 years? As by the start of pre season in November 2019 he has had his 3 years in charge.
He is at 2 years 4 months.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Agree, that’s why I said “make the finals and go ok”. Which I’d characterise at making the semifinals (week two) minimum, preferably week 3 or the GF.

Oh ok, I thought you meant finals like top 8. Top 8 is good but its not very ambitious from Kearney if thats what his process was all about. That to me would suck.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

How do you measure the 3 years? As by the start of pre season in November 2019 he has had his 3 years in charge.
He is at 2 years 4 months.

I think it’s pretty obvious he meant judge him after this season.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

How do you measure the 3 years? As by the start of pre season in November 2019 he has had his 3 years in charge.
He is at 2 years 4 months.

No this is his third year, at the end that is. We all know what he said/promised. HE said it, NOT me. Lets be clear about that.

 

[sup42]

No this is his third year, at the end that is. We all know what he said/promised. HE said it, NOT me. Lets be clear about that.

Yeah but you're saying GF if I read that right.

No coach promises a club or its fans a GF.

He wont be counting chickens, he'll be dreaming privately to himself and aiming to make the Warriors the best of sixteen teams, plenty of times that doesnt guarantee a GF, anyone including the Reffs can rob that from u.

After his experience at the Eels I doubt SK will be making promises on positions other than being the best or very close to and hoping on a bit of luck with injury and the bounce of a spheroid ball.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Yeah but you're saying GF if I read that right.

No coach promises a club or its fans a GF.

He wont be counting chickens, he'll be dreaming privately to himself and aiming to make the Warriors the best of sixteen teams, plenty of times that doesnt guarantee a GF, anyone including the Reffs can rob that from u.

After his experience at the Eels I doubt SK will be making promises on positions other than being the best or very close to and hoping on a bit of luck with injury and the bounce of a spheroid ball.

We can speculate what he means but if the aim of his process was to make the top 8 then thats not very ambitious. Thats not setting the bar high at all. I think if we ask Kearney what the aim of his process was it would be to win the f**kin thing, he'd probably say to me 'oh no doubt thats my aim of my process'.

Anyway what I'm saying all ties back to what we were talking about earlier and thats what it takes for Kearney to get the high recognition as a coach. I guarantee you that if he gets us to a semi final this year, many would feel that he delivered on his promise. It's what HE said, and to turn around and say 'oh I like Kearney but you cant believe what he says', that sounds stupid.

If the team go well in 2020 (like top 4 finish) then I would give him the credit he deserves. It might not be within the time frame he said but he can then bend the narrative to say the process was all about moulding the team to be a force. Still its not the ultimate and thats a GF.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I think what Kearney meant was three years to be genuine contenders. Which to me means week two of the finals at minimum. At that point it’s sudden death and anything can happen so I don’t think trying to guarantee anything more than that is smart. But I think if you asked the Chooks, Storm or Broncos fans what they’d consider a decent season that’s probably about what they’d say. And it’s being able to foot it with that group that is the aim.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

I think what Kearney meant was three years to be genuine contenders. Which to me means week two of the finals at minimum. At that point it’s sudden death and anything can happen so I don’t think trying to guarantee anything more than that is smart. But I think if you asked the Chooks, Storm or Broncos fans what they’d consider a decent season that’s probably about what they’d say. And it’s being able to foot it with that group that is the aim.

Yeah fair enough. Kearney strikes me as someone with high ambitions for the club, especially considering that he use to bust his ass for us out there on the field.

Remember our conversation tonight is all to do with your question. I have not strayed from that and that is - what it would take for Kearney to get that high recognition as a coach. If we conk out on week 2 of the finals, nothing would be made out of Kearney. If we go to a semi or grand final....then you will see what I mean. You will see Kearney get that recognition.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Yeah fair enough. Kearney strikes me as someone with high ambitions for the club, especially considering that he use to bust his ass for us out there on the field.

Remember our conversation tonight is all to do with your question. I have not strayed from that and that is - what it would take for Kearney to get that high recognition as a coach. If we conk out on week 2 of the finals, nothing would be made out of Kearney. If we go to a semi or grand final....then you will see what I mean. You will see Kearney get that recognition.

I think that week two exit scenario largely comes down to how it happens. As I mentioned it’s sudden death at that point, we could go out in an epic golden point tussle with the eventual premiers. That would definitely be a pass. Getting soundly beaten out in straight sets, no.

As for Kearney’s standards I think you can infer them from who and where he learned his trade. Bellyache and the Storm are the benchmark.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

I think that week two exit scenario largely comes down to how it happens. As I mentioned it’s sudden death at that point, we could go out in an epic golden point tussle with the eventual premiers. That would definitely be a pass. Getting soundly beaten out in straight sets, no.

As for Kearney’s standards I think you can infer them from who and where he learned his trade. Bellyache and the Storm are the benchmark.

Bellamy is a very ambitious coach.

In the end, Kearney will get huge wraps and he can even boast that he said his process would be three years if we get to a GF or IMO at least make the semis. He will then get the recognition even from his haters.

 

[sup42]

Yeah people quickly forget that we have watched six years of entitled idiots on huge money bludging while the poor coaches who may or may not have had a chance with better minded players.

The best thing Kearney did was get rid of them all.

All the stars are gone and the show ponies who only cared about scoring flash Trys or looking good, they didnt seem to give a crap about the game result.

All those sorts of people gone, and they will continue to be fired or re hired on very reduced contracts while Kearney is in charge.

I havent seen a Warriors team show up ready to go round one, two years in a row like this for a very long time.

Even in Clearys days they showed up in the early rounds looking like they had only just met, and then they would bludge until the perceived easier ride at origin time, that would feed their brittle confidence and they sometimes made it to the finals.

Lose a key player and those sides couldn't mentally cope with it.

This coach has achieved a lot.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

They mentioned during the game that Kata is the longest serving player left at the club- that shows the depth of the cleanout that the club has had in the last few years.

 

[RHYTHM AND STEALTH]

Kearney needs to take some responcibility for this loss

Isaac Luke not 100% fit, Tevaga is not a 40-50 minute hooker. Yes he can fill in but hes a ball playing runner now. Went SK took Burr off our middle started missing tackles. Papalii looked under done and couldnt sew up the middle of the ruck. Harris out wide was non affective, actually our fringe runners didnt really provide anything. Lisone, while his hitups are effective and full of enthusiasm is just a penalty machine, easily gets baited and loses concentration. It was a bad day at the office. Fus let in 2 tries and RTS was contained. These things happen occasionally but i think we beat Manly easily this week. im about to jump on facebook and read the 541356587465 posts about how we missed SJ

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Kearney needs to take some responcibility for this loss

Isaac Luke not 100% fit, Tevaga is not a 40-50 minute hooker. Yes he can fill in but hes a ball playing runner now. Went SK took Burr off our middle started missing tackles. Papalii looked under done and couldnt sew up the middle of the ruck. Harris out wide was non affective, actually our fringe runners didnt really provide anything. Lisone, while his hitups are effective and full of enthusiasm is just a penalty machine, easily gets baited and loses concentration. It was a bad day at the office. Fus let in 2 tries and RTS was contained. These things happen occasionally but i think we beat Manly easily this week. im about to jump on facebook and read the 541356587465 posts about how we missed SJ

Yes, agree with it all, but coaches don't drop the ball.
And only 3 players didn't by the stats.
The 50/50s didn't go our way all night.
Ref didn't even want to give Ken's his try.

 

[Mr Angry]

They mentioned during the game that Kata is the longest serving player left at the club- that shows the depth of the cleanout that the club has had in the last few years.

Buy back the farm.

Gus has a 5 year plan, 7 years in too.

Suddenly I feel like roast potatoes.

 

[ozbash]

SJ is gone.

We have nobody to replace him...

 

[vvvrulz]

SJ is gone.

We have nobody to replace him...

While true, SJ wouldn’t have made a difference yesterday.

 

[Benek]

That performance had nothing at all to do with SJ. We were shit across the park. From handling to defensive position to penalties. Maybe we would have scored one extra try had SJ been there. But we still gave up 30 and looked dire.