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Folau turns back on Eels to play rugby union

Avenger

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We can only begin to imagine what superstars like Ben Smith, Lasalo and Matt Ryan must be on for us to be in this position if true. For instance I hear that the recently released Horo was on over $200k. What a joke.
 
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hineyrulz

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lol how do you win 11 games in 2 years and have cap problems???? While the Dog's lost only 5 or 6 games last year and signed T Rex :crazy:
 

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This is what happens when you have people in key positions that aren't experienced in negotiations and managing the salary cap. Tongs hasn't done a lot for us but I'd rather see us keep him than not. The other question that needs to be asked is are we paying for Hopoate even though he isn't here?
 

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This is what happens when you have people in key positions that aren't experienced in negotiations and managing the salary cap. Tongs hasn't done a lot for us but I'd rather see us keep him than not. The other question that needs to be asked is are we paying for Hopoate even though he isn't here?

I know it has been mentioned a few times we may be paying hoppa - but if we were wouldnt it count under the cap , thus wouldnt this mean we could only have 24 players in our top 25 for 2012-13? Which I don't think has been the case.
 

forward pass

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I know this has been done to death - but all this Kearney anger is misdirected. His appointment was a huge gamble and a huge mistake - boards fault - not SK's.

He had to pay overs to get players here or to stay because the club was not an attractive one. We are going through some pain now, but I think our club and its current structure will be one that attracts player easily.

I can't wait until 2014 and beyond !
 

Gary Gutful

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Edwards and Stuart must have had a conniption when they saw the state of the salary cap.

What are people's thoughts on contributors (other than just individuals who were at the club - Hagan, Ando or Kearney)?

I'm far from an expert on the salary cap but it seems was the fact that we were no longer the strong club we were in the previous decade has meant that we have had to pay overs for average players. Is this what has happened? Perhaps there are other factors?

I am hoping I am not about to reopen arguments between forum members on the merits of our old coaches. Just after a clinical assessment of the key reasons (internal and external).

EDIT - Forward Pass just got in before me with some key reasons
 
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Details of gasiner contract

. NRL chief executive David Gallop said he was comfortable Mark Gasnier had been placed under the Dragons' salary cap ''at a reasonable figure'' for 2010, after insisting the club review their initial intention to sign the former Test centre for only $50,000 for the rest of the season.
Gallop and Dragons chief executive Peter Doust both declined to comment on exactly what portion of Gasnier's heavily back-ended four-and-a-half year contract was listed under the $4.1 million cap for this year after he officially rejoined the club yesterday. But the Herald understands the figure is approximately $120,000.
Lengthy negotiations between Doust and the NRL were required to get the Gasnier deal over the line and it has been accompanied with scepticism in some quarters about just how a player of such quality could be allowed to be the recipient of such a low fee within the salary cap.
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However, Gallop said yesterday the Dragons had been convinced to increase their initial $50,000 half-season valuation significantly.
''We had a bit of argy-bargy about the initial figure that they were looking to put him in at for the remainder of 2010,'' Gallop said.
''They've now got him in the cap at a reasonable figure. We also accepted that it is a fairly unusual situation and clearly to have him back in the game is good as well.''
Doust said the Gasnier contract, which keeps him at the club until the end of 2014, had been struck with an eye to future changes to the salary cap, which include a $100,000 rise in the cap itself, the relaxing of rules regulating third-party payments and a doubling of the $150,000 allowance for marquee players. ''They aren't actually [ratified] in the regulations. But we can be optimistic in 2012, '13 and '14 that … it will all work come that time,'' Doust said.
''I think we can expect an increase in the playing salary cap, we can also expect increases in allowances for arrangements outside the cap - existing sponsors and third-party sponsors - and there's likely to be an increase in long-term player allowances. Everything that has happened in the cap sense has worked in our favour. We're in a time of changing circumstances with the salary cap. That has obviously had an impact in what we could achieve in the latter years.''
Doust would not elaborate on the total value of Gasnier's deal but said the $1.9m figure reported yesterday was incorrect. He agreed that it had been a ''complicated negotiation process''.
The response from rival NRL clubs yesterday was to urge consistency from the league given the unusual nature of the back-ended deal.
''Rules for one, rules for all,'' Penrith chief executive Mick Leary said. ''If they give the OK on that … if we get into that situation, or any other club, they should be allowed the same principles.''
Australian Rugby Union boss John O'Neill said rugby officials were not overly concerned Mark Gasnier had returned to league.
''I'm pretty indifferent about it, actually,'' O'Neill said. ''Other parts of rugby showed a keen interest in Mark Gasnier, but I wouldn't say the ARU were falling over themselves. And that's not because he has gone back to the NRL. He wasn't a must-sign player for us, and whilst the Rebels and others engaged him, the ARU was very much on the sidelines. It's a bit of a blip for us, neither here nor there.''

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/le...to-benefit-dragons-gasnier-20100628-zf84.html
 

I bleed blue & gold

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So we went to alot of trouble to get Tonga to the club, now we might be going to alot of trouble to get him out? If this is the biggest hurdle we have to overcome in our cap until we get some breathing room in 2014, so be it.
 

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I know it has been mentioned a few times we may be paying hoppa - but if we were wouldnt it count under the cap , thus wouldnt this mean we could only have 24 players in our top 25 for 2012-13? Which I don't think has been the case.

You can be paying 100k of a player's salary if you release them early to another club which counts under the cap, but they're not part of the 25 either. I'd be surprised if we weren't paying Hoppa already. The club must have offered him a pretty sweet deal for him to jump ship when he did.
 

Eels Dude

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I know this has been done to death - but all this Kearney anger is misdirected. His appointment was a huge gamble and a huge mistake - boards fault - not SK's.

He had to pay overs to get players here or to stay because the club was not an attractive one. We are going through some pain now, but I think our club and its current structure will be one that attracts player easily.

I can't wait until 2014 and beyond !

Sign maybe... But retain no. Sandow and Tonga were the only name players he signed anyway. The only players Kearney retained bar Mannah were fringe first graders or up and comers who should have been signed for cheap and would have attracted little interest from other clubs so no excuse if he payed overs for them.
 

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It is laughable when you consider;

1. We had Hindmarsh and Burt retire, Poore leave and finally should have seen the back enf of Mortimer, Tahu and Grothe contracts.

2. The cap rose by $500,000

3. We released Esi Tonga and Horo.

4. Other than Sandow, Mannah, Moimoi, Hayne and Maitua mayne there isn't anyone who could be considered on more than $250,000 on the open market.

Someone has f**ked up seriously and we are probably over last years cap if this is the case.
 
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