Former Panthers in the NRL

[franklin2323]

He was employed without an interview process or any other candidates being interviewed..... what else would you call it?

These are the comments that get you so rattled

“They had a lot of juniors but no systems, no structures,” Griffin told NRL 360.

“They had no staff or resources applied to turning those players into NRL players, and there’s a big difference between having juniors and having potential NRL players. The structures, the training ethics, the attention to detail on the skill acquisition, all those things from the senior side down were in terrible shape.

“When I went to Penrith they weren’t happy with the direction the club was going … I think they had played off for the wooden spoon the year before,”

That's hardly earth shattering stuff, nor do I think there's 'irrefutable evidence' against his claims. That goes out the window by the simple fact he, a coach whose main attribute is junior development, was hired in the first place.

That is the thing. We had 2 halves on the wrong side of 30 for starters maybe Gus didn't like how Ivan planned to get rid of them and bring in the new wave. After all Nathan said Ivan told him that he wouldn't of debut him so who knows

 

[martielang]

I think Griffin was entitled to be bitter given the circumstances surrounding his sacking. It is rare for a coach to be sacked, soon after having his contract extended, and when his team has qualified for the finals during his tenure. Maybe some of the things he said on his NRL 360 appearance were not entirely accurate but under the circumstances I don’t hold it against him. Good luck to the bloke in his future endeavours and it would not surprise me if he got another crack at a head coach gig in the future.

I think you've summed it up perfectly tbh.

I just can't see how what he said on NRL360 is as big a deal nor as offensive as some claim. They were comments clearly driven by emotion as anyone's would be given the situation. There would certainly be a middle ground between what he said & what Gus said.

The same ones who can't seem to move on from these comments, are the exact same people who would take a bullet for Matty Moylan... coincidence?

 

[franklin2323]

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https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2015/09/27/panthers-crowned-club-champions/

In 2015 we won the NSWRL club championship as well as our second NYC premiership in 3 years. We also won a NSW cup premiership in 2014 to go along with our prelim final in FG but yeah the place was a shambles, like I said its as ridiculous as claiming he was the first man on the moon, utter rubbish.

Aaaand from your link:

“They had a lot of juniors but no systems, no structures,” Griffin told NRL 360 Sounds like he is talking about the juniors to me but maybe he means something else when he says juniors, structures etc LOL

2006 and 2007 we won u16's, u18's and u'20's... Yet only made the finals once in the following 6 years. You need a plan for how you put those guys in to FG or they just go on to strengthen other teams

 

[OldPanther]

I think you've summed it up perfectly tbh.

I just can't see how what he said on NRL360 is as big a deal nor as offensive as some claim. They were comments clearly driven by emotion as anyone's would be given the situation. There would certainly be a middle ground between what he said & what Gus said.

The same ones who can't seem to move on from these comments, are the exact same people who would take a bullet for Matty Moylan... coincidence?

He took a dump on the club for self gain. Why would it be negative to be a supporter of a club favourite and the club itself?

 

[OldPanther]

2006 and 2007 we won u16's, u18's and u'20's... Yet only made the finals once in the following 6 years. You need a plan for how you put those guys in to FG or they just go on to strengthen other teams

2015 was only so bad because it was an injury curse year. If I remember correctly we started with a few wins before the injuries happened and the losses piled up(I'm a bit fuzzy on the details though)

 

[betcats]

2006 and 2007 we won u16's, u18's and u'20's... Yet only made the finals once in the following 6 years. You need a plan for how you put those guys in to FG or they just go on to strengthen other teams

There were already a number from those NYC teams in FG, they were coming through at a good rate so saying there was no plan to bring kids through to grade is once again easily disproven, just check who debuted and you will see.

 

[betcats]

He was employed without an interview process or any other candidates being interviewed..... what else would you call it?

These are the comments that get you so rattled

“They had a lot of juniors but no systems, no structures,” Griffin told NRL 360.

“They had no staff or resources applied to turning those players into NRL players, and there’s a big difference between having juniors and having potential NRL players. The structures, the training ethics, the attention to detail on the skill acquisition, all those things from the senior side down were in terrible shape.

“When I went to Penrith they weren’t happy with the direction the club was going … I think they had played off for the wooden spoon the year before,”

That's hardly earth shattering stuff, nor do I think there's 'irrefutable evidence' against his claims. That goes out the window by the simple fact he, a coach whose main attribute is junior development, was hired in the first place.

He was hired. You can’t be headhunted if you are not employed, how does that need to be explained. Headhunted is recruiting someone from another business or competitor, not picking someone up off the unemployment line.

You sound like you’d suck farts out his ass if he asked. You keep saying I’m rattled by him etc, but again you and frog are the ones who need to exaggerate and lie to make him seem better, I have never had to resort to that, I post what he said and did and then you come up with all this spin to make it seem like something else.

There is irrefutable evidence as to the state of our juniors, the general state of the club anda the work that had been done prior to Griffin. How can you deny the results? We were the strongest club in NSWRL lower grades bar none in 2015, that’s a fact.

 

[BxTom]

He took a dump on the club for self gain. Why would it be negative to be a supporter of a club favourite and the club itself?

The same could be said for Moylan. So why are you sticking up for him?

 

[martielang]

He was hired. You can’t be headhunted if you are not employed, how does that need to be explained. Headhunted is recruiting someone from another business or competitor, not picking someone up off the unemployment line.

You sound like you’d suck farts out his ass if he asked. You keep saying I’m rattled by him etc, but again you and frog are the ones who need to exaggerate and lie to make him seem better, I have never had to resort to that, I post what he said and did and then you come up with all this spin to make it seem like something else.

There is irrefutable evidence as to the state of our juniors, the general state of the club anda the work that had been done prior to Griffin. How can you deny the results? We were the strongest club in NSWRL lower grades bar none in 2015, that’s a fact.

He was employed by Redcliffe at the time.

Anywayyyy, I'd have more chance of getting my mrs to change her mind, so lets move on.

 

[betcats]

He was employed by Redcliffe at the time.

Anywayyyy, I'd have more chance of getting my mrs to change her mind, so lets move on.

Alright I thought he coached Redcliffe prior to Brisbane, my mistake.

You haven't presented any real arguments or evidence, everything has just been "I think this..or I think that', if you want any chance of convincing me the club was a shambles and there were no pathways in place for the juniors and it was basically "kfc and a lap round the oval" as Hook claims its going to take hard facts, not just opinions. Because I have plenty of hard facts that support my opinion on this subject.

Anyway im happy to move on.

 

[OldPanther]

The same could be said for Moylan. So why are you sticking up for him?

Because I don't care about his rumored and unconfirmed off field behavior. If he likes the nose beers it's not my problem. Moylan's issues were Griffin not Panthers. If Moylan came out and spoke like Griffin did I'd be condemning him and the friendship would be over. I'm club first in the end although I do go pretty hard for my favourite players.

 

[martielang]

Alright I thought he coached Redcliffe prior to Brisbane, my mistake.

You haven't presented any real arguments or evidence, everything has just been "I think this..or I think that', if you want any chance of convincing me the club was a shambles and there were no pathways in place for the juniors and it was basically "kfc and a lap round the oval" as Hook claims its going to take hard facts, not just opinions. Because I have plenty of hard facts that support my opinion on this subject.

Anyway im happy to move on.

Me nor Frog said it was as bad as he made out. I think we actually all agreed he was likely exaggerating but we can both understand why he would - emotion, dislike of Gus, future job prospects etc.

But at the same time, Gus isn't going to sign a coach who's strength is junior development/pathways if it's not an area of the club that needs improvement. There must of been a weakness that he could see.

Hence why i think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[Kilkenny]

Because I don't care about his rumored and unconfirmed off field behavior. If he likes the nose beers it's not my problem. Moylan's issues were Griffin not Panthers. If Moylan came out and spoke like Griffin did I'd be condemning him and the friendship would be over. I'm club first in the end although I do go pretty hard for my favourite players.

I agree with you about unsubstantiated rumours and the like. Poor TMM was rumoured to have had sexual relations with another players girl which from what I was told from a good source was simply not true yet many if not most were happy to accept the rumours as fact. In relation to any rumours about Moylan using illicit substances I don’t place any credence in such rumours until such time he or any other player tests positive. It is difficult to understand the rationale behind condemning coach Griffin for what he said in his NRL 360 interview but not accept Matt Moylan failings in 2017.

 

[OldPanther]

Me defending Griffin on Facebook, I've cut my name out:

I'm the top comment here

 

[OldPanther]

I agree with you about unsubstantiated rumours and the like. Poor TMM was rumoured to have had sexual relations with another players girl which from what I was told from a good source was simply not true yet many if not most were happy to accept the rumours as fact. In relation to any rumours about Moylan using illicit substances I don’t place any credence in such rumours until such time he or any other player tests positive. It is difficult to understand the rationale behind condemning coach Griffin for what he said in his NRL 360 interview but not accept Matt Moylan failings in 2017.

He was punished for the breaking curfew which was fair. I believe in not punishing people after they have served their time. I don't for a second think he was perfect. That's the only thing we know for sure he's done wrong.

Yes the TMM rumors were bad.

 

[BxTom]

Because I don't care about his rumored and unconfirmed off field behavior. If he likes the nose beers it's not my problem. Moylan's issues were Griffin not Panthers. If Moylan came out and spoke like Griffin did I'd be condemning him and the friendship would be over. I'm club first in the end although I do go pretty hard for my favourite players.

I'm not basing it on rumours either.

I am basing it on the fact that he was not professional in doing rehab like other players. For turning his nose up at Panther fans through giving them the salute after leading the Sharks to a win over us. For not wanting to play the final series for us. I think that his dump on us was by far worse than a few angry words from hook.

Moylan stabbed us in the back for more money.

That is a Panther's problem, not just hooks.

You think that the sun shines out of Moylan's butt. The rest of us live in reality.

 

[TheFrog]

Poor TMM was rumoured to have had sexual relations with another players girl which from what I was told from a good source was simply not true yet many if not most were happy to accept the rumours as fact.

Circumstances appeared to point towards something having happened, but we will never know.

 

[TheFrog]

He was hired. You can’t be headhunted if you are not employed, how does that need to be explained. Headhunted is recruiting someone from another business or competitor, not picking someone up off the unemployment line.

He could have been cleaning public toilets for all you know. How is it relevant anyway?

 

[OldPanther]

I am basing it on the fact that he was not professional in doing rehab like other players.

That is a rumour.

For turning his nose up at Panther fans through giving them the salute after leading the Sharks to a win over us.

Come on mate he got booed pretty good so give and take. Carty got it as well.

For not wanting to play the final series for us.

Yet it was reported that he did and was denied by Griffin.

 

[Pomoz]

On the subject of juniors, in 2011, ME's final year, of the 29 players that played for the Panthers, 15 were local juniors. Of the 29 players 15 players played more than 10 games and six were local juniors*, in other words 6 of the regular 17 players were juniors. Quite a low representation and fitting with what the Panther's marketing manager told me at one of the games. ME doesn't watch the juniors and believes the club should find him players ie. signings when he needs them. His job is to coach, not to bring through juniors.

In 2015, the last year of Cleary's first four year stint as coach, 32 players were used and 16 were local juniors. Of the 32 players, 17 players played more than 10 games and 8 were local juniors. Not exactly a giant leap forward in blooding juniors into first grade.

in 2018, Griffins final year, 27 players were used and 21 were local juniors. Of the 27 players used,15 played more than 10 games and 11 were local juniors.

Griffin did a great job and bringing through juniors and the idea that Cleary was just as good at it doesn't seem to be supported by the facts. I also think the idea that the Panthers has good local junior development is just BS. If we did, we would have been playing semi finals much more regularly than we have. Griffin should be applauded for what he did, 3 from 3 and that's with a team of 21/27 local juniors. He had his flaws, but he believed in development more than any other coach we have had in the past.

NB: *For clarity, local juniors includes players who debuted with the Panthers but might have played in juniors elsewhere. Will Smith for example.