Forward passes

[McLovin]

Why can't the Bunker rule on forward passes ?

What are the sideline “ornaments” Officials: Brett Suttor, Phil Henderson looking at when a forward pass it thrown 1 metre in front them ?

Do these sideline ornaments with painted on eyes get paid to just wave a flag and generally be incompetent?


If the NRL want the fans to attend games and support the NRL, then these two incompetent sideline ornaments Brett Suttor, Phil Henderson must be sacked.

Referees: Gerard Sutton, Chris Butler should be dropped to the lower grades as well.

 

[Just Visiting]

I don't think its impossible to pass backwards. The ones in the Total Rugby video were all forward - but that's rugby rules.

Someone who did the maths earlier on didn't take into account spin

Here's one that's backwards, or flat at least.

Also note he is out of dummy half and running basically sideways, hence very little forward momentum to compensate, imagine that same pass from a line break at full pace. Also I don't see what spin has to do the direction of the ball movement.

Anyone seriously contemplating have the rule dictate the ball must travel back in relation to the ground as opposed to the player, have a look at Benji's flick pass in the 2005 GF, passed directly backwards at speed, you want that to be called forward? Do you have any idea how hard it would be to ref that?

 

[Cockosh]

So should we expect Archer to come out and say the officials got the calls wrong on the various forward passes this weekend as he did on the roosters one vs the panthers? Or does it only matter when it decides a game?

 

[myrrh ken]

I'm just saying it's not as impossible as its claimed here with all the maths equations, trigonometry and "90 metre" backlines.

Also note he is out of dummy half and running basically sideways, hence very little forward momentum to compensate, imagine that same pass from a line break at full pace.

Fair enough.

Also I don't see what spin has to do the direction of the ball movement.

Bernoulli principle

Anyone seriously contemplating have the rule dictate the ball must travel back in relation to the ground as opposed to the player, have a look at Benji's flick pass in the 2005 GF, passed directly backwards at speed, you want that to be called forward? Do you have any idea how hard it would be to ref that?

It was flat in absolute terms - but yeah it took me a few looks to check that out.

 

[rockcod]

I don't think its impossible to pass backwards. The ones in the Total Rugby video were all forward - but that's rugby rules.

Someone who did the maths earlier on didn't take into account spin

Here's one that's backwards, or flat at least.

He is running sideways and just gets it flat, the winger is back at least 10m to get it. If he is going flat out forwards the winger would have to be back 25 or 30m, not to mention the act of actually passing the ball at that angle while running. It would mean the only option after a line break in most cases would be to kick it to support runners.

 

[txta2]

Just saw replay and Manlys second try. Hah that was a mile forward

 

[big hit!]

kasey badger as a touch judge pulled up 3 forward passes a few weeks ago in a canterbury match from memory.....got them all spot on. was always in position to adjudicate as a touchie should be.

they need to be officiating like the line judges do in football/sokka - they call fouls and everything. league touch judges are a joke.

the majority of touchies have got their shorts pulled up to their nipples and seem excited just to be on the field to wave their flag when the ball rolls out or on conversion kicks.

 

[justdave]

Grab a footy and go to the back yard. Then Jog or sprint, it doesn't matter and pass the ball out of the back of your hand but purposely throw it forward. You can throw it metres forward. You can also pass it backward as well. It's a shit rule, the back of the hand thing but it's all we have.

 

[SBD82]

What I learned from this thread:

There is a surprising number of physicists on LU.

 

[dangerousdave]

Time for chip technology.
Measure the trajectory of the ball at the point of release with hawkeye like technology.

Negates the need understand inertia, wind resistance, spin of the ball, altitude, etc.

 

[justdave]

What I learned from this thread:

There is a surprising number of physicists on LU.

When and where does your doctorate come from?

So we all have to be happy that if a ball goes forward its great for the game despite the fact the ball is supposed to go backwards?

 

[Card Shark]

Grab a footy and go to the back yard.

No one owns a footy

 

[justdave]

Time for chip technology.
Measure the trajectory of the ball at the point of release with hawkeye like technology.

Negates the need understand inertia, wind resistance, spin of the ball, altitude, etc.

Refs and touchies will still f**k it up

 

[SBD82]

Here is a diagram to demonstrate how impossible it is to run at full speed and throw the ball so it is not going forward.

(Not sure if the image is working. The sine of the angle that a ball is passed at multiplied by the speed of the pass, has to equal the player's forward running speed for the ball to not go forward).

I did some rough timing from the Eels match, when Jennings made the break leading to the first Eels try (ironically disputed by Roosters fans for a forward pass).

He was running at about 8 metres/second.

I timed some passes as well. A regular pass seems to be passed at about 10 metres per second.

So Jennings would have to pass the ball back at an angle of (Theta = sin^-1 8/10) 53 degrees for it to not travel forward.

To give you an idea of how ridiculous an angle that is if we required it from a team, if the players were spread the width of the field, and the far winger was in their corner, and the ball was played on the opposite edge, it would have to be played 90 metres in front of the far winger for the team to maintain that angle (68 metres times tan 53 degrees).

So those who want all passes ruled forward if the ball travels forward, to run at good speed and "compensate" with a deep backline, the backline has to be set 90 metres deep. Or play has to not go the width of the field, or players have to not be running fast when passing. Any of those is patently ridiculous (players not running when passing, not using the width of the field for a passing play, or setting the attacking line 90 metres deep) and would ruin the game as we know it.

If you are arguing anything other than the rule as it is, you clearly are just being obtuse or wilfully ignorant.

Genuine question, Not being a jerk, actually think your grasp of the maths is pretty good so I'm curious if you have the answer (which I don't)

Does your method account for the velocity of the hands moving in the opposite direction? I.e. If the hands move faster backwards than the player moves forwards it would reduce how acute the angle would need to be? Or is this not a factor that needs to be considered?

 

[justdave]

Ok, you wrote sine. I'm going now

 

[SBD82]

When and where does your doctorate come from?

So we all have to be happy that if a ball goes forward its great for the game despite the fact the ball is supposed to go backwards?

Oh wow. That was only meant as a light comment. Sorry if the tone sounded like anything other than that.

 

[Clifferd]

No one owns a footy

I threw mine over the fence and the neighbours dog ate it

 

[justdave]

I understand the concept, throw a football out of the back of a ute going 50. It ain't going backwards

 

[justdave]

I threw mine over the fence and the neighbours dog ate it

Well that's going to be hard to pass

 

[justdave]

Oh wow. That was only meant as a light comment. Sorry if the tone sounded like anything other than that.

All good. I'm getting drunk! So maybe a bit sensitive