Four from Eleven, Griffin is a dead man walking.

[mxlegend99]

Ryno pulls us out of the fire again.
Thanks for the post mate .
I was sure we would lose that one.

Hes great at defying the odds

 

[Doomednow]

Rhyno is our most valued forum member.

 

[Fangs]

Rhynooooooo

Report back here at 2.00pm next Sunday.

 

[franklin2323]

3 from 10 sounds so much better than 2 from 9 for some reason.

No finals should mean Griffin is fired regardlesss. We have a top 8 team but we aren't going as bad as 3 from 10 would imply.

Roosters game. They won on a Forward pass, Peachey had an unmarked Blake late in the game. He passes that we win.

Souths game. Latu should not of been penalised for that competing with the bomb. our ball at the end we may win that who knows.

Storm game. TMM and Leota dropped the ball over the line. Whare had one over ruled by the bunker Different game if they score.

Broncos game. Tamou should of had the 1st try. DWZ had a fair try called back for a forward pass. A few 50/50 calls went Broncs way.

Only really Dragons and Sharks games we were totally outplayed.

Realistically we should be 5 or 6 from 10 on form. In a results based business this won't matter if we miss the 8. Griffin should be gone

 

[Doomednow]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...s/news-story/8bec39ef5a93afef088be9072a299d85

Not the full article but:

The same calm, measured delivery is what pulled the Panthers’ season from the toilet. Expecting a wholly deserved bake, his players couldn’t quite believe the cool as a cucumber coach that greeted them.

Rather than a rocket, the message came to simply “show us what you’ve got.”

The pessimist in me says that was Griffin telling the boys to play their natural game rather than his shitty game plan, but I freely admit that's pure speculation and probably a touch unfair.

Doesn't stop me wanting a better coach.

 

[OldPanther]

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...s/news-story/8bec39ef5a93afef088be9072a299d85

Not the full article but:



The pessimist in me says that was Griffin telling the boys to play their natural game rather than his shitty game plan, but I freely admit that's pure speculation and probably a touch unfair.

Doesn't stop me wanting a better coach.

I'm starting to think with less errors and more discipline we win more. You can see a few coaching issues (bench,last tackle options etc) but the team does seem to win games when we get our completion rate up and penalties down. Hense our good 2nd half performances.

 

[mxlegend99]

We tend to win against teams in worse shape then us. Tigers were a disaster when we faced them. Knights have tried hard but been shit for a few seasons now.

Warriors are the Warriors. Havent won in Australia all year and their spine was terrible for New Zealand and aside from Foran tgey were terrible against us.

The only impressive part of beating Warriors was the comeback. But we were terrible enough to give them such a huge lead to begin with.

We are still well behind our preseason form and hype. We should get our first back to back wins this year. But it will be due to playing the Knights who arent likely to win 2 in a row anytime this season.

 

[OldPanther]

We tend to win against teams in worse shape then us. Tigers were a disaster when we faced them. Knights have tried hard but been shit for a few seasons now.

Warriors are the Warriors. Havent won in Australia all year and their spine was terrible for New Zealand and aside from Foran tgey were terrible against us.

The only impressive part of beating Warriors was the comeback. But we were terrible enough to give them such a huge lead to begin with.

We are still well behind our preseason form and hype. We should get our first back to back wins this year. But it will be due to playing the Knights who arent likely to win 2 in a row anytime this season.

I'm not impressed with winning against Warriors but I am with how they did it. A varied kicking game, forwards running with intent which created opportunity for the edges. The same will apply for me against the knights. I'll be more interested in what they do to win.

 

[franklin2323]

I'm not impressed with winning against Warriors but I am with how they did it. A varied kicking game, forwards running with intent which created opportunity for the edges. The same will apply for me against the knights. I'll be more interested in what they do to win.

spot on. That pass to Yeo is what we have been lacking inside the 20. The DWZ try was all vision the Blake Try was a confidence lets attack useless Asyford which we need more often

 

[betcats]

spot on. That pass to Yeo is what we have been lacking inside the 20. The DWZ try was all vision the Blake Try was a confidence lets attack useless Asyford which we need more often

I think it was Johnson that Yeo smoked for Waqa's try. He remains one of the most overrated players in the game.

 

[franklin2323]

I think it was Johnson that Yeo smoked for Waqa's try. He remains one of the most overrated players in the game.

He is up there. Goes MIA so often in attack and defence

 

[Frankus]

I think it was Johnson that Yeo smoked for Waqa's try. He remains one of the most overrated players in the game.

I can understand your perception of Johnson. But I will go into bat for the bloke.

If Johnson was playing behind the Sharks pack (premiers, arguably most dominant pack in the comp), he would comfortably be top 5 players in the game every year. He arguably has the best kicking game in the comp (as I said, arguably). The key is that the Warriors haven't had a pack dominate their opposition consistently since 2011, coincidentally when they made a run to the GF. It just so happens that when the NZ International team have had a dominant pack he has also starred.

I'm sure Thurston would have been judged similarly at club level in the lean years following their GF appearance if he hadn't been playing for a record setting QLD origin side.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[betcats]

I can understand your perception of Johnson. But I will go into bat for the bloke.

If Johnson was playing behind the Sharks pack (premiers, arguably most dominant pack in the comp), he would comfortably be top 5 players in the game every year. He arguably has the best kicking game in the comp (as I said, arguably). The key is that the Warriors haven't had a pack dominate their opposition consistently since 2011, coincidentally when they made a run to the GF. It just so happens that when the NZ International team have had a dominant pack he has also starred.

I'm sure Thurston would have been judged similarly at club level in the lean years following their GF appearance if he hadn't been playing for a record setting QLD origin side.

Just my 2 cents.

These are fair points, but at the end of the day we can only judge him on what he actually produces, and imo there is a large gap between what he produces consistently and his reputation. Has he ever starred for NZ without Foran playing? In 2011 Maloney seems to be the key for the warriors run imo, people credit SJ because he had some flashy highlights but in 2012 with the same pack you take Maloney out and they go to shit meanwhile Maloney goes on two win two premierships with different clubs.

He has all the skills and physical ability you could wish for, he should be impacting games. I disagree that he would be a top player with the sharks or any team, mentally its not there.

 

[OldPanther]

Has he ever starred for NZ without Foran playing? In 2011 Maloney seems to be the key for the warriors run imo, people credit SJ because he had some flashy highlights but in 2012 with the same pack you take Maloney out and they go to shit meanwhile Maloney goes on two win two premierships with different clubs.

This is very telling.

 

[Frankus]

These are fair points, but at the end of the day we can only judge him on what he actually produces, and imo there is a large gap between what he produces consistently and his reputation. Has he ever starred for NZ without Foran playing? In 2011 Maloney seems to be the key for the warriors run imo, people credit SJ because he had some flashy highlights but in 2012 with the same pack you take Maloney out and they go to shit meanwhile Maloney goes on two win two premierships with different clubs.

He has all the skills and physical ability you could wish for, he should be impacting games. I disagree that he would be a top player with the sharks or any team, mentally its not there.

Your argument would be valid if Maloney didn't play 24 games for the Warriors in 2012.

 

[betcats]

Your argument would be valid if Maloney didn't play 24 games for the Warriors in 2012.

That is another fair point haha. Either way Maloney has proven himself a winner and probably deserves more credit than SJ for 2011. Has Johnson ever been great without another great half to play off? He does not have what it takes to be a top five player. Our forwards have been owned this year and yet Moylan has more tackle breaks than Johnson and the same amount of linebreaks. Johnson should have the best running game in the comp with his talent and yet Moylan who gets accused of being scared to run is doing better. SJ is a passenger most of the time.

 

[Frankus]

That is another fair point haha. Either way Johnson does not have what it takes to be a top five player. Our forwards have been owned this year and yet Moylan has more tackle breaks than Johnson and the same amount of linebreaks. Johnson should have the best running game in the comp with his talent and yet Moylan who gets accused of being scared to run is doing better.

We were discussing Moylan? Hmmm. Your view of Johnson appears to be the same as mine on Moylan to be honest. Moylan finished last season with 4 tries, 5 LBs, 21 TAs (3rd) and 27 LBAs (best in the comp). Lets call a spade a spade - good season.

Last season in a side that didn't play finals footy with a forward pack that didn't have a Merrin making 200m a game - Johnson finishes the season with 10 tries (3rd best for halves behind Milford and Cronk), 15 LBs (best of any half in the comp), 18 TAs (6th) and 24 LBAs (the best of any half in the comp). Nar - inconsistent plodder.

 

[betcats]

We were discussing Moylan? Hmmm. Your view of Johnson appears to be the same as mine on Moylan to be honest. Moylan finished last season with 4 tries, 5 LBs, 21 TAs (3rd) and 27 LBAs (best in the comp). Lets call a spade a spade - good season.

Last season in a side that didn't play finals footy with a forward pack that didn't have a Merrin making 200m a game - Johnson finishes the season with 10 tries (3rd best for halves behind Milford and Cronk), 15 LBs (best of any half in the comp), 18 TAs (6th) and 24 LBAs (the best of any half in the comp). Nar - inconsistent plodder.

Just using Moylan to make a point.

A quick glance at his stats tells me last season was his best year in FG statistically by a fair margin and his side still missed the finals, as a halfback that's terrible. He goes missing when it counts and he is inconsistent.
I never called him a plodder you just made that up to make yourself look better lol, I said he is overrated massively, which he is. How much help does the guy need? He had most of the NZ spine last year and with himself being a top five talent in your opinion and they couldn't get it done.

 

[Frankus]

A quick glance at his stats tells me last season was his best year in FG statistically by a fair margin and his side still missed the finals, as a halfback that's terrible. He goes missing when it counts and he is inconsistent.

I never called him a plodder you just made that up to make yourself look better lol, I said he is overrated massively, which he is. How much help does the guy need? He had most of the NZ spine last year.

Any credibility your opinions external to Penrith had is quickly evaporating the further you take this. Don't get me wrong, you know Panthers stuff intimately and I appreciate your opinions but its blatantly obvious YDKSA other clubs.

A woefully out of form Isaac Luke who has taken a golden parachute contract with the Warriors and Roger Tuivasa Sheck did his ACL in maybe the 5th round of the season and Thomas Leuluai who would maybe get a starting gig at only Newcastle hence why's hes f**ked off to the super league again. What great support from the NZ spine.

But quick, blame the halfback!

 

[betcats]

Any credibility your opinions external to Penrith had is quickly evaporating the further you take this. Don't get me wrong, you know Panthers stuff intimately and I appreciate your opinions but its blatantly obvious YDKSA other clubs.

A woefully out of form Isaac Luke who has taken a golden parachute contract with the Warriors and Roger Tuivasa Sheck did his ACL in maybe the 5th round of the season and Thomas Leuluai who would maybe get a starting gig at only Newcastle hence why's hes f**ked off to the super league again. What great support from the NZ spine.

But quick, blame the halfback!

Haha ok im not really worried about my credibility on an internet forum but thanks for that.

Nothing you have said proves that he isn't overrated and inconsistent. He had one very good year statistically which resulted in his squad that was rated as one of the best(and favourites) missing the 8, the rest of his career his numbers don't come close to last season. Its fairly obvious those stats overstate his impact massively. Either way he is on track this year to fall well short of his stats last season, given he was well short of those stats in 15 and 14 id say last year was an outlier and it would be dumb to judge his whole career off that. You probably know this though as you keep trying to move the goalpost.