Francis Molo

[Old Timer]

I’m not blaming Hook, he’s the coach -but the other supporting club cadre.

They just haven’t been effective in communicating the importance of good behaviour to players.

But no proper explanation was ever provided for Amone training away, happy and smiling when he’s facing 14 years. That was hopeless.

Recreational drugs are rife in the NRL everyone knows it. That’s all swept under the carpet.

The presumption of innocence is paramount in a litigious society.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

The presumption of innocence is paramount in a litigious society.

Hes admitted to the offence, he’s guilty, no presumption of innocence applies to him.

Otherwise in practice it’s
a balance.

We dont let psychopathic alleged murderers out on bail in the name of the presumption of innocence because they may re-offend.

An extreme example, but that reflects reality.

Old mate has pleaded guilty, so he’s admitting the elements of the offence have been made out.

 

[twinkletoes]

Footballers have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, grandparents, cousins, wags, wags relatives, personal friends, neighbours, many are parishioners with ministers, priests and congregational friends and despite all those close contacts somehow Hook is responsible for the actions in their private lives.

So Hook is not only supposed to be a footy coach but to be an all seeing eye into the lives of 30 players and have qualifications to be Moses enforcing the 10 commandments, father confessor, counsellor, psychologist, psychiatrist, behavioural expert, wet nurse, rehabilitation officer to blokes who can’t follow the simplest of instructions such as “no bbq”

Ask yourself this if your kid was playing sport and started playing up and getting into trouble would you be going down to the coaches house and wagging the finger at them and telling them it’s all their fault?

FMD there is more chance of the air in Wollongong being responsible for these issues than Hook.

Some people in this place are just bully boys trying to pile it all up on the coach as if it will help.

By all means criticise him for selections, style of play, poor results and things that he is supposed to be able to coach but spare me the ridiculous assumptions that he is somehow these morons best mate, mentor and life skills coach.

I think it shows a total disrespect for the coach...same as the BBQ fiasco.

 

[Old Timer]

Hes admitted to the offence, he’s guilty, no presumption of innocence applies to him.

Otherwise in practice it’s
a balance.

We dont let psychopathic alleged murderers out on bail in the name of the presumption of innocence because they may re-offend.

An extreme example, but that reflects reality.

Old mate has pleaded guilty, so he’s admitting the elements of the offence have been made out.

I was responding to your comments re Amone being at training etc not Molo.

 

[randomdragon]

It is simply due to the upbringing, as well as the unemployment rates in Wollongong. They are all derros down there. I went there once for work and literally saw organised fights happening in a park.

 

[dragon thomo]

I would say Maximus, the reason we cannot attract any quality players to the club is.
1. Piss poor management.
2. Below par player squad.
3. A coach that instructs his players to play a conservative style of football and thinks by only having a high completion rate is a road to success.
4.Continuous headlines for poor behaviour within the club.
So Maximus if you think that is not a problem for Management to sort out then you have no idea.

 

[Mojo]

We now have the potential to have 2 players stood down at the same time under the no fault rule....what is the common denominator in the latest 4 instances of player misbehaviour??

Women!

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I was responding to your comments re Amone being at training etc not Molo.

Amone training is a total fiasco.

Guilty or innocent.

I think it’s time for a whole of club crisis meeting. Include paid members that want to attend.

Get the players close up to disillusioned members, sponsors etc so you guys can voice their expectations of player conduct going forward.

Not a big hate on the club, but the send the message to the players about accountability.

Youd probably have to go through a moderator with questions etc as it might turn ugly otherwise.

Because the messages now don’t seem to be working.

They are paid pretty well. They can front up.

 

[Mojo]

We now have the potential to have 2 players stood down at the same time under the no fault rule....what is the common denominator in the latest 4 instances of player misbehaviour??

Oh no - sorry.
It's booze, probably illicit drugs, ego, stupidity, machismo, ignorance, lack of commitment, excessive money, generally low standards, disillusionment, lowlife recruitments, poor and stupid upbringings, innate criminal tendencies ..

 

[Mojo]

Footballers have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, grandparents, cousins, wags, wags relatives, personal friends, neighbours, many are parishioners with ministers, priests and congregational friends and despite all those close contacts somehow Hook is responsible for the actions in their private lives.

So Hook is not only supposed to be a footy coach but to be an all seeing eye into the lives of 30 players and have qualifications to be Moses enforcing the 10 commandments, father confessor, counsellor, psychologist, psychiatrist, behavioural expert, wet nurse, rehabilitation officer to blokes who can’t follow the simplest of instructions such as “no bbq”

Ask yourself this if your kid was playing sport and started playing up and getting into trouble would you be going down to the coaches house and wagging the finger at them and telling them it’s all their fault?

FMD there is more chance of the air in Wollongong being responsible for these issues than Hook.

Some people in this place are just bully boys trying to pile it all up on the coach as if it will help.

By all means criticise him for selections, style of play, poor results and things that he is supposed to be able to coach but spare me the ridiculous assumptions that he is somehow these morons best mate, mentor and life skills coach.

Hook is a shape-shifter with Satanic powers to destroy rugby league talent. He looks like a mild-mannered guy next door but dont be deceived, at midnight he plays with red and white voodoo dolls.

 

[Outlaw Pete]

Given the incidents over the last couple of years to me Hook is not held in much respect by some members of the team and the character of some players is very low.
BBQ gate. Amone. Now Molo and the Mudgee drunken blow up.
Would not happen under Wayne Bellamy or Robinson.
To think we had Jason Demetrio , Robson, Garrick to name some at the club at one stage now all elsewhere is disgraceful.

 

[Mojo]

The presumption of innocence is paramount in a litigious society.

Hear hear!

 

[Mojo]

Hes admitted to the offence, he’s guilty, no presumption of innocence applies to him.

Otherwise in practice it’s
a balance.

We dont let psychopathic alleged murderers out on bail in the name of the presumption of innocence because they may re-offend.

An extreme example, but that reflects reality.

Old mate has pleaded guilty, so he’s admitting the elements of the offence have been made out.

Not making any comment re Molo's case.

It's true that a guilty plea negates the presumption of innocence but in practice it's not quite that simple. You might find this interesting: file:///C:/Users/TBLALC/Downloads/Nash522035-Accepted.pdf

The point being that there are numerous reasons for a guilty plea - often actual guilt being low on the list. It can be cost, time, anxiety, badly structured charges, poor legal advice, the desire to challenge on appeal ... you name it. There are many, many innocent people sentenced in Australia due to guilty pleas that should have been questioned and tested by lawyers, judges and juries.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Not making any comment re Molo's case.

It's true that a guilty plea negates the presumption of innocence but in practice it's not quite that simple. You might find this interesting: file:///C:/Users/TBLALC/Downloads/Nash522035-Accepted.pdf

The point being that there are numerous reasons for a guilty plea - often actual guilt being low on the list. It can be cost, time, anxiety, badly structured charges, poor legal advice, the desire to challenge on appeal ... you name it. There are many, many innocent people sentenced in Australia due to guilty pleas that should have been questioned and tested by lawyers, judges and juries.

Thanks.

No system is perfect and I’d hazard a guess these instances pale by comparison to the number of matters that go through unscathed.

There are also various appeal mechanisms the aggrieved innocents can use.

And looking the other way, there are going to be people who commit crimes that get off.

As a human system it has faults, I agree we should do a lot more minimise these departures. That will take resources.

A broader criticism for me is that often times, rich people seem to have a lot more access to resources to defend themselves etc and that undermines the system too.

We could do a lot more, but politicians and stake holders don’t allocate resources

How would you fix these systemic problems?

All that said, I’m prepared to sacrifice Molo for the greater good. Others aren’t, that’s their view, all fine by me.

I think he should be clearing out his locker.

 

[RedVDave]

So what you are saying is that if Amone respected the coach and board more, he wouldn't have assaulted someone with a hammer? If Molo respected the coach and board more, he wouldn't have gotten drunk and intimidated his partner. That somehow these players should have been disciplined for something they hadn't yet done?

You keep blaming the club for the crimes, but can't explain why other than "oh the culture made them do it". So what's more likely to have played a role in Amone's crime, the club culture or the family culture of being raised by a father with underworld ties and who was allegedly involved in a previous murder? Now since you believe it's the former, what specifically did the club do to cause him to attack a person with a hammer?

Also, given you decided to use the Roosters example, why didn't they teach their player not to access and distribute child abuse material?

So what you are saying is that if Amone respected the coach and board more, he wouldn't have assaulted someone with a hammer? If Molo respected the coach and board more, he wouldn't have gotten drunk and intimidated his partner. That somehow these players should have been disciplined for something they hadn't yet done?

You keep blaming the club for the crimes, but can't explain why other than "oh the culture made them do it". So what's more likely to have played a role in Amone's crime, the club culture or the family culture of being raised by a father with underworld ties and who was allegedly involved in a previous murder? Now since you believe it's the former, what specifically did the club do to cause him to attack a person with a hammer?

Also, given you decided to use the Roosters example, why didn't they teach their player not to access and distribute child abuse material?

No one seems to be in charge.
No one is listening to instructions given it's obvious the players have no respect enforcing rules and regulations which is the job of the coach and the board
Some proof if you like was two probably more of our players allowed to get so drunk that one of them doesn't remember the fight they got into. Their words not mine, why are elite athletes permitted to get on the drink anyway during the season? Who was in charge? Who was responsible? Where are the St.George juniors? Well Jacob Host and Izzac Thompson are playing for South's and the Dragon clubs in my opinion seem to be suffering a slow death or worse slowly being groomed as future junior clubs by the Bunnies. Again who is in charge of our interests in the St.George area, anyone? No one? If we had names, we could contact them and hold them publicly accountable, as it stands, we get a vague message under the club brand that always states there will be no further comment, again who's taking responsibility?

This will be the last time I bother replying to you cause it's clear you're content with us being mediocre both on and off the field,
People get confused about loyalty to a club. Loyalty to a badly run club is actually stupidity. Anyway, what I see breaks my heart and I can't see the club great again in my remaining years.

 

[Maximus]

Very much so.

But arguing it happens elsewhere, doesn’t really excuse the sgi guys.

It doesn’t happen at all clubs.

I'm not trying to excuse anyone. I'm saying dickheads are dickheads no matter what club they play for, and that these issues have nothing to do with the club. We look bad because we've had 2 in quick succession, but you could look at just about any club and have the same thing at some point in their history.

I can't see how anyone could look at what Amone is accused of, see his father's history, and still somehow link that to club culture

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I'm not trying to excuse anyone. I'm saying dickheads are dickheads no matter what club they play for, and that these issues have nothing to do with the club. We look bad because we've had 2 in quick succession, but you could look at just about any club and have the same thing at some point in their history.

I can't see how anyone could look at what Amone is accused of, see his father's history, and still somehow link that to club culture

I didn’t blame the club about Amone because his conduct was extreme.

But now we have fights and a domestic violence offence.

And it’s all adding up.

Whoever is in charge of the player welfare and trying to impart the knowledge of good behaviour, teach the dna, they should be sacked.

Too many players not caring for the club.

Penriths culture is ordinary, but they avoid the publicity. Try to avoid their player parties.

 

[Maximus]

No one seems to be in charge.
No one is listening to instructions given it's obvious the players have no respect enforcing rules and regulations which is the job of the coach and the board
Some proof if you like was two probably more of our players allowed to get so drunk that one of them doesn't remember the fight they got into. Their words not mine, why are elite athletes permitted to get on the drink anyway during the season? Who was in charge? Who was responsible? Where are the St.George juniors? Well Jacob Host and Izzac Thompson are playing for South's and the Dragon clubs in my opinion seem to be suffering a slow death or worse slowly being groomed as future junior clubs by the Bunnies. Again who is in charge of our interests in the St.George area, anyone? No one? If we had names, we could contact them and hold them publicly accountable, as it stands, we get a vague message under the club brand that always states there will be no further comment, again who's taking responsibility?

This will be the last time I bother replying to you cause it's clear you're content with us being mediocre both on and off the field,
People get confused about loyalty to a club. Loyalty to a badly run club is actually stupidity. Anyway, what I see breaks my heart and I can't see the club great again in my remaining years.

You seem to be confused. You stated that the board are at fault for the players committing crimes, and I asked how. You now want to make it about the on field product, and so are claiming that me disagreeing with them being responsible for the crimes, means I'm fine with mediocrity on the field. It's a bullshit argument and you know it, hence why you now want to run away

 

[Number of the Beath]

Just once I'd like to sit down at morning tea, look at my phone and not see breaking news about some player from this shambolic club being a despicable f**kwit!
FFS, we won a comp in 2010. We should have ridden that wave for years. It didn't even last 12 months. And look at us now!

 

[Trifili13]

Given the incidents over the last couple of years to me Hook is not held in much respect by some members of the team and the character of some players is very low.
BBQ gate. Amone. Now Molo and the Mudgee drunken blow up.
Would not happen under Wayne Bellamy or Robinson.
To think we had Jason Demetrio , Robson, Garrick to name some at the club at one stage now all elsewhere is disgraceful.

I am sure a Storm player on NZ duty got busted for illegal drug use or similar a few years ago. Didn't the Cheese and Munster get busted last year or the year before for 'bad dancing while drunk' in a bakery as no one could explain the white powder so must have been flour.
Unfortunately when your team is at the wrong end of the table you run the risk of also attracting the wrong type of player. We just need someone to put their foot down and say enough is enough. We want to be a serious team and sort the mess out. Can't believe any wealthy family would want a high profile asset of theirs to be dragged through the mud and from the outside appear to not do anything about it.