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BLM01

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He did have the same impact once Scott and McLean returned.

When green was interchanging those 3 back into the game at the 60 minute mark late in the season their impact was devastating.

That also is part of my point from last year. In some games that was all too late and Green leaves him off the field too long IMO because of the silly coach set interchange game plan regardless of the ebbs and flows of a game.
Just my opinion JasonT is a beast but lost some of that impact as did the Cowboys last year.
When Scott & Mclean returned they hardly beat any gun sides except for Brisbane who struggled for most of the year
 
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That also is part of my point from last year. In some games that was all too late and Green leaves him off the field too long IMO because of the silly coach set interchange game plan regardless of the ebbs and flows of a game.
Just my opinion JasonT is a beast but lost some of that impact as did the Cowboys last year.
When Scott & Mclean returned they hardly beat any gun sides if my memory serves me correct
Sure they didn't topple any gun sides, but they won 4 of their last 6, losing to the roosters and sharks who had come good and were playing for a top 4 spot.

They also beat the broncos, and towelled up the eels, who had put a score on us a fortnight prior.

Anyway. Probably too much of a tangent for a frizell thread. I think what JT does so well for the cowboys is to play off the back of one of the props' runs, angle out and isolate a smaller defender, pulling 2 or 3 defenders out of the line for the next play, which gives the opposition defensive line headaches, and gives his own halfs options for a spread, an inside ball, or a short side play. I think if you take him out of the middle you take a lot away from the NQ game.
 

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Sure they didn't topple any gun sides, but they won 4 of their last 6, losing to the roosters and sharks who had come good and were playing for a top 4 spot.

They also beat the broncos, and towelled up the eels, who had put a score on us a fortnight prior.

Anyway. Probably too much of a tangent for a frizell thread. I think what JT does so well for the cowboys is to play off the back of one of the props' runs, angle out and isolate a smaller defender, pulling 2 or 3 defenders out of the line for the next play, which gives the opposition defensive line headaches, and gives his own halfs options for a spread, an inside ball, or a short side play. I think if you take him out of the middle you take a lot away from the NQ game.
Fair enough we differ on some things and I can agree your points re his benefit to the side.
My view from last year is I saw him being used too much as a battering ram, sometimes twice + in a set (Not saying he should not be used at all due to your points you make) to make yardage for them and was not used as smartly as they could be. I could say the same about our Frizz and JDB.
 

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Fair enough we differ on some things and I can agree your points re his benefit to the side.
My view from last year is I saw him being used too much as a battering ram, sometimes twice + in a set (Not saying he should not be used at all due to your points you make) to make yardage for them and was not used as smartly as they could be. I could say the same about our Frizz and JDB.
JDB is definitely under-utilised in this role. I paid close attention to his NSW debut, and there was a considerable portion of NSW' attack that came off De Belin setting up the next play by drawing defenders, getting to his points, and a quick PTB. We definitely could have been using him better.
 

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St George Illawarra star Frizell backs referees despite increasing criticism of new edict
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Wrestling tactics: Tyson Frizell has supported the referees despite concerns teams are intentionally slowing down the play the ball. Picture: NRL Photos/Mark Nolan.
St George Illawarra star Tyson Frizell has backed the referees to continue their current ruck interpretations, despite heavy criticism in recent weeks.

After last year's crackdown resulted in stop-start games and sky-high penalty counts, this year has seen referees instructed to put the whistle away and let the game flow.

Concerns have been raised that the pendulum has swung too far, with South Sydney coach Wayne Bennett expressing his frustration after his team's victory over Canterbury on Friday.

For Frizell, however, the 2019 interpretations have made for more free-flowing football throughout the first six rounds of the season.

"I don't mind that the whistles have been put away, games are a lot tighter," Frizell said.

"At stages when you feel like you've won the play the ball and want a penalty, they're probably not bringing it out as much, they're probably not giving the advantage for the attacker."

As a forward with the ability to generate quick play the balls, Frizell has been affected significantly by the new edict. He is hopeful, however, we don't see another shift in interpretation now that the criticism has begun.

"There's a balance between giving the penalty for those tackles where they're holding down a fair bit, but I'm happy with the way they're going at the moment and I'm sure, with people talking about it now, they're going to start blowing more penalties.

"I hope that doesn't happen, because no one wants it to go back to how it was last year, but we do need to find a balance there."


https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...te-increasing-criticism-of-new-edict/?cs=3713
 

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Frizell to wear protective cup for rest of season
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Brad Walter NRL.com Senior Reporter
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Mon 22 Apr 2019, 07:01 PM
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St George Illawarra forward Tyson Frizell is likely to continue wearing a protective cup until the end of the season for peace of mind after recovering from surgery for a ruptured testicle.

Frizell, who required seven stitches after sustaining the injury in the opening-round loss to North Queensland, returned just three weeks later and has appeared unaffected as he displayed the form which has ensured he is one of the first players picked for NSW and Australia.

The 27-year-old second-rower said he should soon be able to play without the protector, more commonly worn in UFC or ice hockey, but it had given him confidence and he now planned to wear it for the rest of the season.

“It is a little bit uncomfortable during training but once you get out and start playing you don’t really worry about it,” Frizell said as he joined St George Illawarra team-mates for a private tour of the ANZAC Memorial in Hyde Park ahead of Thursday’s annual clash with Sydney Roosters at the SCG.

“I will probably end up playing in it for the rest of the year just for my head. I know it is well protected and I will probably only have to wear it for another two or three more weeks but for myself I just want to wear it.”

Despite concerns from commentators when he has taken a knock during matches, Frizell said he recovered quickly from the surgery and had not encountered any further problems.

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Dragons forward Tyson Frizell. :copyright:Gregg Porteous/NRL Photos
“It was probably a week before I could move freely and it was pretty sore for two weeks and then it just come good so I sort of knew I was ready to play and just had to get medically cleared,” he said.

"I just needed to get my mental state right but I was all fine once I spoke to the specialist.

“It is not an issue and it doesn’t play on my mind at all during the games. I get asked a lot about whether I had been hit again but I am probably better protected than most of the other boys now, wearing the guard.”

Frizell said he was looking forward to playing the Roosters on Thursday and going head to head with NSW and Australian second-row partner Boyd Cordner.

The Roosters have won their last five consecutive matches, including last Friday night’s golden point defeat of Melbourne, while the Dragons have triumphed in their past four games.

“They are probably the standout team with their performances so far but with a short preparation we can really only focus on ourselves as a team,” Frizell said.



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“We are going to be up for the game and they are going to be up for the game.

“I think if we played anyone on ANZAC Day we would rise to the occasion. You could be playing the team on the bottom of the ladder but everyone finds something extra and ANZAC Day is all about mateship so everyone wants to play for their mates and do everything they can.

“We get to play at the SCG. I have only played there a couple of times and never played before a packed crowd there so it will be a pretty special given the history of the ground.”


https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/04/22/frizell-to-wear-protective-cup-for-rest-of-season/
 

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Another player killed by Mary ..
Here we have an absolute weapon in attack.. Big/Strong/Fast.

But compare Friz on the right to Tariq on the left and you see some issues.

Linebreaks - Tariq 13, Friz 5
Tries - Tariq 10, Friz 5 (most off kicks)
Per game Tariq has him for tackle breaks also but that is symptomatic of who Tariq runs at.

There is something really off with the lines that Friz runs and that is all on Mary.

Friz should be right up there with line breaks and tries from running but simply isnt and the way he runs means that our entire right edge loses so much potency. Opposition edge players should be absolutely shitting themselves at the sight of Friz barrelling down on them but instead he is dealt with by Props/Hookers up the middle.

Whilst this assists with the power game up the guts it limits the effectiveness of Hunt and our right centre/wing.


If anything - if JDB were to be stood down there is such an immediate and obvious benefit to the attacking structures on the right. Frizz into 13 where he essentially plays, Tariq on the right edge and someone like Luc on the left who can be just as damaging as Tariq and like Sims he is an edge who knows how to run correct lines.

Frizz is a great player who could be exceptionally great.

Mary is an idiot..
That used to be my thinking. Now I believe Leilua will make a great prop with a playing style similar to Beatson.

Left edge is T Sims's preferred position and he really does well there. On the right edge I'd say Host with K Sims coming off the bench.

Lawrie seems to be doing OK at lock and looks to be getting better each game.

I'm very interested in bringing in our two up and coming props Kerr and Timm and so a prop rotation of:
Vaughan
Graham
Leilua
Kerr/Timm
To me the above prop rotation has the potential to be a very dominating line-up for years to come - of course except for Graham after 2019.

The backrow rotation of K Sims, Frizell, Host and K Sims is a line-up any club would fight to have.

The combination of our halves Hunt and Norman is improving each game and is now the equal of any halves combination in the competition.

Our backline is still the problem. Nothing has really changed as far as speed goes. We have retained our week link (Aitken) at right centre and signed a couple of rookie wingers of which one (Rava) is struggling in first grade and the other still not promoted from Canterbury Cub. I'm hoping for Rava and Pearson to improve a lot and for Saab and possibly a really big fast first grade winger to be purchased prior to June 30.

Dufty will continue at fullback unless he costs us a few games, at which time I'm predicting Lomax to be given the number one jumper.
 

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Black boots, Origin hangovers and the 'c' word: How Frizell emerged as a leader
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Brad Walter NRL.com Senior Reporter
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Sat 11 May 2019, 07:01 AM
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“I try not to think about that ‘c’-word as a job title”.

That’s Tyson Frizell discussing the St George Illawarra captaincy and his under-stated leadership qualities after emerging as a contender for the role when Gareth Widdop returns to England at the end of the season.

Frizell didn’t play representative rugby league as a junior and began wearing black boots after being disappointed with his first two NRL appearances in a coloured pair so it is no surprise to learn that he had never captained any team until the 2017 Auckland Nines.

Dragons coach Paul McGregor last season elevated the Test and Origin forward to his leadership group, and he has shared the captain’s role with hooker Cameron McInnes and prop James Graham in Widdop’s absence due to a shoulder injury.

“I still find it pretty funny and pinch myself thinking, ‘what am I doing. Do I really deserve this role’,” Frizell said. “I had never thought about it in my whole career, being in the leadership group or anything like that.”

Frizell, who has again been one of the Dragons' best players since recovering from a ruptured testicle in the round one loss to North Queensland, doesn’t want to think about the possibility of taking over the captaincy now either.



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However, the 27-year-old international thrived on the responsibility last season when Widdop was injured and admits it made him consider his leadership style.

“I think I played some of my best footy last season when I shared the captaincy role with Cameron,” Frizell said. “You feel very grateful and honoured to be able to lead your team out, although it was under pretty bad circumstances in not having your actual captain there.

“I don’t want to be setting that as something I want to do. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn’t, I won’t be changing my role in the team. This is my second year of being in the leadership group and there are only four of us in it.

“You don’t want to change the player you are or the person you are to fit a captaincy role. At the end of the day it is just the ‘c’ against your name, and you get to flip the coin and lead the boys out.

“Being in that role is an honour but I try not to think about that ‘c’-word as a job title or anything like that because you are no different to anyone else on the team and you are just one of 17 players out there trying to get the win.”

Origin hangover
Besides the English pair of Widdop and Graham, Frizell is the most experienced in the Dragons squad and he recognised he had to show the way for team-mates Paul Vaughan, Tariq Sims and Jack de Belin who were playing State of Origin for the first time last season.

The Dragons' representation in Origin impacted their season and they lost momentum after winning 12 of their opening 15 matches.

Having played every Origin since his debut in the opening match of the 2016 season, Frizell felt he needed to show the Blues' rookies the way.

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An experienced Blues campaigner. :copyright:Nathan Hopkins/NRL Photos
“You can’t be sitting in the background, you have to step up and we were doing it pretty tough,” he said. “There was a couple of boys who were learning to come out of Origin because it is difficult.

“I had done it for a few years so I don’t have any excuses. I’ve learnt to cope with the highs and lows of Origin so it was a time where I had to put my hand up and have a go, not sit back and just let it all unfold because we were struggling a bit.

McGregor's influence
Frizell credits McGregor for helping him to develop from a player who was never on the radar at the Dragons, or any other NRL club, as a junior to one of the most dynamic forwards in the game.

“He’s very open and honest with us as a leadership group and he has been very good for my development as a player,” he said. “He works really hard behind the scenes and is very calm in his approach.

“That is probably one side he has learned to change. He will tell you himself that he has grown as a coach and he is wanting to learn as well. He has only been in the top coaching role for a while and he has definitely developed as a coach.

“When things aren’t going well some coaches get frustrated and change their approach to training but he was the same from round 1 to the finals series last year. “He was probably the most calm out of the whole group and that gave us all belief and confidence.”

Superstitions
Frizell always plays with his socks down and wears black boots.

He also wears short tights at the final training session before each game and, like many players, including Graham, he is superstitious about his preparation.

“I was wearing coloured boots when I played my first two NRL games and I played terrible,” Frizell said. “I questioned whether I was good enough to stick it out and play in the NRL. Then when I went from coloured boots to pure black boots in my second year, I felt like I belonged.

“When you take routine out of something that has worked you sort of freak out a bit. At the end of the day it is probably not going to affect you, but it is just a mental thing. I used to wear my socks up and then one game my socks were down and I had a good game so I left it from there.

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Tyson Frizell against the Bulldogs, 2019. :copyright:Robb Cox/NRL Photos
“I still strap my wrist and arms exactly the same way and I will only wear short tights on captain’s runs. It is something I did when I was at Cronulla and I still do it at Origin level and Aussie level.”

Frizell lives near Graham at Cronulla and the pair spend time together in the lead up to matches.

“We go for a coffee after captain’s run and we always get a treat. If we do well we will get exactly the same thing the next week.

“If I can’t make it for coffee, he will always make me feel bad. He will say ‘we won last week, you have got to come’. We played a game and leading into it we went for a sauna and a swim and we won so the next week we had to do the same thing.”



https://www.dragons.com.au/news/201...d-the-c-word-how-frizell-emerged-as-a-leader/
 

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St George Illawarra star Tyson Frizell urges caution in NRL debate surrounding interchange reduction
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On the charge: Tyson Frizell. Picture: AAP Image/Dan Peled.


St George Illawarra star Tyson Frizell has cautioned the NRL to think carefully before choosing to reduce the number of interchanges teams can use per game.

The NRL competition committee will meet next month to decide whether to cut the number of interchanges available and Frizell said player welfare should be the top consideration when making the decision.

A reduction from eight to seven or six would be the second change in four years, with the NRL reducing interchanges from 10 to eight prior to the 2016 season.

Frizell supported that move and said the reduction had made for a more exciting product, however he believes a further reduction would have diminishing returns.

"I don't know what benefits we're going to get," Frizell said. "We break it down to six and then people will say to go down to four.

"It's tough on players, people want to see a better and faster game but player welfare is what you need to look out for. I think eight's perfect, in Tests it's 10, and there's plenty of fatigue out there at the moment."

Central to the final decision will be the discussion surrounding whether a cut will increase the excitement of matches and how that interacts with concerns surrounding player welfare.

Debate remains over the effect of fatigue on injuries, with some arguing fatigue makes the game safer by reducing the impact of collisions, while others claim it makes players more susceptible to injuries.

For Frizell, player welfare should sit at the top of the list of considerations and he hopes players are consulted before a decision is made.

"I hope ex-players and people that have just finished playing have input, it's a lot different to what the game was 10 years ago. If they're looking to make that change, I hope there's players that are there to make the decision.

"Sometimes fans don't see the health and welfare of players, they just see what's exciting and what's going to get the best ratings. I hope those factors get weighed in the decision whether they want to change it.

"It doesn't really factor into me, I can play 80 minutes as an edge player, but I'm not sure what benefits they're going to see out of the suggested changes."


Frizell's comments come as the Dragons forwards ready for a challenging contest against an in-form Newcastle team in Mudgee.

The match will see likely NSW teammates face off with Frizell, Paul Vaughan and Tariq Sims lining up opposite David Klemmer.

For Frizell, such a challenge is exactly what his team needs as they look to bounce back from three-straight losses.

"It's going to be a good game up front, we've done it in the past, being able to get on top of them. But they're a new side, we're a different side at the moment, I'm looking forward to going out there and coming up against those guys.

"Their forwards have really stood up, that's why we've seen Pearce and Ponga controlling the game so well. They're playing nice flat and fast footy and they're getting some good go forward to let their guys play footy.

"They're doing it pretty consistently throughout the game, where probably in the past they've done it through patches. They've been playing pretty good footy, if we're going to play the way we did on the weekend, we're going to get our pants pulled down."

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...te-surrounding-interchange-reduction/?cs=3713
 

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"St George Illawarra star Tyson Frizell urges caution in NRL debate surrounding interchange reduction"

With all due respect to Tyson, his frame of reference here is probably out of whack. The way Mary is using his bench atm is probably akin to only having 4 or 6 interchanges.

e.g. carrying Lomax and not playing him or putting him on at lock for 7 mins (wtf), or carrying Aitken and subbing him for Lomax (double wtf), keeping Graham on for 65 mins, not trusting bench forwards with any substantial time (or promoting others from reserve grade) etc.

So Tyson might have a point in general, but if he is saying that there is fatigue out there in the team atm, perhaps it's time to rethink current tactics which are not working on the scoreboard, and it seems not working for the players according to this evidence.
 

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I dont know why Frizell is worried, the Dragons are already playing with a reduced interchange. This would suit them down to the ground, they wouldn't have to change anything.
 

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I dont know why Frizell is worried, the Dragons are already playing with a reduced interchange. This would suit them down to the ground, they wouldn't have to change anything.
I've always thought that a 10 man bench is the way to go. 'When you come off, you stay off', I believe would be a rule that will only improve the game.
 

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I've always thought that a 10 man bench is the way to go. 'When you come off, you stay off', I believe would be a rule that will only improve the game.
That would require a pretty long bench. Knowing that our coach would only use 6 of the 10, we could raffle off the other four to fans. The only problem would come if Mary accidentally threw a 60 year old fat bloke into the game to play in the middle for the last eight minutes.
 

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Blues coach Fittler visits Frizell following sickening KO
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Brad Walter NRL.com Senior Reporter
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Sun 26 May 2019, 08:48 PM
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NSW coach Brad Fittler is confident Tyson Frizell will be cleared to take his place in the Blues team for the opening State of Origin after a sickening head clash with Cronulla centre Josh Dugan in St George Illawarra’s 22-9 loss at WIN Stadium on Sunday.

Fittler was on hand at the match in his role with the Channel Nine commentary team and he visited Frizell in the Dragons dressing room at half-time after the star second-rower was knocked out in the 32nd minute incident.

"I went down and talked to Friz at half-time and he wanted to go back on," Fittler said.

"I think he got cleared by the medical staff, obviously not to come back on but I think he is OK.

"I think that is his first concussion and we will just follow protocol. I am not sure when he can train but we will work that out.”



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Frizell was one of three St George Illawarra players who failed to return in the second half, with centre Tim Lafai and prop James Graham suffering ankle injuries.

Graham was in a moon boot after the game and Lafai left the ground on crutches.

"We’ve got a bit of a MASH unit downstairs, to be honest," Dragons coach Paul McGregor said.

"Tyson was up and about at half-time but he was in state to go back on the field.

"I am not sure about Origin, I will leave that to the doctors but he knows the score line and all things like that so he looks OK."

McGregor said Frizell had not been concussed previously this season but missed two games after a painful testicle injury in the opening round and suffered a poke in the eye against Parramatta recently.

"He hasn’t finished many games for us this year," McGregor said.

"He obviously had those couple of injuries early and hasn’t been able to really complete 80 minutes which is unfortunate because he is an important player and it is coming into an important time for himself as well, with Origin just around the corner."

Five-eighth Corey Norman is due back from a fractured cheekbone in St George Illawarra’s next match against Canterbury on June 10, while forward Korbin Sims returned from a broken arm in the loss to the Sharks.

However, Graham and Lafai may now join captain Gareth Widdop (shoulder) and lock Jack de Belin (stood down) on the sidelines.

"At the moment I don’t know the extent but if James doesn’t come back on the field it is a bad one, one would think," McGregor said. "He is in a boot and Lafai is on crutches as well so they are both highly unlikely but we have got the bye next week so that helps."



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Despite St George Illawarra’s fifth consecutive defeat, McGregor was upbeat and praised back-up hooker Reece Robson, who had to play long minutes off the interchange bench, along with second-rowers Jacob Host and Luciano Leilua.

"I’m not shattered by that performance, I am actually excited," McGregor said. "It is a big difference within seven days but it wasn’t good enough.

"I was disappointed last week after a very ordinary performance [against Newcastle] but I thought we were very brave and courageous at times."

https://www.dragons.com.au/news/201...ittler-visits-frizell-following-sickening-ko/
 

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Frizell brightens fan's day despite concussion
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St George Illawarra back-rower Tyson Frizell's sickening head clash with former teammate Josh Dugan in the first half of the Dragons' loss to the Sharks over the weekend spelled bad news for all and sundry.

Everyone, except for one Dragons fan.

There was one little bloke who you'd be hard-pressed to wipe the smile off his face come game's end, despite the 13-point loss to Cronulla.

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Issac, who hails from Blacktown, was lucky enough to take home Frizell's indigenous-themed boots for the long trek home from Wollongong.

Frizell, not content with tempting fate of a second concussion while wearing the boots, is okay and is expected to line-up for New South Wales in State of Origin I next week.

While it will be a long time before Issac grows into the boots, it's a safe bet that he'll be showing off his new favourite possession at St Claire's Comets training this week.

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https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2019/05/30/frizell-brightens-fans-day-despite-concussion/
 

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