The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[gallagher]

The only 2 that are comparable
Canterbury to Moore Park and Fremantle to Burswood. Both similar distance and time.

 

[Iamback]

Sometimes people who keep failing need some outside help! 45mins isnt a hardship for a Sat or Sun game.
So whats your answer? Sydney crowd have been stagnant for 20 years, not every club is going to get a $300mill new stadium. So what do you suggest should happen?

Having state of the art new stadiums with one NRL club in them whilst other clubs are playing what could be big drawing games in dilapidated suburban grounds in front of 13k seems such a waste.

Smiths idea of hosting NRL 'events" at the new SFS regularly with blockbuster games and the NRL controlling the match day experience is the way to go to at least start to make Sydney NRL look like a top tier sport.

I'd have Friday night game at SFS marketing to the city after work crowd and young adult fans and a Sunday afternoon blockbuster at WSS marketed towards families. NRL gives the club $200k for losing the home game and controls ticket prices and game day experience, both sets of full members get into the game. Just try something different for a change!

Again why would of neutral pay $30 to watch a game because they work in the city?
You save that until your side pays

 

[Colk]

People aren’t suggesting that you don’t play any games at Campelltown or Manly or Win or Cronulla at all, you just don’t play at them when you are playing fellow Sydney teams, particularly those opposition teams that can draw big support across Sydney.

The biggest problem is obviously getting to these outer suburban grounds, which in turn presents a problem because you are locking out thousands of opposition supporters

Looking at the clubs like Dragons and Tigers, they would be able to draw big support from more central parts of Sydney, so why wouldn’t or shouldn’t they play at Commbank or SFS for their bigger games instead of decrepit grounds like Leichhardt or Kograh which belong to the last century.

Manly and Sharks need to draw supporters from outside their area anyway so it is also in their best interests to move their bigger games to the SFS

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

New York City has more traffic congestion than Sydney, yet it doesn't stop their two NFL clubs from drawing massive crowds at a centralised stadium just 8 km west of the CBD.

 

[Colk]

Tigers would have fans from Campbelltown which puts them in the same boat as us.
45 mins-60 mins extra each way for those fans.
There is a reason so few go to away games. Certainly not on week nights

So? They would have fans in the inner west as well, so unless they build a better stadium in or near Campbelltown and there is a significant upgrade in transport, this debate will always go on.

The best decision for the Tigers (and the Dogs) would be to have a brand spanking new shared stadium in Liverpool adjacent to public transport. Seeing that it is unlikely, they should just play the Eels, Rabbits etc at CommBank where the most amount of people can get to and at Campbeltown against teams like Canberra, Cowboys, Knights etc where there isn’t a lot of Sydney support.

In any case, any decision one makes is going to negatively impact somebody or positively impact somebody. You need to find what is most accessible to the most amount of people.

 

[Iamback]

So? They would have fans in the inner west as well, so unless they build a better stadium in or near Campbelltown and there is a significant upgrade in transport, this debate will always go on.

The best decision for the Tigers (and the Dogs) would be to have a brand spanking new shared stadium in Liverpool adjacent to public transport. Seeing that it is unlikely, they should just play the Eels, Rabbits etc at CommBank where the most amount of people can get to and at Campbeltown against teams like Canberra, Cowboys, Knights etc where there isn’t a lot of Sydney support.

In any case, any decision one makes is going to negatively impact somebody or positively impact somebody. You need to find what is most accessible to the most amount of people.

Round 1 they played in a brand new shiny stadium. Didn't help the crowds.

Or you just do what suits members and sponsors

 

[Perth Red]

With Google Maps times:

Canterbury to Moore Park 11km (26 min (20.4 km) via M5 and M1) - where did you get 11km? as the crow flies?
Balmain to Moore Park 10km (21 min (8.9 km) via Cleveland St) - very few WT supporters actually live in Balmain
Kogarah to Moore Park 15km (20 min (15.4 km) via M1) - not all Dragons fans live in Kogarah; they have to drive to Kogarah, then Moore Park?
Cronulla to Moore Park 26km (46 min (25.5 km) via Princes Hwy/A36)

These are Tuesday night post peak hour optimistic estimates.

Fremantle to Optus Stadium 21km (32 min (19.2 km) via Canning Hwy/State Route 6)

Sydney is renowned as one of the most complex sports/entertainment cities in the world. You're oversimplifying the situation.

Thanks for proving my point re travel times, and very few freo fans live in fremantle, most are further south heading all the way to mandurah.
canterbury to central is a 19min train journey. We aren’t talking. Massive distances here lol

cronulla would be the outlier but no one is suggesting they should move all games there, just the ones with potential to draw more than 25k if ran right

 

[Perth Red]

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Round 1 they played in a brand new shiny stadium. Didn't help the crowds.

Or you just do what suits members and sponsors

And dI’d nothing to fill it other than hope people would turn up to see a team that is shthouse at the moment. What it shows is a shiny stadium isn’t enough on its own.

 

[Iamback]

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And dI’d nothing to fill it other than hope people would turn up to see a team that is shthouse at the moment. What it shows is a shiny stadium isn’t enough on its own.

garbage. It was round 1 that is always hyped up.

 

[Perth Red]

Again why would of neutral pay $30 to watch a game because they work in the city?
You save that until your side pays

Because it’s an event and great night out regardless of whose playing. but neutrals would be the bonus, it’s the the sets of fans of both clubs you want there in big numbers. 10-15k of each club plus 2-5k neutrals would be a good target. You’d make it free entry for full members of both clubs and reduced ticket prices for non ticketed club members and members of other clubs For the Friday night games at sfs and a great family deal with food etc for the Sunday afternoon game at commbank. Sht Sydney has over 5 million people, it shouldn’t be hard to get 30k of them to the cities main professional sport!

 

[Iamback]

Because it’s an event and great night out regardless of whose playing. but neutrals would be the bonus, it’s the the sets of fans of both clubs you want there in big numbers. 10-15k of each club plus 2-5k neutrals would be a good target. You’d make it free entry for full members of both clubs and reduced ticket prices for non ticketed club members and members of other clubs For the Friday night games at sfs and a great family deal with food etc for the Sunday afternoon game at commbank. Sht Sydney has over 5 million people, it shouldn’t be hard to get 30k of them to the cities main professional sport!

The last pre covid year 2019

1.2m people attended RL in Sydney. No other place in the world comes close.

This is despite the poor scheduling and other issues. I will agree a few tweeks are needed. Like needing to use the public holidays better

 

[Jamberoo]

The last pre covid year 2019

1.2m people attended RL in Sydney. No other place in the world comes close.

This is despite the poor scheduling and other issues. I will agree a few tweeks are needed. Like not using the public holidays better

1.2m is nothing to boast about with so many teams. Is there any other city in the world that has more than two RL teams? Melbourne got over 3m and Perth got that almost that many in 2018 with just two teams. There is potential to do so much better.

 

[Jamberoo]

People aren’t suggesting that you don’t play any games at Campelltown or Manly or Win or Cronulla at all, you just don’t play at them when you are playing fellow Sydney teams, particularly those opposition teams that can draw big support across Sydney.

The biggest problem is obviously getting to these outer suburban grounds, which in turn presents a problem because you are locking out thousands of opposition supporters

Looking at the clubs like Dragons and Tigers, they would be able to draw big support from more central parts of Sydney, so why wouldn’t or shouldn’t they play at Commbank or SFS for their bigger games instead of decrepit grounds like Leichhardt or Kograh which belong to the last century.

Manly and Sharks need to draw supporters from outside their area anyway so it is also in their best interests to move their bigger games to the SFS

Correct. The VFL decided in 1970 to build their own ground and have neutral games at a much bigger stadium. All clubs - even Geelong (two hours away then) played two home games there in the 70s and 80s. Average crowds for those games were double. It can work.

 

[Jamberoo]

The only 2 that are comparable
Canterbury to Moore Park and Fremantle to Burswood. Both similar distance and time.

What about Geelong to the MCG? 80km and well over an hour. Geelong play two home games at the MCG and average 70k there against the usual 30k. It can work.

 

[Iamback]

1.2m is nothing to boast about with so many teams. Is there any other city in the world that has more than two RL teams? Melbourne got over 3m and Perth got that almost that many in 2018 with just two teams. There is potential to do so much better.

You aren't going to go to a game that isn't your team play though. And with so many bad timeslots you basically have a sport setup for TV. That is where the growth is coming
Better weather. Some of the poor teams being competitive will help but you aren't going to get much movement

 

[Tiger Shark]

New York City has more traffic congestion than Sydney, yet it doesn't stop their two NFL clubs from drawing massive crowds at a centralised stadium just 8 km west of the CBD.

Oh god, you didn't think this once through did you. No surprise considering your attempt to be an expert at cities you dont live in.

New York city has 8 million plus people!

Metlife stadium has 28,000 car spaces and has a train station right next to it.

Getting 75k people to attend 8 games a year per team is hardly a feat. Having been to games at those stadiums and baseball games in NY the trains are super easy and doesn't take long what so ever to get there.

Plus enough car spaces to cater for a third of their average crowds.

 

[Iamback]

Oh god, you didn't think this once through did you. No surprise considering your attempt to be an expert at cities you dont live in.

New York city has 8 million plus people!

Metlife stadium has 28,000 car spaces and has a train station right next to it.

Getting 75k people to attend 8 games a year per team is hardly a feat. Having been to games at those stadiums and baseball games in NY the trains are super easy and doesn't take long what so ever to get there.

Plus enough car spaces to cater for a third of their average crowds.

Also pretty much every game is on a Sunday. NBA, NHL and MLB get games even half full when played in other times

That is it. People just think because x place does it that it will work everywhere.
NRL coaches, CEO's etc visit these places regularly. If it was possible to do what they do they would

 

[MugaB]

Oh god, you didn't think this once through did you. No surprise considering your attempt to be an expert at cities you dont live in.

New York city has 8 million plus people!

Metlife stadium has 28,000 car spaces and has a train station right next to it.

Getting 75k people to attend 8 games a year per team is hardly a feat. Having been to games at those stadiums and baseball games in NY the trains are super easy and doesn't take long what so ever to get there.

Plus enough car spaces to cater for a third of their average crowds.

Yes NY has a population the size of Sydney and Brisbane put together, which are the most heartland areas the NRL has, and thats just one U.S city, add the other 49 states and we are extremely nićhe, so comparing Rugba leg to anything in america is plain stöõpid...
We are a better sport and better tv product, than the Gridion, its just they are never going to ever jump ship, due to how invested they are to their own countries code, much like trying to get Victoria to stop watching AFL, or NZ dropping RU for League... V'dog's right, cant waste efforts on rusted on AFL cities, when RL could get stronger in places they are not

 

[Perth Red]

Yes NY has a population the size of Sydney and Brisbane put together, which are the most heartland areas the NRL has, and thats just one U.S city, add the other 49 states and we are extremely nićhe, so comparing Rugba leg to anything in america is plain stöõpid...
We are a better sport and better tv product, than the Gridion, its just they are never going to ever jump ship, due to how invested they are to their own countries code, much like trying to get Victoria to stop watching AFL, or NZ dropping RU for League... V'dog's right, cant waste efforts on rusted on AFL cities, when RL could get stronger in places they are not

RL could certainly do with getting stronger in Sydney! Tv audiences and attendances are pretty ordinary for a city that size that's supposedly the heartland of the game. But we digress from stadiums, though its all linked and if it would be better to have the smith approach with 3 or 4 amazing stadiums for clubs to share and shared big games at big stadiums, or if the Vlandys approach will prove better with some clubs getting new stadiums and others getting some upgrades to their suburban grounds. I dont see a lot of movement in Sydney crowds with the Vlandys approach but time will tell.

 

[Jamberoo]

RL could certainly do with getting stronger in Sydney! Tv audiences and attendances are pretty ordinary for a city that size that's supposedly the heartland of the game. But we digress from stadiums, though its all linked and if it would be better to have the smith approach with 3 or 4 amazing stadiums for clubs to share and shared big games at big stadiums, or if the Vlandys approach will prove better with some clubs getting new stadiums and others getting some upgrades to their suburban grounds. I dont see a lot of movement in Sydney crowds with the Vlandys approach but time will tell.

You won't get any growth with the PVL strategy, but you still need to improve and update facilities to maintain what you have. Perhaps that is all the NRL is aiming for - 13k-15k crowds in 18K-20K stadiums. NRL may consider this an acceptable outcome, especially post-COVID. I would just like to see their strategic plan around crowds and stadiums.