The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[flippikat]

There just wouldn’t be enough talent for a 24 team competition. You could maybe argue for a 20 team competition over the next 15-20 years with the right investments in pathways and really ripping the heart out of Rugby Union in the Pacific

Yeah, that's my gut feeling too.

Although I'd love to say we can easily make the depth for 20+ teams, in practice it's a long road.. and one that previous administrations have dropped the ball on (no pun intended).

 

[Iamback]

While the idea of a 24 team NRL would cover off lucrative expansion markets AND preserve tribal, historic rivalries.. the big question is whether we have the depth (in coaching & sponsorship as well as players) to do that AND have a competitive competition.

Those of us here that propose further rationalizing Sydney argue that the players & coaching talent it frees-up will help expansion teams, and the less cluttered Sydney market will make it easier for the remaining Sydney clubs to secure decent sponsorship.

If we JUST expand (to 17.. then 18.. then maybe 20 or beyond), can we grow the pool fast enough to accommodate it without creating junk clubs?

NZ and Pacific talent is untapped

It is why NZ 2 would be my team 18. Tap into that market

PNG in 10-15 years might be viable too.

Needs forward planning though to commit resources to plan

 

[Colk]

NZ and Pacific talent is untapped

It is why NZ 2 would be my team 18. Tap into that market

PNG in 10-15 years might be viable too.

Needs forward planning though to commit resources to plan

To be frank, there is already a lot of Pacific and NZ talent in the competition. It can be improved for sure but not enough for another seven sides.

I think NZ 2 is a good idea still but the Warriors’ struggles worry me immensely. There really needs to be a concerted push to help them and the new side get a proper footing. It can’t be considered as simply a Sky TV cash cow.

PNG is just not an option. It is a third world country with huge numbers of crime, multidimensional poverty and political corruption, so until they become a developed country (or at least stable economically and socially) then forget it.

 

[MugaB]

How would West Tigers affect Bulldogs support? Are you suggesting that Dogs fans have changed clubs?

It wouldn't,

While the idea of a 24 team NRL would cover off lucrative expansion markets AND preserve tribal, historic rivalries.. the big question is whether we have the depth (in coaching & sponsorship as well as players) to do that AND have a competitive competition.

Those of us here that propose further rationalizing Sydney argue that the players & coaching talent it frees-up will help expansion teams, and the less cluttered Sydney market will make it easier for the remaining Sydney clubs to secure decent sponsorship.

If we JUST expand (to 17.. then 18.. then maybe 20 or beyond), can we grow the pool fast enough to accommodate it without creating junk clubs?

We already have junk clubs, but that doesn't mean they'll stay that way forever, dogs, titans, tigers, to some extent warriors, that 4 teams that are not considered successful for the past 5 years, having more teams doesn't mean more junk teams, there will always be losers every year, the more we expanded the more talent gets an opportunity at 1st grade, if you cull teams there is less chance to get an extra 17 players playing on the top comp, there are tons of 1st grade players playing reserve grade, coz they don't get a shot, or are stuck behind your tedescos, clearys and DCEs, its not the salary caps causing this issue, its the lack of 1st grade opportunity... there are players that will play in expansion teams if they are there for that opportunity, if you take one away that doesn't happen..

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah, that's my gut feeling too.

Although I'd love to say we can easily make the depth for 20+ teams, in practice it's a long road.. and one that previous administrations have dropped the ball on (no pun intended).

Yes and no, end of day it’s about three things, participation levels, elite development pathways and opportunity. panthers have shown that if you get the development system right you can do it in 5 years.

I don’t see the amount of talent as an issue as much as the spread of it, alongside the quality of head coaches in nrl.

set up elite systems in Fiji, nz, png, setup better scouting in uk, France and union countries and sort out reserve grade and you could easily generate talent for 20-24 clubs.

after that the money side of it is a interesting one, in theory clubs will spend whatever they earn, the games no bigger or better now clubs get $15mill a year grant than 20 years ago when they got $3mill grants.

 

[macavity]

The “no talent” thing is BS. There’s enough talent it is just concentrated at a handful of clubs.

 

[Colk]

The “no talent” thing is BS. There’s enough talent it is just concentrated at a handful of clubs.

Yes and no. I think there is definitely enough athletes (backs and forwards) to spread around the existing clubs and maybe another one or two. You’re also right about the division of talent.

There might not be enough spine players going around though, particularly for any extra sides.

 

[macavity]

Yes and no. I think there is definitely enough athletes (backs and forwards) to spread around the existing clubs and maybe another one or two. You’re also right about the division of talent.

There might not be enough spine players going around though, particularly for any extra sides.

every winger thinks they should play fullback

Every prop thinks they should play halfback

 

[baselinepanther]

Anyone advocating 24 sides need their heads read
the NFL has 32 teams & has an 330 million people to draw on , while we wouldn't have 5% of that including elements of NZ , & the pacific etc.

2023 17 Dolphins
2026 18 NZ2
2031 or 2035.. 20 Perth & Brisb 3( Jets)

Australias population will still only be 28.5 Million in 2031 , 30 million in 2035 , & mainly increasing via asian & south asian migration & they have no interest in any of our football codes

 

[Colk]

every winger thinks they should play fullback

Every prop thinks they should play halfback

I wouldn’t blame a winger trying to be a fullback. There’s a much bigger payday for them.

 

[Suitman]

So, how are the future NRL stadiums coming along?
Geez this thread gets so derailed at times.
I do my best to keep it on track but fmd....!!!

 

[beave]

So, how are the future NRL stadiums coming along?
Geez this thread gets so derailed at times.
I do my best to keep it on track but fmd....!!!

It was a good thread once upon a time.........

 

[TheEroticGamer]

So, how are the future NRL stadiums coming along?
Geez this thread gets so derailed at times.
I do my best to keep it on track but fmd....!!!

Stadiums? This thread is where reductionist arguments about removing Sydney teams are made endlessly by people who have never stepped inside the city.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Any news on the redevelopment of Brookvale Oval?

I'd love to see a nice grandstand constructed on the eastern terrace within the next two seasons.

two seasons is probably wishful thinking. if they can get enough money maybe,
BUT
they do have a whole master plan you can suss, whoch IMo would be a great thing for Manly to have if this were achieved.

https://eservices.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/ePlanning/live/Common/Output/LoadAppPropDoc.ashx?id=QEgilmTGfGEV0A60ki4OEg%253d%253d

 

[mongoose]

Stadiums? This thread is where reductionist arguments about removing Sydney teams are made endlessly by people who have never stepped inside the city.

I think there is only 1 poster who keeps suggesting Sydney teams should be culled. I do think all 9 Sydney clubs should be playing majority of their games at modern up to standard grounds. You can level criticisms at non sydney clubs but that fact is Broncos, Storm, Titans, Cowboys, Knights and even Raiders and Warriors all have better grounds than where some of the Sydney clubs choose to play.

 

[MugaB]

I think there is only 1 poster who keeps suggesting Sydney teams should be culled. I do think all 9 Sydney clubs should be playing majority of their games at modern up to standard grounds. You can level criticisms at non sydney clubs but that fact is Broncos, Storm, Titans, Cowboys, Knights and even Raiders and Warriors all have better grounds than where some of the Sydney clubs choose to play.

Is that poster THAT f**kWIT from logan GROTD? he seems to be the only dickbag around here that wants to rip apart the NRL, from hating on the broncos, to hating on any club in sydney, then now putting on expansion bids that haven't even bid yet, all for some phantom NRL licence that he thinks shoud go to Logan, Perth, Adelaide and most importantly Singapore... F...M...D!!

And to be clear an NRL licence isn't valuable, it doesn't just transfer if you boot out one team, to give to another.. he thinks that if sydney shrinks from 9 clubs to 6 that 3 licenses will go elsewhere... dumb fk, PVL can hand them out like lollies if he wants to... whats important is keeping the current brands alive, then adding (EXPANDing) to them.. consolidation will never happen again, they've seen the outcome the first time it happened after SL

 

[Iamback]

To be frank, there is already a lot of Pacific and NZ talent in the competition. It can be improved for sure but not enough for another seven sides.

I think NZ 2 is a good idea still but the Warriors’ struggles worry me immensely. There really needs to be a concerted push to help them and the new side get a proper footing. It can’t be considered as simply a Sky TV cash cow.

PNG is just not an option. It is a third world country with huge numbers of crime, multidimensional poverty and political corruption, so until they become a developed country (or at least stable economically and socially) then forget it.

PNG has a team in QLD which has had very few players graduate
Fiji in Ron Massey Cup has been disrupted by Covid to judge them

There are two options right there that can add to the player pool with better development

Dolphin's will develop talent eventually AS will Team 18. So Getting 20 teams atleast will be easy enough

 

[Colk]

PNG has a team in QLD which has had very few players graduate
Fiji in Ron Massey Cup has been disrupted by Covid to judge them

There are two options right there that can add to the player pool with better development

Dolphin's will develop talent eventually AS will Team 18. So Getting 20 teams atleast will be easy enough

I don’t think Fiji and PNG are realistic options for NRL sides, at least not in the short to medium term. I agree that those areas can be improved with regards to development though

 

[baselinepanther]

I see stick is sticking it into the Govt, govts .. about Canberra stadium backed by " senator" David Pocock
It cost the rugby on Saturday night & The Raiders the following day plenty of attendees & the call on the federal govt to invest in their federal capital is growing loud & strong

https://twitter.com/pocockdavid/sta...am39.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7256&start=15

 

[Iamback]

I see stick is sticking it into the Govt, govts .. about Canberra stadium backed by " senator" David Pocock
It cost the rugby on Saturday night & The Raiders the following day plenty of attendees & the call on the federal govt to invest in their federal capital is growing loud & strong

https://twitter.com/pocockdavid/sta...am39.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7256&start=15

It will cost Wallabies games etc in the future.

Even smaller drawing games can go to SFS, CommBank or Penrith in the future