The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[MugaB]

of course it is, but the public sentiment I have seen so far is very much not with Vlandys! Its very hard to argue against the govt saying what they are saying, and it doesnt come across well. It has also painted them into a corner now as they cant move on it as they would look like they are taking money from flood victims! Its a dumb strategy and typical Vlandys.

f**k public sentiment, bunch of woke ass left wing morons, who are generally eating up whatever the suck ups in the govt are spilling out, till they get found out and quit or forcibly removed from office... like f**k me what do we have do to get an honest politician in NSW FFS

 

[MugaB]

We need Rob Borbidge, NSW under perroTIT is f**ked

 

[Iamback]

No difference really, GF at suncorp last year made no difference.... Origin in Perth no difference, Magic round in Auckland, now Brissy... im not seeing a problem, Sydney doesn't deserve to have it right now, as it doesn't look after its clubs or stadia, its going cheap and trying to push all clubs to Commbank, Accor, or the new SFS, forget suburbian grounds, nswgovt couldn't give a shit, it would prefer to bump its own politicians salary

Magic round wouldn't go to NZ for only a year though. It would be a 3 year minimum type of thing, It allows the issues to get ironed out. You can't have a GF with teams not knowing when they fly out. Do the Women's GF stay before etc.

I am no fan of the Govt but if Penrith still goes ahead that is 3 new Stadiums that RL can use, No other state has that though. Not to mention all that was proposed was doing the suburban grounds as a staggered approach rather than instantly.

Given the current Govt is very likely not in office next March, Then best to not sulk before then. Or the suburban grounds don't get done at all. NSW should have to pay to host this year though,

Give the new government until June next year to sort it or tender it out but tender it as 3-5 year blocks

 

[Iamback]

I doubt the NSW govt ever thought tarting up suburban dumps owned by councils or private owners was a good spend, Vlandys gave them an out on the accor spend, they took it then played him like a fiddle.

It is what governments do. They also scrap these things should a new party take over

 

[Perth Red]

I do wonder though if spending that much money on properties not owned by NSW govt might have caused problems in some way? End of day Shark Park is a private owned property, Govt giving a private owner $100mill to improve their property is an interesting one. Maybe they decided it was easier to scrap it? As you say Sydney got hopefully three state of the art stadiums from the Govt, plus a heap of centre of excellence funding, not a bad outcome if the game changes to take max benefit from it.

 

[Frailty]

I do wonder though if spending that much money on properties not owned by NSW govt might have caused problems in some way? End of day Shark Park is a private owned property, Govt giving a private owner $100mill to improve their property is an interesting one. Maybe they decided it was easier to scrap it? As you say Sydney got hopefully three state of the art stadiums from the Govt, plus a heap of centre of excellence funding, not a bad outcome if the game changes to take max benefit from it.

This is a key factor (or it should be). Unless NRL can sell the community value of funding a private ground, there is no real way to sell it. For government owned stadiums, the selling point is that it is an investment in an ongoing revenue stream for government (though I question how much they are making through Allianz and Accor).

 

[Wb1234]

Your

Vlandys has screwed this up big time.. now we Awating blow up here via @TheRam

Geez a lot of PVL haters here past few days
I don't think he has fkd up, if anything this is a win/win situation, makes the govt look like fkwits for not seeing thru with the plan, remember there are a shitton of infrastructure jobs that become of all these upgrades and new stadia, so the NSW govt are fking them over, along with whoever else they seem to be shitting on... currently teachers, nurses and transport... PVL has every right to demand answers, and if its all heresay, take the GF to Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane or better yet Auckland for those League fans who have missed out on regular RL matches these past 2 years... and make that host city pay up, do that every year, and watch the average punter crack the shits at perrotte, as PVL keeps on explaining why Sydney isn't getting the biggest game of the year... then start saving all that cash and use it to fix up these suburbian grounds for the next 3 seasons, till dominic gets booted out of office, PVL will return the GF as a thank you to the NSW punters, after the govt realizes not to undermine or underestimate Rugba Leig at its own peril

pvl haters just upset he made fun of their favourite sport (afl)

many actual league fan can see what he’s done for the game

the guy is the most important politician in nsw, and that’s including albo

 

[Wb1234]

This is a key factor (or it should be). Unless NRL can sell the community value of funding a private ground, there is no real way to sell it. For government owned stadiums, the selling point is that it is an investment in an ongoing revenue stream for government (though I question how much they are making through Allianz and Accor).

The nrl doesn’t have to sell anything

this is purely a commercial decision by both parties

the arlc gives up selling the grand final to the highest bidder and in return the government buildthe grounds the nrl wants

if the government doesn’t want to do that due to worries about voter backlash that’s fine just don’t complain when vlnadys does what’s best for rugby league

obviously taking the grand final away from Sydney is the best thing for the game in terms of revenue and growing the sport

other than commbank the grounds aren’t being done purely to satisfy the wishes of rugby league

 

[Timbo]

I do think it's worth noting that with the rebuilt SFS, Sydney now has more large scale modern stadiums than any other city in the country (Homebush, SFS, Parramatta, SCG, Showground).

I can see the argument that the NSW Government is making here when they say how much more do you want us to invest? Even more so if the Penrith revamp does manage to go ahead.

 

[Wb1234]

Having it a different place every year won't work. Likely someone gets it for multiple years as it brings stability for Sponsors, Fans and all involved

Works fine for the super bowl

 

[Wb1234]

No difference really, GF at suncorp last year made no difference.... Origin in Perth no difference, Magic round in Auckland, now Brissy... im not seeing a problem, Sydney doesn't deserve to have it right now, as it doesn't look after its clubs or stadia, its going cheap and trying to push all clubs to Commbank, Accor, or the new SFS, forget suburbian grounds, nswgovt couldn't give a shit, it would prefer to bump its own politicians salary

I remember when the World Cup was here and the nsw govt wouldn’t pay for games so they got none

home of rugby league lmao

 

[Iamback]

Works fine for the super bowl

Different circumstances, For starters they get a weekend over before the game

 

[MugaB]

I remember when the World Cup was here and the nsw govt wouldn’t pay for games so they got none

home of rugby league lmao

NSW govt seems to not know its people really

 

[Colk]

NSW govt is fkd....
Ive lived in sydney my whole life, the govt is all about bumping their own salary, and taxing us moreso, but can't fix a fkn pothole, or has slackarse roadworks everywhere, to slow you down, like seriously, my mum live up in SEQ and the govt tends to all that stuff straight away, for a city that so laid back, brisbane or qld in general are right on in regards to public service, my sister lives in Brissy, says the roads are spot on, barely a few days before potholes or random roadwork ever gets in the way, takes sydney a month, to get shit done... and dont start me on public transport... each NRL club has a state of the art stadium, shows you the difference in the way all our states behave

Completely concur with that MugaB. Sydney is a complete dog’s breakfast. Part of the problem is that it id not on a grid; however some issues are only being fixed up in terms of public transport

 

[MugaB]

Different circumstances, For starters they get a weekend over before the game

So what, spend a 5 days to week there, how much lead time do you need... is it all about you setting up your hotel room, or is it about boosting the local economy, and both, i don't see a difference where its played really, i mean if you're a real club member you'll travel to Sydney to watch the cowboys for example play in a GF, and if the GFs in Perth then you travel there too from Townsville, tge fact there's 9 yeams in Sydney means shit if its dragons vs storm GF, someones bound to travel somewhere

 

[Colk]

Awating blow up here via @TheRam

Geez a lot of PVL haters here past few days
I don't think he has fkd up, if anything this is a win/win situation, makes the govt look like fkwits for not seeing thru with the plan, remember there are a shitton of infrastructure jobs that become of all these upgrades and new stadia, so the NSW govt are fking them over, along with whoever else they seem to be shitting on... currently teachers, nurses and transport... PVL has every right to demand answers, and if its all heresay, take the GF to Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane or better yet Auckland for those League fans who have missed out on regular RL matches these past 2 years... and make that host city pay up, do that every year, and watch the average punter crack the shits at perrotte, as PVL keeps on explaining why Sydney isn't getting the biggest game of the year... then start saving all that cash and use it to fix up these suburbian grounds for the next 3 seasons, till dominic gets booted out of office, PVL will return the GF as a thank you to the NSW punters, after the govt realizes not to undermine or underestimate Rugba Leig at its own peril

Look I think V’Landys has done a very good job on some accounts. The game in particular is in much better financial health now.

A couple of reasons why he is being criticised:

1. Optics are important. I am aware that the amount is small in terms of the whole budget or that the money is not totally going to be apportioned to the floods etc but criticising the government for seemingly spending on that in lieu of money for expenditure into a private enterprise like the NRL is making seem callous or out of touch. He needs to be tread a more nuanced line.

2. The biggest for me is criticising the SFS stadium being built and stating that 10k is optimal. Firstly it shows a lack of ambition and secondly criticising the SFS makes him and by extension the game seem completely ungrateful

 

[yadamisha]

I was on the tryline in the corner of Cowboys Stadium for $70.

That's robbery

 

[Timbo]

2. The biggest for me is criticising the SFS stadium being built and stating that 10k is optimal. Firstly it shows a lack of ambition and secondly criticising the SFS makes him and by extension the game seem completely ungrateful

"WE WANT MONEY SPENT ON NEW STADIUMS"

"No problem, here's a billion dollars for state of the art stadiums in Moore Park and Parramatta"

"NO! THOSE ARE TOO NICE!"

PVL's rant in a nutshell right now.

 

[Iamback]

So what, spend a 5 days to week there, how much lead time do you need... is it all about you setting up your hotel room, or is it about boosting the local economy, and both, i don't see a difference where its played really, i mean if you're a real club member you'll travel to Sydney to watch the cowboys for example play in a GF, and if the GFs in Perth then you travel there too from Townsville, tge fact there's 9 yeams in Sydney means shit if its dragons vs storm GF, someones bound to travel somewhere

In the week of the GF. Are you not having the GF teams attend the Dally M's?
Doing members days in the home cities?
Bringing corporates over?
What about the game day itself. Are the NSW Cup v QLD cup game and the womens going ahead?

Bris or Sydney is not so bad because it is a direct flight from anywhere. It is also short enough where you could send the women's and lower grades across the night before.

So that is why somewhere different is more of a logistical hurdle and why it is better IF they go down that path to do it in multiple year blocks

 

[Perth Red]

"We didnt want a state of the art stadium as we dont have many fans, we wanted small grounds people could walk to". Seriously? What leader says this?