The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[TheRam]

Awating blow up here via @TheRam

Geez a lot of PVL haters here past few days
I don't think he has fkd up, if anything this is a win/win situation, makes the govt look like fkwits for not seeing thru with the plan, remember there are a shitton of infrastructure jobs that become of all these upgrades and new stadia, so the NSW govt are fking them over, along with whoever else they seem to be shitting on... currently teachers, nurses and transport... PVL has every right to demand answers, and if its all heresay, take the GF to Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane or better yet Auckland for those League fans who have missed out on regular RL matches these past 2 years... and make that host city pay up, do that every year, and watch the average punter crack the shits at perrotte, as PVL keeps on explaining why Sydney isn't getting the biggest game of the year... then start saving all that cash and use it to fix up these suburbian grounds for the next 3 seasons, till dominic gets booted out of office, PVL will return the GF as a thank you to the NSW punters, after the govt realizes not to undermine or underestimate Rugba Leig at its own peril

Mate I'm all for more stadiums not less. The more we spend of building new ones or doing up old ones the better I say. PVL should go to town on them. Build, build, build.

The argument that there isn't enough money is just bullsh*t.

 

[Wb1234]

"WE WANT MONEY SPENT ON NEW STADIUMS"

"No problem, here's a billion dollars for state of the art stadiums in Moore Park and Parramatta"

"NO! THOSE ARE TOO NICE!"

PVL's rant in a nutshell right now.

Obviously it’s not

firstly pvl wasn’t in charge when this deal got done.

he came in and got the money reallocated away from homebush to other places more suited for the game

if you are happy with a leader of the game whose happy when the govt lie to him then try to get gallop or Greenberg back

the government is reneging on a promise and a contract

vkandys just has to lay there and take it?

 

[TheRam]

Sydney firms to host NRL grand final ahead of ARL Commission meeting

The majority of ARL commissioners think it’s too close to this year’s grand final for the NRL to commit to a Brisbane decider, but not all representatives feel that way.

www.smh.com.au

As predicted this year will stay in Sydney, Right decision allows it to go to tender next year.

Interesting the poll attached from 18100. 91% back the Govt here

Of course they would. Most people don't understand finance and Government budgeting and just think that hospital, road, transport and flood victims will miss out because the stadiums will get the money.

Most people are politics an finance stupid.

 

[Colk]

Mate I'm all for more stadiums not less. The more we spend of building new ones or doing up old ones the better I say. PVL should go to town on them. Build, build, build.

The argument that there isn't enough money is just bullsh*t.

It’s true for federal governments but not for state governments. State governments are actually constrained.

 

[Steel Saints]

Not to mention they can very easily turn around and say; "we've given you 3 state of the art stadiums costing $1.5billion, we've given you over $100million to build NRL training centres, and its not enough?" NRL is going to come out of this looking very naïve, selfish and uncaring if it isnt careful. Maybe our invisible CEO should step in now?

Well at this stage its 2 stadiums over just $1 billion. There is no guarantee that Penrith will go ahead.

 

[Wb1234]

It’s true for federal governments but not for state governments. State governments are actually constrained.

So constrained they found 450 million for a stadium in a marginal seat

then won’t commit to the rest of the spend which will be years and years away when the flood victims will have been taken care of

 

[Iamback]

So constrained they found 450 million for a stadium in a marginal seat

then won’t commit to the rest of the spend which will be years and years away when the flood victims will have been taken care of

Have they said a straight out no though?

Looks like they are waiting for the heat to go out of other things then would put the spend on. Same reason the opposition hasn't announced their plans with the Staduims yet. It is what Governments do

 

[TheRam]

It’s true for federal governments but not for state governments. State governments are actually constrained.

They are only restrained because people like you say they are and almost everyone like you believes it.

Besides I have no sympathy for either Fed or State Governments. If they are for example to stupid or corrupts to create a State or Australia Bank to finance everything at literally at 0% interest like they should, then stuff them.

Don't start me on this. People don't understand economics and I am just over it trying to educate or convince people how it all works. At the very least people should look at how China funds most of its infrastructure expenditure and no it isn't with all the money it makes from selling it's goods to the rest of the world. Hint, they have two currencies, a domestic one and then the international one. They don't even do it right and it could be done so much better and they are still killing it because they don't give a fu*k about the Wests bullsh*t hobbling banker rules that just enslave you to banker interest.

People need to wake the fu*k up. But I'm over it. Build, build, build.

 

[Wb1234]

Have they said a straight out no though?

Looks like they are waiting for the heat to go out of other things then would put the spend on. Same reason the opposition hasn't announced their plans with the Staduims yet. It is what Governments do

Basically they have

it’s a vague promise to revisit it in the future if finances allow

plus Ayres was trying to shift the goal posts and say they’ve done enough anyway

tbf the nsw govt will have spent 200 million combined on coe which weren’t part of the stadium deal

but the background is grounds in nsw have been neglected for decades

the same government has found hundreds of millions for afl

there’s really no necessity for the grand final to be held in Sydney that’s just bs

Sydney gets way to many games anyway and wherever it goes it will sell out like it does here

 

[Iamback]

Basically they have

it’s a vague promise to revisit it in the future if finances allow

plus Ayres was trying to shift the goal posts and say they’ve done enough anyway

tbf the nsw govt will have spent 200 million combined on coe which weren’t part of the stadium deal

but the background is grounds in nsw have been neglected for decades

the same government has found hundreds of millions for afl

there’s really no necessity for the grand final to be held in Sydney that’s just bs

Sydney gets way to many games anyway and wherever it goes it will sell out like it does here

Ok so a vague promise. How about getting that down in writing before going off? If the plan is to do Penrith than use the same builders to do the other stadiums, Then by 2024 when the money is needed it is an easier sell to tax payers.

SFS
Commbank
Penrith - At this stage
200m on COE's

No other state or sport has had that go their way in what 10 years.
There is no way whoever is Premier after the election wants to be the one that loses the NRL Grand Final, So it will happen.

Just need to get someone other than PVL to do the dealing. I like his performance in the whole but his attitude here is a bad look

Who has said it is necessity for the the GF to be in Sydney? It needs a regular home is all I said

 

[Wb1234]

SFS
Commbank
Penrith - At this stage
200m on COE's

No other state or sport has had that go their way in what 10 years.
There is no way whoever is Premier after the election wants to be the one that loses the NRL Grand Final, So it will happen. Just need to get someone other than PVL to do the dealing.

Who has said it is necessity for the the GF to be in Sydney? It needs a regular home is all I said

Well afl got 2 billion on Optus and they didn’t have to promise to host grand finals there

the state govt thought it was a good idea

the qld govt has spent over a billion on building Suncorp, Gold Coast and Townsville

lol

why does the grand final have to be played in the same city every year ?

edit add the money qld spent on Metricon

 

[Wb1234]

 

[Steel Saints]

Ok so a vague promise. How about getting that down in writing before going off? If the plan is to do Penrith than use the same builders to do the other stadiums, Then by 2024 when the money is needed it is an easier sell to tax payers.

SFS
Commbank
Penrith - At this stage
200m on COE's

No other state or sport has had that go their way in what 10 years.
There is no way whoever is Premier after the election wants to be the one that loses the NRL Grand Final, So it will happen.

Just need to get someone other than PVL to do the dealing. I like his performance in the whole but his attitude here is a bad look

Who has said it is necessity for the the GF to be in Sydney? It needs a regular home is all I said

NSW is the most populous state in the country . Before Commbank Stadium was built, Sydney/NSW was starting to lag behind following new stadiums in Perth and Adelaide.

But it's not the first time where Sydney has lagged behind. If you go back in the 1990's, Adelaide's AAMI stadium and Brisbane's old Anz stadium had venues with bigger capacity over anything Sydney had to offer at the time.

However i do agree with you about PVL. He has done a few good things but you'd like to hear someone else's voice every now and then.

 

[Perth Red]

Well at this stage its 2 stadiums over just $1 billion. There is no guarantee that Penrith will go ahead.

they didn't say it wouldn't, though they might now be boxed into a position where they will. Again chopping our nose off. its dumb as dogsht for people in the game to be coming out and saying Penrith shouldn't go ahead now. Only in RL!

 

[Iamback]

Well afl got 2 billion on Optus and they didn’t have to promise to host grand finals there

the state govt thought it was a good idea

the qld govt has spent over a billion on building Suncorp, Gold Coast and Townsville

lol

why does the grand final have to be played in the same city every year ?

edit add the money qld spent on Metricon

Perth lacked 1st class quality stadiums
Same reason Adelaide oval was done

Parramatta cost $300m
SFS $800m
Penrith $400m

There is $1.5m there.

Because you need to have some consistency. Look at the GF promos for example, You need to be able to as a marketing team go to those sponsors and include that. Say Perth gets it you are able to say to them until 2026 the GF is in Perth for them to target the Perth customers.

So I couldn't care less where it is played just do it in multiple year blocks. to allow for that sort of thing

 

[Iamback]

NSW is the most populous state in the country . Before Commbank Stadium was built, Sydney/NSW was starting to lag behind following new stadiums in Perth and Adelaide.

But it's not the first time where Sydney has lagged behind. If you go back in the 1990's, Adelaide's AAMI stadium and Brisbane's old Anz stadium had venues with bigger capacity over anything Sydney had to offer at the time.

However i do agree with you about PVL. He has done a few good things but you'd like to hear someone else's voice every now and then.

I agree. If not for the Olympics we will still be behind most of them.

He was complaining because the government put a concert on at SFS the night of a horse race, One is in the day one is in the night for starters. 2nd of all that could be used as a partnership to get more to the race by doing deals with the tickets etc.

Some times diplomacy is the better option with certain things

 

[Perth Red]

I'd rather see them develop it as a superbowl event. Moving each year. Shuffle the season so there is a two week gap so fans can get travel and accommodation sorted and the hype can be built up. These events sell themselves, as long as the venue is known they will sell the corporates and the neutrals long before we know which teams are in it. Even better would be if the NRL announced the profit from it would go to investing in building its own stadiums, that would shut up the NSW whingers who think they have an entitled right to host it every year.

 

[Perth Red]

Well afl got 2 billion on Optus and they didn’t have to promise to host grand finals there

the state govt thought it was a good idea

They spent the money building one of the best stadiums in the world that now regularly hosts major events. Bit different to throwing money to put lipsticks on pigs that will still provide nothing like modern day sporting arenas. This is actually a good outcome and hopefully will lead to NRL Sydney waking up and using its sporting infrastructure better, then investing properly to fill the gaps.

 

[Iamback]

I'd rather see them develop it as a superbowl event. Moving each year. Shuffle the season so there is a two week gap so fans can get travel and accommodation sorted and the hype can be built up. These events sell themselves, as long as the venue is known they will sell the corporates and the neutrals long before we know which teams are in it. Even better would be if the NRL announced the profit from it would go to investing in building its own stadiums, that would shut up the NSW whingers who think they have an entitled right to host it every year.

Shuffling the season, Moves into the International window. Much better to just lock in somewhere for x amount of years

 

[Perth Red]

Shuffling the season, Moves into the International window. Much better to just lock in somewhere for x amount of years

There's a real risk of event fatigue in Non RL cities though, and for fans who like to use it as an excuse to visit another city for a short break. I could see that working in Brisbane but not in Adelaide, Perth or Melbourne. Maybe 2 years in Brisbane, 1 year in other city, 2 years in Sydney,1 year in other city, repeat, presuming those cities are willing to stump up the cash to host. Gives enough gap to not get that fatigue and drives competitive bidding.

International season? lol