The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Wb1234]

Whilst the government did renege on the deal and it is probably for political reasons as you say, it’s difficult to imagine how the NRL would win a PR battle over this.

Think of it this way: would people prefer the government spend money on stadiums or for flood relief. Now you and I know that is not the case of either/or but any debate will be framed along those lines

The nrl don’t need to win a pr battle that’s the governments problem

give them this year as a grace year then put it up for tender since they have breached the contract

there’s nothing stopping them bidding for it in the future without building any more stadia

 

[Wb1234]

Exactly. As I said it is not really a case of either/or but there are plenty of issues that need to be resolved in this state and V’Landys whinging about stadiums, notwithstanding promises being broken and the reasons thereto, is unlikely (and rightly so) to cut through

Literally the budget is 100 billion pa

300 million over five years is literally a rounding error

this is all about optics

 

[Colk]

Literally the budget is 100 billion pa

300 million over five years is literally a rounding error

this is all about optics

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you. As I said, you and I know that this is not an either/or situation regarding funding but optics are important.

If V’Landys pushes back against it too much he will be seen as out of touch. PR is important for corporates as well

 

[Wb1234]

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you. As I said, you and I know that this is not an either/or situation regarding funding but optics are important.

If V’Landys pushes back against it too much he will be seen as out of touch. PR is important for corporates as well

I found it funny when he played a reverse card on them and said how bad it was they were using floods as the excuse

the way it looks now I’d say any more stadia funding is dead. Including panthers

 

[Steel Saints]

He met them five times and had a handshake then they reneged for political reasons

poor timeslots are just a reality of the game. Essentially the game is a TV game crowds are largely irrelevant if we are being honest

sure big crowds are nice and look great on tv but clubs can get by on 10k it’s not the end of the world

he will give them the grand final this year as a show of good faith then next year it goes up for auction

if the nsw government are strapped for cash then they can just sign a new agreement paying the nrl 15 million pa to keep it here

they can afford that

And the NRL could match that by saving $15 million of their own money. Set up an 'infrastructure budget portfolio', where the NRL could fund $30 million per year on suburban grounds and do the upgrades in stages.

 

[Valheru]

The nrl don’t need to win a pr battle that’s the governments problem

give them this year as a grace year then put it up for tender since they have breached the contract

there’s nothing stopping them bidding for it in the future without building any more stadia

Have the NSW government breached an actual contract here? The only thing I have read about is a handshake deal which has been modified in terms of a staged approach as opposed to a literal contract that says Sydney hosts the GF going forward.

 

[Tiger Shark]

Or they could've build a similar larger version of Commbank stadium. I understand the reasoning with regards to the SFS having more "body" around the outside/ concession area.

But I'd love to see a cost breakdown of how $828 million was spent.

It'll be a similar breakdown to how it costs $15m for a flagpole on the harbour bridge.

 

[Tiger Shark]

Have the NSW government breached an actual contract here? The only thing I have read about is a handshake deal which has been modified in terms of a staged approach as opposed to a literal contract that says Sydney hosts the GF going forward.

PVL is saying there's a contract for the original deal Glady's did to upgrade Homebush. When the deal was changed from Homebush to the Suburban grounds there's no deal there, in writing atleast. I'm not across how legally binding verbal/handshakes are as I know they can be in some instances.

So what that means I don't know. Seems wasteful to enforce them to do up Homebush if they didn't want or need it in the first place. So maybe the aim is to get them to go the lesser suburban deal instead.

As a Sharks fan I wasnt expecting this money soon anyway, so if they said you get it but not till 2024 or something, thats pretty good imo. Better late than never.

It's hard to argue that the money can be put to better things than stadiums at the moment, but I do feel the money for the Panthers should also be redirected to a later date too.

 

[Iamback]

PVL is saying there's a contract for the original deal Glady's did to upgrade Homebush. When the deal was changed from Homebush to the Suburban grounds there's no deal there, in writing atleast. I'm not across how legally binding verbal/handshakes are as I know they can be in some instances.

So what that means I don't know. Seems wasteful to enforce them to do up Homebush if they didn't want or need it in the first place. So maybe the aim is to get them to go the lesser suburban deal instead.

As a Sharks fan I wasnt expecting this money soon anyway, so if they said you get it but not till 2024 or something, thats pretty good imo. Better late than never.

It's hard to argue that the money can be put to better things than stadiums at the moment, but I do feel the money for the Panthers should also be redirected to a later date too.

Penrith likely has deals signed with the builders, As they seem to go across to the next project once they finish SFS in this case

 

[Wb1234]

Have the NSW government breached an actual contract here? The only thing I have read about is a handshake deal which has been modified in terms of a staged approach as opposed to a literal contract that says Sydney hosts the GF going forward.

Yep

the deal was 800 million on accor in return for keeping the grand final. That’s what they have breached

 

[Wb1234]

Penrith likely has deals signed with the builders, As they seem to go across to the next project once they finish SFS in this case

Unlikely

builders can’t do quotes until plans are approved and finalised

 

[Perth Red]

Written deal was for accor upgrades, end of day NSW govt wont lose much sleep if NRL take GF elsewhere, they'll just turn the spin around to blame Vlandys for abandoning RL fans in Sydney.
On social media its overwhelmingly against the NRL on this one. Vlandys could be burning some very important bridges with the NSW govt, if they somehow got back in.
Like I said what's stopping NRL selling the GF and using the money to build its own stadiums and develop a strong asset base and revenue source for the game? Maybe put the begging bowl away and do something with the Billions the game earns

 

[Iamback]

Written deal was for accor upgrades, end of day NSW govt wont lose much sleep if NRL take GF elsewhere, they'll just turn the spin around to blame Vlandys for abandoning RL fans in Sydney.
On social media its overwhelmingly against the NRL on this one. Vlandys could be burning some very important bridges with the NSW govt, if they somehow got back in.
Like I said what's stopping NRL selling the GF and using the money to build its own stadiums and develop a strong asset base and revenue source for the game? Maybe put the begging bowl away and do something with the Billions the game earns

NRL won't win any fans on this.

The pre covid deal was $15m to host it. That clears $25m a year, Go the govt halves even.

Assuming Penrith is still going a head, in 2025 when that is finished. It gives $100m to start the next project

 

[Perth Red]

He got the narrative very wrong in his argument, calling the Govt untrustworthy (doh!), accusing them of using the flood victims, then playing thew "think about the children' card saying these stadiums would benefit kids health, then attacks the stadium they have built, people are just laughing at him.

It's typical bull in a china shop Vlandys, ended up in court with NSWRL and this doesn't look like its going to have a good outcome for the game either with Govt or the public. Diplomat he is not.

 

[Saxon]

Literally the budget is 100 billion pa

300 million over five years is literally a rounding error

this is all about optics

That's exactly right, it's about the optics.

And V'Landys is on a hiding to nothing here. Sooner or later Parrot Tits is going to say in so many words,
"So what you're telling us Mr NRL is that some stadium upgrades are more important to you than rehousing people made homeless by the floods. More important than rebuilding businesses, repairing roads and making sure that people who lost everything in the floods have blankets, clothing and food. Is that what you're saying?"
"And then you're going to be petulant and move a grand final because you think your game is more important than people who are hurting".

Not often a government can claim the moral high ground, but PV is giving them a gift right here.

 

[Perth Red]

Not to mention they can very easily turn around and say; "we've given you 3 state of the art stadiums costing $1.5billion, we've given you over $100million to build NRL training centres, and its not enough?" NRL is going to come out of this looking very naïve, selfish and uncaring if it isnt careful. Maybe our invisible CEO should step in now?

 

[T-Boon]

He got the narrative very wrong in his argument, calling the Govt untrustworthy (doh!), accusing them of using the flood victims, then playing thew "think about the children' card saying these stadiums would benefit kids health, then attacks the stadium they have built, people are just laughing at him.

It's typical bull in a china shop Vlandys, ended up in court with NSWRL and this doesn't look like its going to have a good outcome for the game either with Govt or the public. Diplomat he is not.

I wouldnt have predicted your negative review of something Vlandys did.

 

[Perth Red]

I wouldnt have predicted your negative review of something Vlandys did.

Then you dont know me very well. Oh hang on, you were being sarcastic. I get it.

 

[baselinepanther]

Have they actually broken a contract?

Haven't they said they are still going to do it in the future but they need the cash for flood victims? I don't see the NRL winning the PR battle here.

The NSW government in its various forms has also delivered commbank and a new Allianz in the last few years

They have a written agreement for the original 800 mill " rectangularisation " of homebush from 2017 as part of the overall 2 billion deal to do the 3 venues.
No new written agreement has been signed meaning the old one is still in place ,
they haven't insisted it be fully honoured til now because they trusted the govt at its word & handshake re the compromise deal that hasn't been delivered.
They won't get homebush upgraded but the govt has breached a contract & the NRL will be compensated $$ for this

 

[baselinepanther]

As of now Penrith is on the cards, So it was always likely to be 2024 before a decision is made for the next one.

Who knows maybe the Government is in a position to keep it's promise when the time comes, Sooking now is not the way forwarf

utter crap
we've been screwed as a sport by successive govts for 35 years on stadia going back to the old SFS

stuff who knows
the NRL has a right to a time line ...
As if there haven't been floods before or teachers on strike , nah
enough excuses & delays ... answers please you four eyed dip stick ... or else