The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Wb1234]

Yeah but governments aren’t going to fork out money for one tenant. There has never been a government that has forked out refurbishments or new stadiums for five or six seperate teams. It isn’t going to happen. You have to sell multiple tenants to them in order for it to be seen as a proper ROI.

They are getting the grand final in exchange

or we could be like other sports and give them nothing

the whole process has been hamfisted from day one and sold as stadiums for rugby league

 

[Colk]

Its not a sydney people thing, its his tourist views, he says he visits this or that stadium, like wollongong for example, then remarks about it, which is all fine, but then says the same about other stadiums and shits on them, purely coz he isn't a local, i get that you want to draw high attendances, but not every game needs to be played at a 30-40k venue, having a less than half empty crowd at the old sfs regularly during roosters matches never improved their crowds overall, just coz yeah its a large venue, neither did consistently winning, stadiums arent the only reason certian clubs don't bring in large crowds

Yes but having stadiums of 15-20k will only mean you’ll only ever get that much no matter what level the game is.

Why not have a plan where you at the very least have big games at bigger venues

 

[MugaB]

This is true.
I just happen to be lucky to be a supporter of a club (Parra) that got the benefit of an upgrade. It was mainly because the Wanderers went on a massive winning streak and justified the rebuild when it was found that the 20000 seat stadium wasn't big enough for them, and it was always known that it wouldn't be big enough for the Eels as well once they got out of their slump.
It has since proven to be a great investment from the NSW Govt, as not only has it had increased attendances, it has drawn in concerts and other events.
The investment in this stadium has surely paid itself back already. The local economy is benefitting big time on game days.

According to some here though, we should still have this....

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Tradition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tradition isn't the debate here, its fixing the existing stadia... regardless of the tennant...
Lets say commbank never was built, and they built Penrith stadium first, but said eels should play out west, or better yet, refurbished homebush, told pawwa to play there, coz the old 20k stadium wasn't going to get any help or renovations... its always the fortunate that throws stones

 

[Colk]

Penrith, just ruined your argument... theyll be the only tennant
Thats if it goes thru... that weak gutted dog perrotett will back out, you watch

Mate the only reason you got that funding was pork barrelling, pure and simple. After what happens to Ayres, that won’t happen again (not for Rugby League or that level of funding for anything else)

 

[MugaB]

Yes but having stadiums of 15-20k will only mean you’ll only ever get that much no matter what level the game is.

Why not have a plan where you at the very least have big games at bigger venues

No ones saying you cant, but it seems t o a massive push to completely exile any local game, and push all towards the colleseums

 

[siv]

They will never understand how NRL works in Sydney

Venues with 25k capacity on sunny Sunday afternoon

Western & southern joined grandstand with corporate boxes on L2 with a deep lower tier of 25 -30 rows of seats for members and shelter when it rains

Eastern hill with a good slope & no walking alleys and area to stand & walk at the top with a bar, toilets food outlets behind the hill

Northern hill for kids to play football under the big screen with lots of foot outlets

 

[MugaB]

Mate the only reason you got that funding was pork barrelling, pure and simple. After what happens to Ayres, that won’t happen again (not for Rugby League or that level of funding for anything else)

Don't care how or why, its ruined the argument that governments wont fork out for one tennant.... didnt cowboys get a brand new stadium recently??

 

[Colk]

They are getting the grand final in exchange

or we could be like other sports and give them nothing

the whole process has been hamfisted from day one and sold as stadiums for rugby league

Yes and no. No other sport would have multiple stadia built for them by a government when nobody else would use it. Not even AFL in Melbourne would get the Victorian government to pay for 6-8 different stadia for all their sides. It just wouldn’t happen.

If you go down this route you’ll only always get poor stadia.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes and no. No other sport would have multiple stadia built for them by a government when nobody else would use it. Not even AFL in Melbourne would get the Victorian government to pay for 6-8 different stadia for all their sides. It just wouldn’t happen.

If you go down this route you’ll only always get poor stadia.

The biggest hits – and misses – in two years of Optus Stadium

We doubt there has been a more lauded start to the life of an Australian sports stadium than Perth's Optus Stadium on the banks of the Swan River, with accolades flowing thick and fast from industry and patrons since it opened the gates to the community on January 21 2018.

www.watoday.com.au

1.8 billion spent for 2 afl clubs

let’s be real here

Sydney for all the talk isn’t anything to brad about in terms of overall stadia

 

[Pippen94]

Yes and no. No other sport would have multiple stadia built for them by a government when nobody else would use it. Not even AFL in Melbourne would get the Victorian government to pay for 6-8 different stadia for all their sides. It just wouldn’t happen.

If you go down this route you’ll only always get poor stadia.

You gotta using exactitudes. Going to get caught out again

 

[siv]

With multiple sporting codes in Sydney you need multiple venues with capacity simple

We now have 3 big venues

The rest should be 20-25k venues

But most are like Leichhardt build in 1970 and 40-50 years old needing their main stand replaced

Parra was build in 1986 and replaced
SFS 1988 also replaced

The smaller venues little has occurred

 

[Colk]

Don't care how or why, its ruined the argument that governments wont fork out for one tennant.... didnt cowboys get a brand new stadium recently??

Are they going to fund stadia for 6-8 Sydney sides. You are asking the government to pay for stadiums for the Sharks, Bulldogs, Tigers, Penrith (if it doesn’t go through), Manly (if they need further upgrades) and Dragons. The only teams fine under a seperate stadium model would be Parra, Roosters and Souths if they decide to play at SFS (as expected)

Now considering the Penrith cost, how likely is that to happen when the state government can turn around and say we’ve spent a billion or more already on stadiums that teams can use?

Also the circumstances surrounding Penrith and their development (i.e. the amount of criticism they have received for it) means that is less likely to happen again, not more likely

 

[Pippen94]

Don't care how or why, its ruined the argument that governments wont fork out for one tennant.... didnt cowboys get a brand new stadium recently??

Why can't panthers fund upgrade?!

 

[Colk]

You gotta using exactitudes. Going to get caught out again

What? I’m not the one suggesting that the government is going to fund multiple stadia in Sydney. But anyway I’ll let you live in fantasy land

 

[Colk]

The biggest hits – and misses – in two years of Optus Stadium

We doubt there has been a more lauded start to the life of an Australian sports stadium than Perth's Optus Stadium on the banks of the Swan River, with accolades flowing thick and fast from industry and patrons since it opened the gates to the community on January 21 2018.

www.watoday.com.au

1.8 billion spent for 2 afl clubs

let’s be real here

Sydney for all the talk isn’t anything to brad about in terms of overall stadia

Optus Stadium isn’t just used for AFL though. It is used for cricket and it is also used in order to get major events to that state (like SOO and major concerts). So it has multiple tenants

 

[Pippen94]

Optus Stadium isn’t just used for AFL though. It is used for cricket and it is also used in order to get major events to that state (like SOO and major concerts). So it has multiple tenants

Told you you'd get caught out again

 

[baselinepanther]

Frankly the only club that has an excuse to not play at a central stadium is Penrith because they are actually marketing themselves to areas outside of Sydney.

what ..to Bathurst ?
seriously ?

Nope , they have no more right to their own super stadium or just upgrades then Manly or Cronulla do...
if those last 2 miss out , they all should.
If Peritot... must .. spend that 400 mill set aside for penrith
then spend it equally on all 3 venues , because they're not moving to shared venues .... ever.

Tigers / Dogs to play mainly at commbank with parra ... some campbelltown & other
souths /roosters at the sfs & dragons in sydney there , 6 at wollongong

job done

 

[Colk]

Told you you'd get caught out again

You might be a bit slow but explain to me how I got caught out? He stated that they built it just for AFL i.e. it is used only for AFL. I showed him he was wrong in that it is used for other sports (cricket) and other events.

Using Optus as an example is like using Accor as an example. Although that wouldn’t suit your argument at all

 

[Wb1234]

Optus Stadium isn’t just used for AFL though. It is used for cricket and it is also used in order to get major events to that state (like SOO and major concerts). So it has multiple tenants

Wait

are you saying if state governments build new stadiums they will be able to attract major events ?

oh wow someone should tell the nsw govt that !

 

[Colk]

Wait

are you saying if state governments build new stadiums they will be able to attract major events ?

oh wow someone should tell the nsw govt that !

The problem is NSW already have a stadium like this, so why do they need to build another?

Also let’s be real now what major events are being brought in by a refurbished Leichhardt Oval or Shark Park or Brookvale Oval?

The example of Optus reinforces the view that in order to get funding you need to have multiple tenants and multiple uses.