The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Perth Red]

exposing your hypocrisy , over .. & over .. & over again is so much fun

must be, you waste a lot of your life on doing it.

 

[Canard]

There's even less evidence for that than Marn Grook having an influence.

Modern Gaelic football first started appearing in the 1870s, 11 years after Aussie Rules was codified, and wasn't codified until 1884, 25 years after Aussie Rules and 4 years after Wills died.

Caid (the Irish equivalent of Shrovetide games that predated Gaelic Football) weren't particularly similar to what became Gaelic football either. There's also less reason to believe that Wills encountered any of the Caid games than Marn Grook, with only a handful of accounts of any of them being played in Australia on gold fields in SA and Vic that we know for a fact that Wills wasn't present to witness, and they certainly weren't ever played regularly in England, let alone when he was there.

The original rules of Gaelic football being almost identical to the Melbourne rules (i.e. Aussie Rules) of the time has actually lead some to suggest that Irish immigrants that had returned from Australia influenced Gealic football's rules, not the other way around, but again the evidence is circumstantial at best. In other words there's about as much evidence for that hypothesis as there is that Marn Grook inspired Aussie Rules.

Edit:

Turns out that I should have updated my knowledge before talking about this subject.

Direct evidence has been found in the last 10 years that the GAA copied rules from Victorian Rules rulebooks of 1860-70s verbatim, and there's even paperwork from Limerick that states that they adopted some of the Victorian Rules.

Many of those rules have been removed from the rule book over time, and pretty much all of those that were left have evolved in completely different ways in Ireland than they did down here, but Aussie Rules did directly influence Gaelic Football and not the other way around.

Great info, I just assumed that the Irish game was much older TBH.

I stand corrected.

 

[Wb1234]

Aussie Rules is a direct descendant of Gaelic Footbal, in my opinion.

I mean the general rules are very similar, with differences evolving over time being the use of a rugby football, more leeway in tackling, and a cricket oval.

There was certainly a lot of Irish in Melbourne and surrounds at the time, and it's been documented that they played games in Melbourne post their arrival here.

someone said the rules of rugby at the time were all about taking marks like afl does today and then getting a free kick

originally there was just one football game in England where you were allowed to pick up the ball.

soccer decided to go down no hands allowed whilst union was supposedly formed when William Webb Ellis picked up a soccer ball at rugby school and ran with it ( another lie)

 

[baselinepanther]

must be, you waste a lot of your life on doing it.

1/10000000th the amount of time that you do moaning about Vlandys clown

 

[Perth Red]

1/10000000th the amount of time that you do moaning about Vlandys clown

calling Vlandys a clown isnt very nice, true but not nice

 

[baselinepanther]

calling Vlandys a clown isnt very nice, true but not nice

got nothing clown ?

who knew ? ..... well , everybody ofc

 

[MugaB]

 

[The Great Dane]

or posting a whole lot more like you usually do ...look at moi .. look at moi

Everything I've said can be sourced.

 

[The Great Dane]

someone said the rules of rugby at the time were all about taking marks like afl does today and then getting a free kick

originally there was just one football game in England where you were allowed to pick up the ball.

soccer decided to go down no hands allowed whilst union was supposedly formed when William Webb Ellis picked up a soccer ball at rugby school and ran with it ( another lie)

None of that is true either (with the exception of the Webb Ellis story being a myth), but I honestly can't be bothered going through it.

 

[beave]

FMD.

This thread has become a derailed dumpster fire.

So here's a pic of Australia's best regional stadium to get it back on track.

 

[baselinepanther]

Everything I've said can be sourced.

so can what I said dummy

The AFL has changed its stance on the origins of the sport, and historians are baffled

The AFL has changed its official version of the how Australian Rules football was created, now officially recognising Indigenous origins — but the game's historians have been left scratching their heads.

www.abc.net.au

In 2008 — as part of Australian Rules football's 150th anniversary celebration — the AFL commissioned the historian, Gillian Hibbins, to write an essay on Australian football's origins in which she said the idea that Australian Rules football originated from Aboriginal games was "a seductive myth".


Another football historian, Dr Greg de Moore, has been unable to find any link between the Aboriginal games and the one codified in the late 1850s, in more than 10 years of research.

"There is an evidence gap … I've seen nothing in recent years to change my view," Dr de Moore said.

"I've found nothing that documented that he ( Wills) saw the game. He never made reference to it, and no one ever else made reference to it," de Moore said.

As to the possible Aboriginal origins of the game: "I wish it were true, I really wish it were true, but I can't find any evidence that supports that," he said.

Of the AFL's new position on the origins of the game, Mr Hay said, "That just simply is an attempt to rewrite history."

The AFL says the sharing of oral history by Aboriginal elders confirms the Indigenous connection to Australian Rules

oral history ...
you couldn't make this shit up

oh hang on
racistball actually did

enough academics there for ya great dork ?

 

[Wb1234]

None of that is true either (with the exception of the Webb Ellis story being a myth), but I honestly can't be bothered going through it.

Faced between rugby league historians and you I know who I’m going with

 

[The Great Dane]

Faced between rugby league historians and you I know who I’m going with

Any "historian" that's told you that there was only 'one football game in England where you were allowed to pick up the ball' is a fraud that needs their tenure revoked.

Carrying the ball was the norm in both Shrovetide and academic football games (i.e. the predecessors of the codes of RU and Association Football), not the exception. Even the name football derives from games that are played on your feet, not games where you kick the ball with your feet.

So yeah, it's nonsense on the face of it.

 

[The Great Dane]

so can what I said dummy

The AFL has changed its stance on the origins of the sport, and historians are baffled

The AFL has changed its official version of the how Australian Rules football was created, now officially recognising Indigenous origins — but the game's historians have been left scratching their heads.

www.abc.net.au

In 2008 — as part of Australian Rules football's 150th anniversary celebration — the AFL commissioned the historian, Gillian Hibbins, to write an essay on Australian football's origins in which she said the idea that Australian Rules football originated from Aboriginal games was "a seductive myth".


Another football historian, Dr Greg de Moore, has been unable to find any link between the Aboriginal games and the one codified in the late 1850s, in more than 10 years of research.

"There is an evidence gap … I've seen nothing in recent years to change my view," Dr de Moore said.

"I've found nothing that documented that he ( Wills) saw the game. He never made reference to it, and no one ever else made reference to it," de Moore said.

As to the possible Aboriginal origins of the game: "I wish it were true, I really wish it were true, but I can't find any evidence that supports that," he said.

Of the AFL's new position on the origins of the game, Mr Hay said, "That just simply is an attempt to rewrite history."

The AFL says the sharing of oral history by Aboriginal elders confirms the Indigenous connection to Australian Rules

oral history ...
you couldn't make this shit up

oh hang on
racistball actually did

enough academics there for ya great dork ?

That article directly contradicts your original claim that it'd been proven that Marn Grook was a 'myth' and that ' no such game ever existed', and reaffirms everything that I said on the subject.

In other words your own source backs my claims and proves yours wrong, and I don't understand the point you're trying to make in suggesting otherwise.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Geelong's Kardinia Park is currently undergoing a massive redevelopment. It is like Penrith being an impractible distance to share the main stadia.

Melbourne to Kardinia Park = 83km

Sydney to Penrith Football Stadium = 58km.

Penrith to Parramatta Stadium = 31km.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

FMD.

This thread has become a derailed dumpster fire.

So here's a pic of Australia's best regional stadium to get it back on track.

View attachment 68140

It's better than any stadium in Sydney.

 

[MugaB]

It's better than any stadium in Sydney.

Thank Furston!

 

[baselinepanther]

That article directly contradicts your original claim that it'd been proven that Marn Grook was a 'myth' and that ' no such game ever existed', and reaffirms everything that I said on the subject.

In other words your own source backs my claims and proves yours wrong, and I don't understand the point you're trying to make in suggesting otherwise.

Sure it does great dork, all it proves is you're a tosser of monumental proportions ,
it mentions marn grook being nothng but a myth ( my position) ... 10 times !

but no one in here needed proof you're a wanker did they ?

 

[MugaB]

Sure it does great dork, all it proves is you're a tosser of monumental proportions ,
it mentions marn grook being nothng but a myth ( my position) ... 10 times !

but no one in here needed proof you're a wanker did they ?

 

[Captain Apollo]

so can what I said dummy

The AFL has changed its stance on the origins of the sport, and historians are baffled

The AFL has changed its official version of the how Australian Rules football was created, now officially recognising Indigenous origins — but the game's historians have been left scratching their heads.

www.abc.net.au

In 2008 — as part of Australian Rules football's 150th anniversary celebration — the AFL commissioned the historian, Gillian Hibbins, to write an essay on Australian football's origins in which she said the idea that Australian Rules football originated from Aboriginal games was "a seductive myth".


Another football historian, Dr Greg de Moore, has been unable to find any link between the Aboriginal games and the one codified in the late 1850s, in more than 10 years of research.

"There is an evidence gap … I've seen nothing in recent years to change my view," Dr de Moore said.

"I've found nothing that documented that he ( Wills) saw the game. He never made reference to it, and no one ever else made reference to it," de Moore said.

As to the possible Aboriginal origins of the game: "I wish it were true, I really wish it were true, but I can't find any evidence that supports that," he said.

Of the AFL's new position on the origins of the game, Mr Hay said, "That just simply is an attempt to rewrite history."

The AFL says the sharing of oral history by Aboriginal elders confirms the Indigenous connection to Australian Rules

oral history ...
you couldn't make this shit up

oh hang on
racistball actually did

enough academics there for ya great dork ?

Whilst I'm no AFL fan by any stretch, from what I know about Aboriginal culture, they do pass down their history orally. They do not typically write it down. So whilst I may not take the AFL's word on it at face value, you cannot outright discredit it on that basis of it being an oral history. It would though help if it was said which Aboriginal people's elders confirmed it.