The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Pneuma]

Taking Origin interstate too often will kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

Rugby Australia and New Zealand Rugby Union tried that with the Bledislow Cup. It diminished the legitimacy of their series and turned it into a glorified exhibition.

With so much competition from our main competitor -- AwFuL investa tens of millions on grassroots development across Queensland and NSW --the last thing our game can afford to do is turn its pinnacle event into a watered down exhibition like the Harlem Globetrotters that bleeds more money from true fans.

Taking Origin games into the southern states hasn't done anything for participation.

If we want the Queensland and NSW government to build better stadia in regional cities like Townsville and Newcastle then we will need to take big event games to them. The benefits it will provide to the Cowboys and Knights are priceless for our game.

Well you are wrong as usual. Participation in Victoria has definitely improved . But keep rambling on. Seems you have the liberty to say whatever you want and abuse whoever you like here for some reason.

 

[Perth Red]

Taking Origin interstate too often will kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

Rugby Australia and New Zealand Rugby Union tried that with the Bledislow Cup. It diminished the legitimacy of their series and turned it into a glorified exhibition.

With so much competition from our main competitor -- AwFuL investa tens of millions on grassroots development across Queensland and NSW --the last thing our game can afford to do is turn its pinnacle event into a watered down exhibition like the Harlem Globetrotters that bleeds more money from true fans.

Taking Origin games into the southern states hasn't done anything for participation.

If we want the Queensland and NSW government to build better stadia in regional cities like Townsville and Newcastle then we will need to take big event games to them. The benefits it will provide to the Cowboys and Knights are priceless for our game.

I’d say a 5 year cycle in each city is the ideal. So in a 5 year cycle you’d have 2 years where it was in brisbane/sydney twice then the other three years it’s in only in sydney and brisbane once. selling it around brings in around $7-10million extra to nrl coffers each year. Not to be sneezEd at. Also is the games biggest event so the best vehicle to use to expose new audiences to the game. People attend because it’s an event, not because it’s a rugby league game.

sadly at moment nrl is just using it a a cash cow, not a a vehicle to drive participation. That requires lots more grassroots funding On the ground in those statesand using the exposure origin brings t(e game to excite people about the game.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Participation in Melbourne has grown on the back of the Storm. Anyone who thinks a few Origin games over 30 years is the reason for the boost is a delusional idiot.

 

[beave]

Stadiums, let's talk about stadiums.........

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I’d say a 5 year cycle in each city is the ideal. So in a 5 year cycle you’d have 2 years where it was in brisbane/sydney twice then the other three years it’s in only in sydney and brisbane once. selling it around brings in around $7-10million extra to nrl coffers each year. Not to be sneezEd at. Also is the games biggest event so the best vehicle to use to expose new audiences to the game. People attend because it’s an event, not because it’s a rugby league game.

sadly at moment nrl is just using it a a cash cow, not a a vehicle to drive participation. That requires lots more grassroots funding On the ground in those statesand using the exposure origin brings t(e game to excite people about the game.

The Melbourne Storm add more value to the broadcast rights than the extra revenue generated by selling Origin matches to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth. The only reason the governments from the southern states buy it is because they make more than they pay from Queenslanders and New South Welshman travelling to watch the game. It's another way the game's lazy administration has f**ked over loyal fans to make a bit of money without having to actually do anything.

Adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will bring in more money and lead to more people playing the game in these cities.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Stadiums, let's talk about stadiums.........

If we had proactive leaders then we could sell Origin games to South Australia and Western Australia governments on the provision we have boutique stadia with a capacity of 25k built in Adelaide and Perth, with a guarantee on our end of having teams based in both cities when the construction is complete.

 

[Pneuma]

Participation in Melbourne has grown on the back of the Storm. Anyone who thinks a few Origin games over 30 years is the reason for the boost is a delusional idiot.

So just more abuse? You really are a low life. As for participation in Melbourne I actually know what I’m talking about. You don’t. Simple really.

 

[Pneuma]

Stadiums, let's talk about stadiums.........

Not when old donkey keeps getting away with endless vilification of others I’m afraid.

 

[Perth Red]

If we had proactive leaders then we could sell Origin games to South Australia and Western Australia governments on the provision we have boutique stadia with a capacity of 25k built in Adelaide and Perth, with a guarantee on our end of having teams based in both cities when the construction is complete.

That would require the nrl to have had a long term strategy to put teams in those cities. We have no such thing so they are quite happy just taking the extra millions instead.

Shame none of that money flows back to boosting grassroots funding of those state rl systems! nrlwa gets less than $1mill a year in funding and nrl has taken over $30mill in funding from WA govt for games in the last 10 years.

 

[Pneuma]

The Melbourne Storm add more value to the broadcast rights than the extra revenue generated by selling Origin matches to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth. The only reason the governments from the southern states buy it is because they make more than they pay from Queenslanders and New South Welshman travelling to watch the game. It's another way the game's lazy administration has f**ked over loyal fans to make a bit of money without having to actually do anything.

Adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will bring in more money and lead to more people playing the game in these cities.

Wrong again. Selling state of origin interstate grows the game because of the enormous profile and popularity the game then has in those cities. It grows brand awareness, increases income, sponsorship, tv ratings AND participation. But you and your sad mate only ever see the negative hey?

 

[Canard]

I’d say a 5 year cycle in each city is the ideal. So in a 5 year cycle you’d have 2 years where it was in brisbane/sydney twice then the other three years it’s in only in sydney and brisbane once. selling it around brings in around $7-10million extra to nrl coffers each year. Not to be sneezEd at. Also is the games biggest event so the best vehicle to use to expose new audiences to the game. People attend because it’s an event, not because it’s a rugby league game.

sadly at moment nrl is just using it a a cash cow, not a a vehicle to drive participation. That requires lots more grassroots funding On the ground in those statesand using the exposure origin brings t(e game to excite people about the game.

You've come up with a solution to a non-existent problem.

There is ZERO evidence of any decline in the popularity of Origin in crowds or TV ratings.

Having it annually in Brisbane and Sydney makes it an event and only increases demand and interest in those markets. The exposure it creates in the non- traditional markets is in turn driving its popularity even more.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Thats good about Sunshine Coast

nrl needs to be getting more money from the Olympic infrastructure budget spent on rectangular grounds since the afl is getting a massive benefit with the Gabba rebuild

16k for Sunshine Coast is perfect for the dolphins now their home ground needs an upgrade to a similar capacity if not 20k

Never understood why the Sunshine Coast got an upgrade for the Olympics instead of Dolphin Oval to say 20k. Redcliffe is part of greater Brisbane, Sunshine Coast is not and it would have left a far greater legacy. The Dolphins would have a modern 20k stadium to play a couple of lower drawing games a year at. During the Olympics, the stadium could have been used for Rugby Union 7's

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It'll be hard to justify wasting any more money on stadia in Sydney when many of the tax payers from rural NSW are now homeless. These poor folk were forced to fund Parramatta Stadium and the SFS.

Mate, there is heaps of money to go around for social welfare and for infrastructure. If RL is going to benefit by Governments building stadiums for us in any city in Australia, let's take it. Our competitors have no qualms taking the money and getting new or upgraded grounds.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

In outer suburbia a 17k stadium will probably do them. They’ll never be a big fan based club if they play most of their games in Redcliffe. Think manly For what Redcliffe based club looks like.

That would be true if Manly were one of two Sydney clubs and played 10 of their games at the new SFS and two at their local ground

 

[Perth Red]

You've come up with a solution to a non-existent problem.

There is ZERO evidence of any decline in the popularity of Origin in crowds or TV ratings.

Having it annually in Brisbane and Sydney makes it an event and only increases demand and interest in those markets. The exposure it creates in the non- traditional markets is in turn driving its popularity even more.

Not sure you understood what I typed! I’m saying that take it to perth, Adelaide and Melbourne on a 5 year cycle then the other 2 years 2 games would be in Sydney or Brisbane rotating. having a gap in non rl cities means it’s remains a rarish event to go to, go to the well too often and it’ll run dry.

yr1 Sydney, brisbane adelaide
yr2 2 games Sydney, brisbane
yr3 Sydney brisbane, perth
yr4 2 games brisbane, Sydney
yr5 Sydney, brisbane, melbourne

repeat….. presuming non rl state govt’s are willing to keep buying it,

 

[Perth Red]

Never understood why the Sunshine Coast got an upgrade for the Olympics instead of Dolphin Oval to say 20k. Redcliffe is part of greater Brisbane, Sunshine Coast is not and it would have left a far greater legacy. The Dolphins would have a modern 20k stadium to play a couple of lower drawing games a year at. During the Olympics, the stadium could have been used for Rugby Union 7's

Govt’s prefer funding regional projects.

 

[Perth Red]

That would be true if Manly were one of two Sydney clubs and played 10 of their games at the new SFS and two at their local ground

Have you seen any statement from dolphins that’s the split plan after this year? 10 games at Suncorp?
IF they got a decent Redcliffe stadium upgrade they’d be 10-2 the other way I’d suggest. In which case the manly comparison becomes much more relevant.

 

[Canard]

Not sure you understood what I typed! I’m saying that take it to perth, Adelaide and Melbourne on a 5 year cycle then the other 2 years 2 games would be in Sydney or Brisbane rotating. having a gap in non rl cities means it’s remains a rarish event to go to, go to the well too often and it’ll run dry.

yr1 Sydney, brisbane adelaide
yr2 2 games Sydney, brisbane
yr3 Sydney brisbane, perth
yr4 2 games brisbane, Sydney
yr5 Sydney, brisbane, melbourne

repeat….. presuming non rl state govt’s are willing to keep buying it,

It's been played interstate for almost 30b years now, but you and the other guy have suddenly created this strawman about it losing popularity.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Have you seen any statement from dolphins that’s the split plan after this year? 10 games at Suncorp?
IF they got a decent Redcliffe stadium upgrade they’d be 10-2 the other way I’d suggest. In which case the manly comparison becomes much more relevant.

They have stated that the majority of their games will be at Suncorp. After this year (due to the Women's soccer), it will be 10 at Suncorp. Commercial realities will demand it. You can't compete with the Broncos and the other NRL teams playing half your games at Redcliffe and Sunny Coast stadiums in their current state / capacity, when you have Suncorp available for members and corporates.

With regards to their being a modern 25 - 30k stadium at Redcliffe in the future. I actually think that is the plan and it's the correct plan. Again, Brisbane only has two teams, maybe three in the future and they are being spread around so that they have their own market. Redcliffe averaging 20 - 25k at a new Dolphin Oval and then drawing 50k to derby matches against Broncos and Firehawk-Jets (based in the south-west with their own 25-30k stadium in Ipswich or Springfield) at Suncorp is perfect and would make them one of the most attended teams in the league as well as giving them their own identity as the team for North Brisbane / Moreton Bay (which is also when the geographical name will return officially).

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Govt’s prefer funding regional projects.

Yeah good point. And as another poster stated, I guess the QLD Government would want to show off the Sunshine Coast more than Redcliffe. The question I have is though, how much content do the Olympic committee require be kept in the host city? Or do they not really care once the bid has been won. I thought there would be rules because it is a host 'city' not a host country or region.