The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[The Great Dane]

Oh I agree its obvious Barr wants an oval. But the AFL fanbase in the ACT are dwarfed by the combined League/Union/Soccer base and I doubt cricket fans care much about it. No amount of opinion pieces are gonna garner the support it needs.

The Brumbies and RU are struggling so badly that they're borderline irrelevant. It's got to the point that there's a good chance that they won't even be around in a decade or so unless there's significant change in Australian RU's fortunes (or the Vikings end up owning them). So all RU really brings to the table is the possibility of hosting more Wallabies matches.

The average soccer fan in Canberra doesn't give a f**k about the A-league, and Canberra isn't seen as market that can regularly host Socceroo's games or other major events and a new 30k stadium isn't going to change that. Yeah the new team will probably get reasonable support by A-league standards, but what will it be like after a few years once the novelty effect has worn off and the team is at the foot of the table... Probably still pretty good by A-league standards, but not big enough to be a significant cultural influence in the region.

As things are the AFL's fanbase in Canberra is of a similar size to the NRL's, and a push for a local team would unify them. There's also significantly more interest in and support for the BBL than A-league, and Canberra could realistically host international cricket and larger cricket events more often going into the future.

If the AFL and CA are genuinely interested in expanding their market share in Canberra they'll get directly involved into the stadium negotiations in a way that the NRL has refused to so far. They also have strong and outspoken political supporters in the ACT government, where the Raiders in particular have an almost antagonistic relationship with the current political establishment.

In other words, you're totally out of touch if you don't think that this could, and almost certainly will, be a serious problem for the rectangular sports going forward.

 

[greenBV4]

when the tigers played at the old sfs they got decent crowds

tigers need to decide who they are, if they decide inner west then yeah, SFS
you don't have a team supposedly representing the western suburbs playing in the east though

how good are mergers

 

[Ideas Man Stephen]

I get it would be harder but you cant make everything work for everyone
you are used to it being easy and fair enough, but people adapt and accept eventually

if you could get a modern all seater in every suburb that would be amazing, but reality is you can't, and shark park is not a ground a first tier premier sport should be playing on

and ffs so many other sports manage to make it work, I know Sydney is a shitfight to get around but its not THAT much worse than other cities around the world (these days Melbourne's not much better traffic wise) .. funding to improve public transport to sporting hubs would be a much easier sell than to give every suburban club a commbank. And just look at how much easier its been for the stadiums with multiple tenants both in Sydney and around the country to get consistent upgrades

Mate, I hear everything you are saying. I probably said it in the past myself. It is very simple, you are proposing the death of the Sharks. As I said, there needs to be a way to make the club exist and participate locally. See my note below…

And how would you suggest this is done?

The biggest shame is that the fed and/or state govt did not jump on board with an improvement to Shark Park whilst the surrounding facilities were being turned into a mass population centre for Sydney’s fastest growing affluent centre. Sure people talk about the growth in numbers to the west.

Meanwhile, there is a lot of ignorance to the financial growth that will take place in the Shire over the next 20 years.

 

[beave]

I still can't get over the fact the sharks let the development in the South East corner to go ahead virtually inside the stadium.

 

[Pjf04b]

Private = no funding (as it should be)

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Dogs probably work best at Homebush but its just so shit and cavernous for 80% of regulars season games.. not sure what would be best but realistic for them tbh

Dogs, Tigers and McArthur FC should all lobby for a new facility in the southwest. Something near the new airport, once transport links there are established. It will take a while to get established but stadiums are a long-term investment and it’ll pay off in the end

 

[SpaceMonkey]

tigers need to decide who they are, if they decide inner west then yeah, SFS
you don't have a team supposedly representing the western suburbs playing in the east though

how good are mergers

The Tigers in the Inner West:

 

[Steel Saints]

tigers need to decide who they are, if they decide inner west then yeah, SFS
you don't have a team supposedly representing the western suburbs playing in the east though

how good are mergers

Steve Roach was on the James Graham podcast. He admits that the club are nomads, and need to find an identity. He says that he wouldn't mind if the club played at Campbelltown full time. As long as the Tiger logo remains, he will still follow the club.

 

[Timbo]

I would like to see the Tigers and the Dogs come together to build a 20,000 seat stadium at Liverpool for club games. Use CommBank or Accor for finals matches and maybe the odd large derby game.

Tigers could play one game a year at Leichardt for heritage, same as the Dogs with Belmore. That'd still give the ground around 20 match days per year. If they could get the SW Sydney A-League team on board, even more so. A ground like one of these:

BMO Stadium, Los Angeles (20,000)

Childrens Mercy Park, Kansas City (19,000)

PayPal Park, San Jose (19,000)

Any of these would be a great model for a boutique club ground for the two teams to share.

 

[Vibing]

The second one is just an opinion piece. There can be no justification for a new oval stadium when the primary tenants are rectangular codes.

This...
Plus..
you can't be moaning about not having any $$ to build any stadium , then be entertaining a proposal to increase the overall cost of the project ( considerably ) with it having retractable seating & a roof that needs to cover a cricket oval

stuff those plastic singlet wearing clowns & their 3 games a year
& cricket which prefers to play tests in Hobart then here , they can stay at Manuka where they belong

 

[The Great Dane]

This...
Plus..
you can't be moaning about not having any $$ to build any stadium , then be entertaining a proposal to increase the overall cost of the project ( considerably ) with it having retractable seating & a roof that needs to cover a cricket oval

stuff those plastic singlet wearing clowns & their 3 games a year
& cricket which prefers to play tests in Hobart then here , they can stay at Manuka where they belong

I can hear it now; "building a multipurpose will mean that we only have to build and maintain a single stadium, and that will save the taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars", "the AFL and CA have expressed interest in basing teams here, but we don't have a stadium suitable to host them", "a multipurpose stadium will have five tenants, and be guaranteed of events year round", etc, etc.

A push for an oval is inevitable unless the AFL comes out and explicitly states that Canberra isn't being considered for the 20th AFL side.

BTW, cricket only prefers to play tests in Hobart because Bellerive has a higher capacity than Manuka. Canberra is a better market commercially, and you'd start see more cricket played here if Canberra had better facilities.

 

[greenBV4]

The Tigers in the Inner West:

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No orange, checks out

 

[Wb1234]

Private = no funding (as it should be)

Tell that to the Victorian govt spending 150 million on the afl owned Etihad

 

[Wb1234]

I would like to see the Tigers and the Dogs come together to build a 20,000 seat stadium at Liverpool for club games. Use CommBank or Accor for finals matches and maybe the odd large derby game.

Tigers could play one game a year at Leichardt for heritage, same as the Dogs with Belmore. That'd still give the ground around 20 match days per year. If they could get the SW Sydney A-League team on board, even more so. A ground like one of these:

BMO Stadium, Los Angeles (20,000)

Childrens Mercy Park, Kansas City (19,000)

PayPal Park, San Jose (19,000)

Any of these would be a great model for a boutique club ground for the two teams to share.

All good but the first stadium is stunning

 

[Wb1234]

Steve Roach was on the James Graham podcast. He admits that the club are nomads, and need to find an identity. He says that he wouldn't mind if the club played at Campbelltown full time. As long as the Tiger logo remains, he will still follow the club.

Wests Ashfield own the club (90 percent plus)

and the coe is in concord

 

[The Great Dane]

I would like to see the Tigers and the Dogs come together to build a 20,000 seat stadium at Liverpool for club games. Use CommBank or Accor for finals matches and maybe the odd large derby game.

Tigers could play one game a year at Leichardt for heritage, same as the Dogs with Belmore. That'd still give the ground around 20 match days per year. If they could get the SW Sydney A-League team on board, even more so. A ground like one of these:

BMO Stadium, Los Angeles (20,000)

Childrens Mercy Park, Kansas City (19,000)

PayPal Park, San Jose (19,000)

Any of these would be a great model for a boutique club ground for the two teams to share.

This is the sort of thing the Raiders should be looking into as well.

The odds that a new stadium is built in Canberra before 2040 are slim, and if one is it'll be at the AIS which is a shit location. The Raiders should explore the possibility of building their own roughly 20k boutique stadium in a better location, use that as their main home ground, and only use Bruce for bigger events. They could rent it out to the Brumbies and A-league team as well.

Now probably isn't the time to do it with the economy what it is, and it'd be a big undertaking so they'd need a developer and other financial partners on board, but building their own stadium is the best bet of getting the best outcome possible at this point, and it should at least be considered as a serious possibility.

 

[Wb1234]

This is the sort of thing the Raiders should be looking into as well.

The odds that a new stadium is built in Canberra before 2040 are slim, and if one is it'll be at the AIS which is a shit location. The Raiders should explore the possibility of building their own roughly 20k boutique stadium in a better location, use that as their main home ground, and only use Bruce for bigger events. They could rent it out to the Brumbies and A-league team as well.

Now probably isn't the time to do it with the economy what it is, and it'd be a big undertaking so they'd need a developer and other financial partners on board, but building their own stadium is the best bet of getting the best outcome possible at this point, and it should at least be considered as a serious possibility.

Bruce stadium is a bad location For Canberra is it ?

shame you don’t use the same standards for Sydney clubs lmao

 

[The Great Dane]

Bruce stadium is a bad location For Canberra is it ?

shame you don’t use the same standards for Sydney clubs lmao

I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[greenBV4]

Tell that to the Victorian govt spending 150 million on the afl owned Etihad

Doesn't mean it's right, but regardless they have a much better business case

it's a bit different seeing as it's 1 of only 3 regularly used stadiums in the city, based in thr heart of the city, and used by multiple tenants and regularly hosting large scale entertainment/music acts

Meanwhile shark Park is basically the backyard of the leagues club used by 1 team in 1 sport

Convince some other tenants to play there and show a business case on how doing so will give back in the form of tourism $s and governments investing in private assets goes from a no to a maybe

 

[Wb1234]

I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Remember when you said Sydney clubs should play out of centralised stadiums ?

yet the raiders playing out of Bruce is a major negative in your words

that’s a big double standard