The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[The Great Dane]

Katy Gallagher confirms no ACT stadium funding in the May federal budget​

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/st...ved-no-act-stadium-funding-in-federal-budget/

Federal government budget opens door for new Canberra stadium funding​

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/st...er-for-a-new-act-stadium-despite-budget-blow/

They just say that there are no plans in the budget for funding for a stadium in Canberra because the ACT government didn't submit a proposal, but there's potential for funding in the future if a proposal is submitted and that there're ongoing discussions about a renewal of the AIS.

So nothing unexpected.

 

[The Great Dane]

Federal budget 2023: Taylor, Pocock take aim at 'embarrassing' Canberra stadium plans​

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/st...ocock-accepts-grounded-stadium-plans-for-now/

Will there be a campaign to include AFL into the planning for the proposed new Canberra sports stadium?​

https://the-riotact.com/will-there-...e-proposed-new-canberra-sports-stadium/657126

These two are more concerning.

In the top one Pocock agrees to let the stadium debate lie for a bit because of the economic climate. In other words the stadium has lost it's strongest political proponent for the time being.

The second one is the first rumblings of the inevitable renewed push to scrap plans for a rectangular stadium and build an oval instead.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

Federal budget 2023: Taylor, Pocock take aim at 'embarrassing' Canberra stadium plans​

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/st...ocock-accepts-grounded-stadium-plans-for-now/

Will there be a campaign to include AFL into the planning for the proposed new Canberra sports stadium?​

https://the-riotact.com/will-there-...e-proposed-new-canberra-sports-stadium/657126

These two are more concerning.

In the top one Pocock agrees to let the stadium debate lie for a bit because of the economic climate. In other words the stadium has lost it's strongest political proponent for the time being.

The second one is the first rumblings of the inevitable renewed push to scrap plans for a rectangular stadium and build an oval instead.

The second one is just an opinion piece. There can be no justification for a new oval stadium when the primary tenants are rectangular codes.

 

[greenBV4]

As far as my thoughts for NRL stadiums are concerned, not all Sydney suburban grounds need to be as schmick as Parra.

The likes of Manly, Cronulla, Leichhardt Penrith and Campbeltown could all do with predominantly shell venues like Gold Coast or Central Coast with steep stands, rain cover and adequate (without being exceptional) corporate, food & beverage and toilet facilities.

That should be possible to build almost flat pack style, with ease and on the cheap.

cheapER, still needs funding to start with

my guess would be Penrith will get this style of stadium, the rest MAYBE a little bit purely to modernize the amenities

 

[greenBV4]

The second one is just an opinion piece. There can be no justification for a new oval stadium when the primary tenants are rectangular codes.

this is common sense yes

however, that doesn't always prevail, I am 100% sure the AFL would be lobbying for an oval, maybe even dangling a team 20 or full time gws carrot

meanwhile I dont think the NRL knows how to lobby, I think there's more to it than telling a different baseless story to some reporter every other week.. sigh

 

[The Great Dane]

The second one is just an opinion piece. There can be no justification for a new oval stadium when the primary tenants are rectangular codes.

It's the first opinion piece of what will be many over the coming decade, especially now that the AFL is expanding again.

It's also blatantly obvious to anybody that's been paying attention that Barr would prefer an oval. He may not be pushing for it publicly at the moment, but he will if/when there's enough public support for it.

 

[Wb1234]

this is common sense yes

however, that doesn't always prevail, I am 100% sure the AFL would be lobbying for an oval, maybe even dangling a team 20 or full time gws carrot

meanwhile I dont think the NRL knows how to lobby, I think there's more to it than telling a different baseless story to some reporter every other week.. sigh

Two of the commissioners are ex state labor mps

 

[greenBV4]

Two of the commissioners are ex state labor mps

and yet the state labour government are remaining adamant they'll be no more funding allocated to stadiums

 

[Wb1234]

and yet the state labour government are remaining adamant they'll be no more funding allocated to stadiums

Cause they are qld labor

Albo will listen to them though

 

[greenBV4]

Cause they are qld labor

Albo will listen to them though

I doubt the feds are going to allocate sole funds for significant upgrades to local gov and privately owned grounds

If they do, great, but the Sydney clubs and the NRL need to have a long hard look at what the future looks like if (and likely when) they don't receive any funding

if they want to continue looking and operating like an amateur club then drop down to the nsw cup ffs

 

[Wb1234]

I doubt the feds are going to allocate sole funds for significant upgrades to local gov and privately owned grounds

If they do, great, but the Sydney clubs and the NRL need to have a long hard look at what the future looks like if (and likely when) they don't receive any funding

if they want to continue looking and operating like an amateur club then drop down to the nsw cup ffs

No not on their own they won’t that’s right

if they don’t receive funding the nrl grand finals go out to tender

There’s commbank and allianz if they want a new ground or accor or a suburban ground if they don’t

they don’t actually need the new stadia

the nrl grant is so high it’s just a bonus

 

[greenBV4]

the nrl grant is so high it’s just a bonus

yep this right here is why they wont leave, but its a bad look especially when trying to bring new people to the game

the NRL needs to put in place a minimum requirements stadium policy if it cares about it's image. Sure a packed to the brim suburban grown will look good and get the nostalgia fuel burning, but reality is that happens once or twice a year, the rest of the time it looks like the local oval with an amateur league playing

 

[Wb1234]

yep this right here is why they wont leave, but its a bad look especially when trying to bring new people to the game

the NRL needs to put in place a minimum requirements stadium policy if it cares about it's image. Sure a packed to the brim suburban grown will look good and get the nostalgia fuel burning, but reality is that happens once or twice a year, the rest of the time it looks like the local oval with an amateur league playing

Manly and panthers have no choice
Cronulla own it even if it’s a dump they aren’t moving

the rest don’t play many games at suburban grounds

Commbank hasn’t worked for non eels games but allianz would

more clubs should take games there especially if it’s on Sunday

 

[greenBV4]

Manly and panthers have no choice
Cronulla own it even if it’s a dump they aren’t moving

the rest don’t play many games at suburban grounds

Commbank hasn’t worked for non eels games but allianz would

more clubs should take games there especially if it’s on Sunday

Redcliffe own theirs but saw the value in a city wide appeal and playing out of a modern stadium. I don't see why, if given some time to get used to the change, and some help from the draw, the sharks couldn't be taking some and eventually a majority of games to the SFS. What you would get over time is the die hards becoming used to travelling, a broader appeal meaning a higher number of fans outside the shire anyway, and the real oldies getting to old to attend any stadium anyway

Manly are isolated and screwed, and will eventually get left behind, I don't see brooky getting significant upgrades, if the bears fek off and manly actually has a desire to expand its reach maybe NSO or somewhere in the north in the future could get a stadium/upgrade. SFS has its difficulties to get to but they wont be able to stay at brooky forever

Panthers will likely get an upgrade

Commbank I think you'd start seeing better results with more regular fixturing, make it feel like a shared home instead of just a visit to parra's stadium. But tigers are basket case has this issue at every stadium anyway, they are homeless and without direction, so just go all in on commbank, or lobby with the A-league for Campbelltown.

Souths NEED to return to the SFS

Dragons full time gong with a game of the year (in addition to when they host anzac day) at the SFS

Dogs probably work best at Homebush but its just so shit and cavernous for 80% of regulars season games.. not sure what would be best but realistic for them tbh

 

[Chief_Chujo]

It's the first opinion piece of what will be many over the coming decade, especially now that the AFL is expanding again.

It's also blatantly obvious to anybody that's been paying attention that Barr would prefer an oval. He may not be pushing for it publicly at the moment, but he will if/when there's enough public support for it.

Oh I agree its obvious Barr wants an oval. But the AFL fanbase in the ACT are dwarfed by the combined League/Union/Soccer base and I doubt cricket fans care much about it. No amount of opinion pieces are gonna garner the support it needs.

 

[Ideas Man Stephen]

Manly and panthers have no choice
Cronulla own it even if it’s a dump they aren’t moving

the rest don’t play many games at suburban grounds

don’t forget Wests and St George.

 

[Ideas Man Stephen]

Redcliffe own theirs but saw the value in a city wide appeal and playing out of a modern stadium. I don't see why, if given some time to get used to the change, and some help from the draw, the sharks couldn't be taking some and eventually a majority of games to the SFS. What you would get over time is the die hards becoming used to travelling, a broader appeal meaning a higher number of fans outside the shire anyway, and the real oldies getting to old to attend any stadium anyway

Mate, only the uninitiated to the life in the Shire and especially Cronulla would make such a suggestion.

I understand non locals think it is obvious for a suggestion as yours, but you really have no idea of the difficulty you are placing on the local fans. Forcing a move to the SFS will kill the club.

The NRL must focus on how they make success of a club like the Sharks, which is the premier sports club of the biggest sports participation district in the country.

 

[greenBV4]

Mate, only the uninitiated to the life in the Shire and especially Cronulla would make such a suggestion.

I understand non locals think it is obvious for a suggestion as yours, but you really have no idea of the difficulty you are placing on the local fans. Forcing a move to the SFS will kill the club.

The NRL must focus on how they make success of a club like the Sharks, which is the premier sports club of the biggest sports participation district in the country.

I get it would be harder but you cant make everything work for everyone
you are used to it being easy and fair enough, but people adapt and accept eventually

if you could get a modern all seater in every suburb that would be amazing, but reality is you can't, and shark park is not a ground a first tier premier sport should be playing on

and ffs so many other sports manage to make it work, I know Sydney is a shitfight to get around but its not THAT much worse than other cities around the world (these days Melbourne's not much better traffic wise) .. funding to improve public transport to sporting hubs would be a much easier sell than to give every suburban club a commbank. And just look at how much easier its been for the stadiums with multiple tenants both in Sydney and around the country to get consistent upgrades

 

[greenBV4]

The NRL must focus on how they make success of a club like the Sharks, which is the premier sports club of the biggest sports participation district in the country.

And how would you suggest this is done?

 

[Wb1234]

Redcliffe own theirs but saw the value in a city wide appeal and playing out of a modern stadium. I don't see why, if given some time to get used to the change, and some help from the draw, the sharks couldn't be taking some and eventually a majority of games to the SFS. What you would get over time is the die hards becoming used to travelling, a broader appeal meaning a higher number of fans outside the shire anyway, and the real oldies getting to old to attend any stadium anyway

Manly are isolated and screwed, and will eventually get left behind, I don't see brooky getting significant upgrades, if the bears fek off and manly actually has a desire to expand its reach maybe NSO or somewhere in the north in the future could get a stadium/upgrade. SFS has its difficulties to get to but they wont be able to stay at brooky forever

Panthers will likely get an upgrade

Commbank I think you'd start seeing better results with more regular fixturing, make it feel like a shared home instead of just a visit to parra's stadium. But tigers are basket case has this issue at every stadium anyway, they are homeless and without direction, so just go all in on commbank, or lobby with the A-league for Campbelltown.

Souths NEED to return to the SFS

Dragons full time gong with a game of the year (in addition to when they host anzac day) at the SFS

Dogs probably work best at Homebush but its just so shit and cavernous for 80% of regulars season games.. not sure what would be best but realistic for them tbh

Yeh pretty much agreed

sharks wont though

dogs and tigers home games at commbank have gotten poor crowds

when the tigers played at the old sfs they got decent crowds

if manly fell over central coast bears would be a stronger bid but they won’t and are owned by a billionaire