The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Wb1234]

Doesn't mean it's right, but regardless they have a much better business case

it's a bit different seeing as it's 1 of only 3 regularly used stadiums in the city, based in thr heart of the city, and used by multiple tenants and regularly hosting large scale entertainment/music acts

Meanwhile shark Park is basically the backyard of the leagues club used by 1 team in 1 sport

Convince some other tenants to play there and show a business case on how doing so will give back in the form of tourism $s and governments investing in private assets goes from a no to a maybe

Nah

afl has different rules to every one else

they just got 1 billion dollars for a new stadium when the old ones were perfectly fine for the small population of Tasmania

 

[Chief_Chujo]

As things are the AFL's fanbase in Canberra is of a similar size to the NRL's, and a push for a local team would unify them.

Have you got a source on this or anything to back it up? Unless things have changed a great deal in the 7 years since I moved from Canberra, that isn't true at all.

 

[greenBV4]

Nah

afl has different rules to every one else

they just got 1 billion dollars for a new stadium when the old ones were perfectly fine for the small population of Tasmania

They are lizard people and can sweet talk politicians

Regardless it's 2 different governments, the Andrews government spends money on projects like money grows on trees - ill leave political views on if this is right or wrong out of this forum

And as pointed out, a centralised stadium policy like Melbourne has ensures stadiums regularly have more funding for upgrades regardless of ownership, less slicing of the pie

But the NSW government has been quite clear its limiting what it will spend on, and a single tennant privately owned field would be wayyy down the list

Re: Feds and tassie I don't think anyone agrees that's how federal funds should be spent, but it's what you get when you have all 3 involved parties willing to chip in

 

[Wb1234]

They are lizard people and can sweet talk politicians

Regardless it's 2 different governments, the Andrews government spends money on projects like money grows on trees - ill leave political views on if this is right or wrong out of this forum

And as pointed out, a centralised stadium policy like Melbourne has ensures stadiums regularly have more funding for upgrades regardless of ownership, less slicing of the pie

But the NSW government has been quite clear its limiting what it will spend on, and a single tennant privately owned field would be wayyy down the list

Lizard people I like that

 

[Vibing]

I can hear it now; "building a multipurpose will mean that we only have to build and maintain a single stadium, and that will save the taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars", "the AFL and CA have expressed interest in basing teams here, but we don't have a stadium suitable to host them", "a multipurpose stadium will have five tenants, and be guaranteed of events year round", etc, etc.

A push for an oval is inevitable unless the AFL comes out and explicitly states that Canberra isn't being considered for the 20th AFL side.

BTW, cricket only prefers to play tests in Hobart because Bellerive has a higher capacity than Manuka. Canberra is a better market commercially, and you'd start see more cricket played here if Canberra had better facilities.

Canberra isn't be considered for the 20th fumbles & derps team , Canberra is too small , non heartland & has entrenched teams from other codes here already
unlike Tasmania which is heartland , has no opposition , no other codes.
It'll be Perth 3 plain & simple

Bellerive may have a bigger capacity but, no one goes to test matches there .. Hobart is barely 1/4 of the size of Canberra & test match attendances show this glaringly.
Manuka is fine for the needs of both of these sports into the future

oval sports can piss off
this is a rectangle sports project

 

[Perth Red]

This is a beauty, plans for Boca s new 112k stadium! Imagine them replacing Accor with this.

 

[Perth Red]

Nah

afl has different rules to every one else

they just got 1 billion dollars for a new stadium when the old ones were perfectly fine for the small population of Tasmania

Not really, they are trying to make the new club as viable as possible. A new stadium with much improved corporate facilities and seats they can sell for $1k memberships for the next 50 years makes a lot of sense.
nrl should be demanding the same for where ever club 18 ends up.

 

[The Great Dane]

Have you got a source on this or anything to back it up? Unless things have changed a great deal in the 7 years since I moved from Canberra, that isn't true at all.

Participation numbers for one, the fact that they draw similar sized crowds to the Raiders average without a local team should be a big warning sign as well. There're others stats as well, google search data and social media statistics and the such.

I was born and raised here, and have lived here for decades, since before the Raiders entered the NSWRL. In all that time each fanbase would swear that their sport was way bigger than the other, but aside from a small period in the 90s the truth has always lay in the middle.

Because of the unique cultural and historical circumstances of Canberra neither sport has dominated the other in the post war era, in fact both are so close in popularity that it's basically impossible to say which is bigger than the other at any one time. The difference in popularity between the two would be so negligible that it's meaningless anyway. There's also way more overlap between the fanbases of both sports in Canberra than you see in the other parts of the country.

The only reason that the Aussie Rules fanbase in Canberra isn't as visible as RL's is because it doesn't have a single entity to get behind like the Raiders. If you gave them a local AFL team it would be as big as, if not slightly bigger than, the Raiders from day one, and anybody claiming otherwise is either astonishingly ignorant or monumentally full of shit.

 

[The Great Dane]

Canberra isn't be considered for the 20th fumbles & derps team , Canberra is too small , non heartland & has entrenched teams from other codes here already
unlike Tasmania which is heartland , has no opposition , no other codes.
It'll be Perth 3 plain & simple

Canberra will absolutely be considered for the 20th team as it's the only market left in Australia that could realistically support an AFL side that doesn't already have one. Most Aussie Rules people also consider Canberra to be a heartland.

Whether or not Canberra will win the 20th license is another discussion (ATM my bet would be no BTW), but if allowed the AFL will definitely use the opportunity to string us along and extract more taxpayers dollars out of us for themselves.

Bellerive may have a bigger capacity but, no one goes to test matches there .. Hobart is barely 1/4 of the size of Canberra & test match attendances show this glaringly.
Manuka is fine for the needs of both of these sports into the future

Thanks for making my point for me...

Canberra has a good track record of showing up to the cricket, and if we had better facilities you'd see more cricket events moved to Canberra.

oval sports can piss off
this is a rectangle sports project

You can say that all you like, but it's not how democracy and free market capitalism works.

 

[The Great Dane]

Remember when you said Sydney clubs should play out of centralised stadiums ?

yet the raiders playing out of Bruce is a major negative in your words

that’s a big double standard

Bruce isn't a centralised stadium.

It's literally in the middle of a suburb wasteland with average public transport options and nothing to do around it...

 

[Wb1234]

Bruce isn't a centralised stadium.

It's literally in the middle of a suburb wasteland with average public transport options and nothing to do around it...

8 kms to the cbd lmao

 

[The Great Dane]

8 kms to the cbd lmao

Yet still in the middle of a suburban wasteland with average public transport options.

 

[Wb1234]

Yet still in the middle of a suburban wasteland with average public transport options.

Shark park to allianz 26 kms
Penrith to commbank 35 kms
Manly to allianz 11 kms

 

[Perth Red]

Shark park to allianz 26 kms
Penrith to commbank 35 kms
Manly to allianz 11 kms

You seem incapable of understanding the point. Bruce isn’t in a good location for transport or pre and post game entertainment. Distance has nothing to do with it.
the point of a central stadium is a) it’s a top class facility b) it’s accessible on public transport c) it’s got bars and restaurants in walking distance. Bruce is none of that.

 

[The Great Dane]

Private investors keen to form deal with ACT government on Civic precinct idea​

At least two private investors have reached out to the ACT government to flag their interest in the capital's stadium saga and their willingness to commit to a funding partnership for an entertainment precinct in Civic.

"It's very disappointing [that nothing has happened], but it is to be expected," said Raiders coach Ricky Stuart. "I haven't been saying anything publicly because I don't believe there's any interest from our government in building a stadium. I think it's embarrassing not to have a stadium up to the standards of those built today.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/st...nvestors-keen-on-civic-stadium-idea/?cs=14280

This is an interesting turn of events.

 

[Brutus]

Canberra will absolutely be considered for the 20th team as it's the only market left in Australia that could realistically support an AFL side that doesn't already have one. Most Aussie Rules people also consider Canberra to be a heartland.

Whether or not Canberra will win the 20th license is another discussion (ATM my bet would be no BTW), but if allowed the AFL will definitely use the opportunity to string us along and extract more taxpayers dollars out of us for themselves.

Thanks for making my point for me...

Canberra has a good track record of showing up to the cricket, and if we had better facilities you'd see more cricket events moved to Canberra.

You can say that all you like, but it's not how democracy and free market capitalism works.

I'd be very surprised if the AFL didn't go for North QLD for the 20th team. Based in Cairns.

I think it's odds on.

 

[The Great Dane]

I'd be very surprised if the AFL didn't go for North QLD for the 20th team. Based in Cairns.

I think it's odds on.

That would be even more of a money pit than the Suns and GWS. All the AFL's stakeholders would fight it for that reason alone.

Perth is the best bet at the moment in my opinion.

 

[Wb1234]

You seem incapable of understanding the point. Bruce isn’t in a good location for transport or pre and post game entertainment. Distance has nothing to do with it.
the point of a central stadium is a) it’s a top class facility b) it’s accessible on public transport c) it’s got bars and restaurants in walking distance. Bruce is none of that.

Fair point

northern beaches to allianz has excellent public transport lol

 

[Pneuma]

That would be even more of a money pit than the Suns and GWS. All the AFL's stakeholders would fight it for that reason alone.

Perth is the best bet at the moment in my opinion.

IMHO the goal of the afl would be to have clubs in Canberra North Queensland and a 3rd Perth at least in the future. To do that they will need to absolutely dominate the market. Problem is they don’t and they won’t. One of their big set backs is having to place a team in Hobart. That’s a strategic and market loss. That’s why they extracted so much money out of our idiot premier. Their biggest problem however is the popularity of the NRL. We are growing, not contracting and the Phins have hurt their attempted take over of qld badly. That’s why McLachlan made his ridiculous claim a few weeks ago. They are frustrated. If we place a new team in Brisbane in the west that hurts them and helps us absolutely dominate an expanding market. If we place a team in Perth, and we should, that really hurts them. That’s why stadiums matter and that’s why sharing sides like the Phins in two modern stadiums including the Sunshine Coast makes sense.
It also makes it much harder for the afl to decide on their next location. And that helps us get momentum for a rectangle upgrade in Canberra.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

That would be even more of a money pit than the Suns and GWS. All the AFL's stakeholders would fight it for that reason alone.

Perth is the best bet at the moment in my opinion.

AFL doesn’t mind wasting money, though. I’m with Brutus on this as I think strategically Nth QLD suits their agenda. They can boast they have Australia covered by having teams not only east, middle and west of Australia but now the far north and southern tips. That’ll be very attractive to sponsors and bring more money into their game on top of a better TV deal. Clubs will fall into line when shown the dollar figures.