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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Wb1234

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16 or 17K at Belrieve oval & the oval in Launceston is more then acceptable for the teams entry into the aflol ...
& while other states & territories can afford projects like this ...
Tasmania can't

to hold them to ransom is obscene
not much more needs to be sai
Which is why wa has to spend money on a new rectangular ground when a small state like tasmania can get it done with 2 stadiums
 

taipan

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The wa govt has asked the arlc what they want to be able to give Perth an nrl team so it’s up to the arlc to demand a new stadium

if they aren’t as agressive as the afl we’re with tasmania then that’s a fault with our leadership

afl has shown what’s possible we shouldn’t accept second best solutions
I'm responding in kind to PR ,who is comparing the way the Tasmanian bidders/govt did it .
I know what the AFL does because they have a damn side more influence with state govt than the NRL does.And that sure as hell helps.
 

taipan

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Thats the NRLs job!
The NRL's job is the final piece of the cake. The bid has to be sustainable and having a brand new stadium on offer in the bid ,no AFL or NRL would refuse that in a singular bid.

Who requested the new stadium? And having an AFL aligned Govt prepared to spend such a large sum is a no brainer.Would WA govt spend that sort of bread on the Perth Reds? After all it's a big resource rich state.
And bear in mind most state Govt's in AFL states in particular hold a lot more sway with the AFL,than the NRL would in state Govt's like SA & WA.

That's why I find the comparison saying oh the new Tasmanian team got this the NRL should be able to do likewise.Any wonder.
A state govt prepared to spend a fortune on a small stadium, the Feds following suit, of course the AFL said OK Jose.
We can't even get our state govt in Nooo Souff Wales to cough up loot for upgrades to at least 3 stadiums .Yet Tasmania is able to bring up diamonds for a 23k stadium.
 

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The NRL's job is the final piece of the cake. The bid has to be sustainable and having a brand new stadium on offer in the bid ,no AFL or NRL would refuse that in a singular bid.

Who requested the new stadium? And having an AFL aligned Govt prepared to spend such a large sum is a no brainer.Would WA govt spend that sort of bread on the Perth Reds? After all it's a big resource rich state.
And bear in mind most state Govt's in AFL states in particular hold a lot more sway with the AFL,than the NRL would in state Govt's like SA & WA.

That's why I find the comparison saying oh the new Tasmanian team got this the NRL should be able to do likewise.Any wonder.
A state govt prepared to spend a fortune on a small stadium, the Feds following suit, of course the AFL said OK Jose.
We can't even get our state govt in Nooo Souff Wales to cough up loot for upgrades to at least 3 stadiums .Yet Tasmania is able to bring up diamonds for a 23k stadium.
Until you see our fool of a premier constantly walking around in his green tank top carrying his sherrin it doesn’t make sense. The guy is a complete wanker
 

Perth Red

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The NRL's job is the final piece of the cake. The bid has to be sustainable and having a brand new stadium on offer in the bid ,no AFL or NRL would refuse that in a singular bid.

Who requested the new stadium? And having an AFL aligned Govt prepared to spend such a large sum is a no brainer.Would WA govt spend that sort of bread on the Perth Reds? After all it's a big resource rich state.
And bear in mind most state Govt's in AFL states in particular hold a lot more sway with the AFL,than the NRL would in state Govt's like SA & WA.

That's why I find the comparison saying oh the new Tasmanian team got this the NRL should be able to do likewise.Any wonder.
A state govt prepared to spend a fortune on a small stadium, the Feds following suit, of course the AFL said OK Jose.
We can't even get our state govt in Nooo Souff Wales to cough up loot for upgrades to at least 3 stadiums .Yet Tasmania is able to bring up diamonds for a 23k stadium.
Not saying we should get a new stadium, what I’m saying is the nrl had an obligation to be asking for it and using this amazing opportunity that has been presented to it to set up the game in WA. That’s it’s charter and mandate after all.
It might be a compromise that instead hbf park gets a new north and west stand anda centre fo excellence for the game, but Unless the nrl actually goes to the table with a list of demands then the wa govt, as it should, will do the min it needs to do to get a team here. That’s why it’s the nrls responsibility to be laying out it’s demands.
the actual possible bid teams have no leverage as they aren’t offering any guarantees. The nrl can guarantee a license for perth if x,y and a demands are met, that’s what afl did in tassie and is exactly what nrl should be doing in perth.
 

Wb1234

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Not saying we should get a new stadium, what I’m saying is the nrl had an obligation to be asking for it and using this amazing opportunity that has been presented to it to set up the game in WA. That’s it’s charter and mandate after all.
It might be a compromise that instead hbf park gets a new north and west stand anda centre fo excellence for the game, but Unless the nrl actually goes to the table with a list of demands then the wa govt, as it should, will do the min it needs to do to get a team here. That’s why it’s the nrls responsibility to be laying out it’s demands.
the actual possible bid teams have no leverage as they aren’t offering any guarantees. The nrl can guarantee a license for perth if x,y and a demands are met, that’s what afl did in tassie and is exactly what nrl should be doing in perth.
Yet when I told you hbf park was rundown and Perth should get an new stadium you disagreed

good to see you are on board now
 

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Yet when I told you hbf park was rundown and Perth should get an new stadium you disagreed

good to see you are on board now
Now you’re being disengenuous. Hbf park isn’t run down, hbf park could do with a new west stand and roof on south stand,
would love a new stadium at Burswood but having spent $150mill plus so far on hbf park it’s highly unlikely.
glad we could clear that up.
 

Wb1234

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Now you’re being disengenuous. Hbf park isn’t run down, hbf park could do with a new west stand and roof on south stand,
would love a new stadium at Burswood but having spent $150mill plus so far on hbf park it’s highly unlikely.
glad we could clear that up.
So I was right

anyways sunk cost fallacy
 

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It’s only a sunk cost fallacy if the current stadium can’t be brought up to standard. If spending another 100M on HBF brings it up to a good modern standard then it’s a better option than dropping 4x that into a new stadium.
Thing with hbf is it’s not owned by state govt, it’s owned by local council, back when it got refurbed in 2011 the govt signed a 25 year lease for $20mill cost. It might be that the govt would prefer not to be at the mercy of the local council and build anew stadium to maximise the investment in infrastructure at Burswood. Or it may be having spent $150mill it’s better to spend another $150mill finishing hbf than spending $300-400mill on a new stadium. Either way unless the nrl is actually demanding something stadium wise the govt isnt just going to offer it up.
 

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Thing with hbf is it’s not owned by state govt, it’s owned by local council, back when it got refurbed in 2011 the govt signed a 25 year lease for $20mill cost. It might be that the govt would prefer not to be at the mercy of the local council and build anew stadium to maximise the investment in infrastructure at Burswood. Or it may be having spent $150mill it’s better to spend another $150mill finishing hbf than spending $300-400mill on a new stadium. Either way unless the nrl is actually demanding something stadium wise the govt isnt just going to offer it up.
I can't imagine that's a huge impediment though- local council is just a lower tier of state government after all.
 

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Me too: NRL wants ‘essential’ upgrade to Suncorp Stadium for 2032 Olympics

The NRL is demanding Suncorp Stadium not be overlooked for funding ahead of the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games, warning it will have passed its useful life by then. TAKE OUR POLL

Matthew Killoran

July 04, 2023 5:52 am

The NRL is demanding Suncorp Stadium not be overlooked for funding ahead of the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games, warning it will have passed its useful life by then.

In a sign rugby league has woken up to the fact the AFL and cricket will be the main beneficiaries of the $7bn infrastructure spend, it has made a surprise bid for the state government and Olympics Organising Committee to get behind upgrading the stadium.

The move blindsided the government, which said the stadium was already considered one of the best of its kind in the world and “that will be as true in 2032 as it is today”.

While $2.7bn is being splashed on the Gabba Stadium, there has been no formal commitment to upgrading Suncorp Stadium.

Rugby league is not an Olympic sport, but the stadium will host the Olympic soccer and rugby 7s finals.

The NRL is warning the stadium will be about 30 years old by the 2032 Games and will need “essential” upgrades to meet Olympic standards.

These would include to technology and connectivity, seat replacement, as well as new and improved hospitality, food and beverage services.

It is understood representatives for peak sporting bodies of “rectangular field sports” – soccer, rugby league and rugby union – have been meeting in private to ensure there is an Olympic legacy for their sports.

NRL general manager of partnerships Jaymes Boland-Rudder said Suncorp’s patronage was 70 per cent higher than the Gabba, which would soon be “the most expensive piece of sporting infrastructure in Australia”.

“It is important that Suncorp Stadium is not overlooked for funding,” he said in a submission to the Senate inquiry into Australia’s preparedness to host the Olympics.

ARL commissioner Kate Jones said there had been a lot of focus on the Gabba, but Suncorp Stadium would be nearly 30 years old by 2032.

“It’s held up beautifully and it’s still regarded as a great stadium,” she said.

“But we want to make sure it’s world-class when the eyes of the world are on Brisbane in 2032.”

Sports Minister Stirling Hinchliffe’s spokesman said visiting International Olympic Committee officials commented last year that Suncorp Stadium was of a high standard and capable of holding Olympic events tomorrow if required.

“The Queensland government has a close working partnership with the NRL,” he said.

“Views expressed by the NRL in their Senate Committee submission have not previously been discussed with the Queensland government.”

He said the stadiums corporate areas had been recently upgraded, $11m was invested this year in accessibility and technology upgrades for the FIFA Women’s World Cup, $10m was committed in 2024 for two lifts and the replacement of 30,000 seats, and that $43m had been spent over the past decade.

“The NRL has benefited greatly from the state government’s investment in not only Suncorp stadium but Queensland Country Bank Stadium in Townsville, CBUS Super Stadium on the Gold Coast and the upgrade of Browne Park, Rockhampton, starting later this year,” he said.
Good, I've been waiting for the NRL to speak up about this. There is no way that the AFL stadium in Brisbane should be bigger than the NRL stadium. Suncorp arguably should have been 60k when redeveloped 20 years ago but that's done now.

NRL, RU and Soccer need to get all over this Olympic money. NRL is the overwhelmingly dominant sport in our city and therefore there should be a legacy left for it. Soccer and Union can help lobby as they are Olympic sports (to justify the upgrades) and will benefit from them also.

Suncorp will no doubt host soccer matches and the soccer final and we can get the change to have a 30k stadium built to host RU 7's which can be a legacy home for the Roar and Reds games and some lower drawing RL matches. From a purely selfish RL point of view... the NRL should be pushing hard for a Suncorp upgrade to 70k (there won't be any further upgrades until at least 2060 after this so may as well build for growth) and a 30k stadium at either Redcliffe or somewhere in northern Brisbane for the Dolphins to play out of full-time.
 

It's Been Done

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Good, I've been waiting for the NRL to speak up about this. There is no way that the AFL stadium in Brisbane should be bigger than the NRL stadium. Suncorp arguably should have been 60k when redeveloped 20 years ago but that's done now.

NRL, RU and Soccer need to get all over this Olympic money. NRL is the overwhelmingly dominant sport in our city and therefore there should be a legacy left for it. Soccer and Union can help lobby as they are Olympic sports (to justify the upgrades) and will benefit from them also.

Suncorp will no doubt host soccer matches and the soccer final and we can get the change to have a 30k stadium built to host RU 7's which can be a legacy home for the Roar and Reds games and some lower drawing RL matches. From a purely selfish RL point of view... the NRL should be pushing hard for a Suncorp upgrade to 70k (there won't be any further upgrades until at least 2060 after this so may as well build for growth) and a 30k stadium at either Redcliffe or somewhere in northern Brisbane for the Dolphins to play out of full-time.
Problem with Suncorp is it's squashed by streets on mainly the Western Side which prevents any expansion without a likely controversial land acquisition program. At least it's better integrated to the rest of the stadium compared to the Northern Stand at Millennium Stadium in Cardiff which is the remains of it's predecessor stadium.
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beave

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Problem with Suncorp is it's squashed by streets on mainly the Western Side which prevents any expansion without a likely controversial land acquisition program. At least it's better integrated to the rest of the stadium compared to the Northern Stand at Millennium Stadium in Cardiff which is the remains of it's predecessor stadium.
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There is a way to increase Suncorp but it would need to be knocked down and moved eastward and over the top of Hale St.
 

mongoose

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Problem with Suncorp is it's squashed by streets on mainly the Western Side which prevents any expansion without a likely controversial land acquisition program. At least it's better integrated to the rest of the stadium compared to the Northern Stand at Millennium Stadium in Cardiff which is the remains of it's predecessor stadium.
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have you seen how squashed in the Gabba is? it literally hangs over the top of Stanley street.
 

Perth Red

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It’d be good to get Suncorp to 60k bit hard to see govt stumping up the significant $’s it would take when there’s not really a need for the Olympics

wed be better lobbying for a Redcliffe or Ipswich 30k stadium for future nrl club use.

it’s been nearly 4 years since qlnd put the bid together, why’s it taken arlc this long to ask for something?
 

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