The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Perth Red]

Given its the bloody countries capital the feds should be the ones funding Canberra development to actually make it look like a capital city!

 

[Wb1234]

I am familiar with Canberra and it’s not feasible.

Was waiting for you to show up with your usual dose of positivity

 

[The Great Dane]

There’s technically feasible and there’s practically feasible… I’m guessing this is the former

Yes, if you mean that it isn't practically feasible.

I went into it in more detail in this post-

A 25k stadium won't fit on the site and Pocock doesn't have any power in the ACT government at all, let alone enough to get it over the line. 25k is too small anyway considering the rate that the city is growing, and isn't big enough to be competitive as a host for the sort of larger events that we miss out on at the moment.

His plans and renders seem to include extensive development in Commonwealth Park and on other NCA land as well, such as the pool(?) in front of the Archbishop's house in the above picture, most of which you can rule out straight away. There's no way that the NCA will allow that level of development within the Parliamentary Triangle, especially in places directly bordering the lake like Commonwealth Park. You'd also stir up all the NIMBYs in Canberra, and a probably a bunch of other people nationally as well, if you even attempted that level of development in the Triangle.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that he's the lone voice pushing back against plans for Bruce or EPIC, but this plan is a total non-starter. The only people that look at this and think it's realistic are deluded footy fans who are totally out of touch with the broader community, and Pocock will need to form his own party and at least oust the Greens to form a coalition government with Labour before he/his party has anywhere near the pull necessary within local politics to even begin working on making any of his larger ideas a reality.

I forgot to mention that it'd be prohibitively expensive as well. Turning Parkes Way into a tunnel and building a new stadium on top of it would almost certainly cost over a billion dollars in the current economy, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Any politician that took such a costly stadium project to an election, or allowed such a project's budget to blow out that much, would be committing political suicide even if the Federal government were helping to fund the project.

So yeah, it's a complete non-starter and the resulting 25k stadium wouldn't suit the community's needs even if it was feasible.

 

[The Great Dane]

Was waiting for you to show up with your usual dose of positivity

Pocock's plan is totally impractical and no amount of "positivity" will change that.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Pocock's plan is totally impractical and no amount of "positivity" will change that.

People on this thread are obsessed with the all singing all dancing billion dollar roofed stadiums that they think every city SHOULD have… not so much with the practicalities of getting them funded and built

 

[Wb1234]

People on this thread are obsessed with the all singing all dancing billion dollar roofed stadiums that they think every city SHOULD have… not so much with the practicalities of getting them funded and built

Tasmania Perth and the gabba will have managed it

seems like when it comes to afl / cricket grounds it’s easy enough

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Tasmania Perth and the gabba will have managed it

seems like when it comes to afl / cricket grounds it’s easy enough

Yeh, helps when two codes get together and lobby in the back rooms with their proposition of year-round use stadiums. It’ll dawn on the NRL and A League one day. One day. Hopefully in our lifetime.

 

[Perth Red]

Tasmania Perth and the gabba will have managed it

seems like when it comes to afl / cricket grounds it’s easy enough

Tbf
tassie is being funded largely by feds and at insistence of a comp as a prerequisite of admission of new team
Perth because we are just silly rich due to mining and can afford such largesses
Gabba because of olympics

so for those three examples there’s reasons they are happening which isn’t relevant to canberra

 

[Wb1234]

Tbf
tassie is being funded largely by feds and at insistence of a comp as a prerequisite of admission of new team
Perth because we are just silly rich due to mining and can afford such largesses
Gabba because of olympics

so for those three examples there’s reasons they are happening which isn’t relevant to canberra

They wanted it more and didn’t take no for an answer

 

[Wb1234]

Yeh, helps when two codes get together and lobby in the back rooms with their proposition of year-round use stadiums. It’ll dawn on the NRL and A League one day. One day. Hopefully in our lifetime.

Union too

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Union too

They don’t talk to us, do they?

 

[Timbo]

They wanted it more and didn’t take no for an answer

This comment is so removed from reality it isn't funny.

Canberra is safe ALP at the territory government level, and it's three federal house seats are safe Labor with only slight challenge from the Greens in one of them.

Perth and Tasmania swing hard, so they get more money thrown at them by the Feds. This idea that 'they didn't take no for an answer' is so dumb I feel like I've lost IQ points from reading it. They got their stadiums because the governments are trying to buy votes off football fans. Something they don't have to do now or ever in Canberra.

 

[Desert Qlder]

Great comments from the FA CEO talking about the inadequecies in stadium infrastructure in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide.

 

[Wb1234]

This comment is so removed from reality it isn't funny.

Canberra is safe ALP at the territory government level, and it's three federal house seats are safe Labor with only slight challenge from the Greens in one of them.

Perth and Tasmania swing hard, so they get more money thrown at them by the Feds. This idea that 'they didn't take no for an answer' is so dumb I feel like I've lost IQ points from reading it. They got their stadiums because the governments are trying to buy votes off football fans. Something they don't have to do now or ever in Canberra.

Tasmania got a stadium over the wishes of the local population

the act is crying out for a new stadium

league is the dominant sport union second it’s ridiculous that counts for nothing

 

[Jamberoo]

Great comments from the FA CEO talking about the inadequecies in stadium infrastructure in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide.

He is forgetting how greedy and corrupt FIFA is. Not sure they would knock back a semi in Melbourne with 105k for half that in Brisbane. Money talks.

Also, if ACCOR is rectangular then so is Marvel (moot point as not available in winter) and Optus (With the 5k drop in seats). MCG may well do drop in seats or a moveable stand when the Warne Stand is rebuilt around 2030 - they can afford it. Without the ovals Australia has just three suitable venues. Even if Canberra got a 40k stadium and a couple of others were expanded, MCG, Optus, Adelaide and possible the Gabba and Geelong would need to be included In any bid. Even then we would need to partner with NZ (currently one 40k stadium), or Indonesia, who have plenty of stadiums, most with athletics tracks, so not really rectangular either.

 

[Munky]

Fifa would never allow the time zones for an Aussie world cup.

They struggled to sell the TV rights for the Women's WC to Europe.

They'd get so much less from the US and Europe if the Men's WC was played here than in a TV friendly time zone.

The 2002 WC was in Japan/South Korea but that was allocated before the TV rights explosion in pro sport.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Fifa would never allow the time zones for an Aussie world cup.

They struggled to sell the TV rights for the Women's WC to Europe.

They'd get so much less from the US and Europe if the Men's WC was played here than in a TV friendly time zone.

The 2002 WC was in Japan/South Korea but that was allocated before the TV rights explosion in pro sport.

Yeh, that’s the main issue against us getting it. Probably a lot more TV sets have popped up in China since Japan/S.Korea so ratings could be decent?

 

[The Great Dane]

Tasmania got a stadium over the wishes of the local population

the act is crying out for a new stadium

league is the dominant sport union second it’s ridiculous that counts for nothing

Whether RL is the most popular sport here is highly debatable, but Union definitely isn't the second most popular sport in the ACT.

It's irrelevant anyway as the popularity of each sport is totally irrelevant to the political situation that the ACT is in. The ACT is a safe seat for Labour that will never swing to the Libs, so there's little political impetus for the Feds to get involved like they have in other cases.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Yeh, that’s the main issue against us getting it. Probably a lot more TV sets have popped up in China since Japan/S.Korea so ratings could be decent?

The time zone problem could be much less in a decade or two- in pure population terms we’re in a friendly time zone for a good chunk of the world population in East Asia, and it’s probably the part that’s going to have the most economic growth in the next few decades.

 

[TheRam]

Well there is an option to make comment on this proposal. I hope everyone that cares about a Canberra city stadium take a few minutes and expresses their feeling about it. It can only help if people are engaged, right?

It would be an amazing development and brilliant transformation for Canberra as a city if all the proposed suggestions were to ever get the green light. Canberra would actually be worth a visit from time to time by us cocky big city folk who don't see the point right now.

I mean imagine Eels playing Raiders on a Saturday arvo, jump on a train in the morning and an hour and a half later smack bang in the city centre of Canberra and a few minutes after that sitting in a cafe/bar/restaurant and then an hour or two later stroll up and into a great new comfy all weather stadium. Then at full time and with a broad undying smile on my face after the Eels smash the Raider hit a bar or two on the way back for the pleasant return hour and a half train trip home, probably with a whole bunch of new found Parra fans and we all chat/laugh and relive the shellacking we just gave those wanker green Viking wannabes in their own new home digs. What a great day!!!

Now that would be a dream come true.