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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

The Great Dane

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And yet the raiders average close to three times the brumbies so much that the brumbies are playing at Manuka

Canberra is back in rugby league hands the novelty of the brumbies has gone
RU's struggles in Canberra, and the country more broadly FTM, are almost completely self inflicted injuries, and had little to nothing to do with RL. If anything the AFL has been more of a thorn in RU's side in Canberra than the NRL, and you'd struggle to find any ex-Brumbies fans at Raiders games aside from those whom always had an interest in both sports and the completely shameless bandwagoners.

In other words the Brumbies would still be struggling even if the Raiders didn't exist at all. It's also only just over a decade ago that the fortunes of both clubs were more or less reversed, and it wouldn't take much for the Raiders to sink back down to that level.

Describing Canberra as being 'back in rugby league hands' is not only reductive, but just flat out wrong. Canberra has never been a RL city in the sense that Sydney and Brisbane are, and likely never will be.
Aussie Rules is the sleeping giant in Canberra, and if it ever wakes up it'll be as big as the Raiders, if not slightly bigger, from day one.
 

The Great Dane

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Getting marquee games surely would support a bid for a new stadium? An Anzac Day game on Anzac Day would be a bloody good start. We can but dream.
The ACT government's infrastructure budget is totally tied up with the light rail. In other words it doesn't matter what marquee games are offered, they can't afford to build a new stadium unless they pause construction of the light rail, which is never going to happen.

If anything the sporting bodies, particularly the NRL, need to publicly ban Canberra from hosting major matches until the stadium is replaced, but that's a separate discussion. Allowing Bruce to host the prelim in 2019 set the push for a new stadium back decades.
 

Wb1234

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RU's struggles in Canberra, and the country more broadly FTM, are almost completely self inflicted injuries, and had little to nothing to do with RL. If anything the AFL has been more of a thorn in RU's side in Canberra than the NRL, and you'd struggle to find any ex-Brumbies fans at Raiders games aside from those whom always had an interest in both sports and the completely shameless bandwagoners.

In other words the Brumbies would still be struggling even if the Raiders didn't exist at all. It's also only just over a decade ago that the fortunes of both clubs were more or less reversed, and it wouldn't take much for the Raiders to sink back down to that level.

Describing Canberra as being 'back in rugby league hands' is not only reductive, but just flat out wrong. Canberra has never been a RL city in the sense that Sydney and Brisbane are, and likely never will be.
Aussie Rules is the sleeping giant in Canberra, and if it ever wakes up it'll be as big as the Raiders, if not slightly bigger, from day one.
Maybe in your mind

facts show raiders get the highest tv ratings and crowds out of any code

Afl don’t even want to give Canberra their own team just a hand me down from Sydney
 

Timbo

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There is a real genuine failure to appreciate the uniqueness of the Canberra sporting landscape here.

A lot of people who vote with their wallets in Canberra are public servants who come from somewhere else in Australia. There are a lot of transplanted southern staters in the ACT. It's also got an unusually high percentage of children who go to private schools due to the higher than average wages. Schoolboy rugby is big business in Canberra, as is schoolboy AFL.

Yes, geographically it may be in the middle of rugby league heartland. But the reality is that it's actually more of a melting pot of wealthier than average folks from all around the country mixed into the same spot.

The fact that the AFL doesn't want to give them their own team is not a reflection on how the AFL views the town. The AFL believes that three matches a year from GWS is all they need to keep it strong in Canberra. The AFL was extremely reluctant to give Tasmania a side as well - the AFL just doesn't particularly love regional markets as it doesn't feel they add to its broadcast deal. Only two of its 18 teams are not in the five main capital cities.

The support for the Raiders is really a product of them having been around the longest in the Canberra sportscape. But AFL and Union do have massive pockets of support as well.
 

Pneuma

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There is a real genuine failure to appreciate the uniqueness of the Canberra sporting landscape here.

A lot of people who vote with their wallets in Canberra are public servants who come from somewhere else in Australia. There are a lot of transplanted southern staters in the ACT. It's also got an unusually high percentage of children who go to private schools due to the higher than average wages. Schoolboy rugby is big business in Canberra, as is schoolboy AFL.

Yes, geographically it may be in the middle of rugby league heartland. But the reality is that it's actually more of a melting pot of wealthier than average folks from all around the country mixed into the same spot.

The fact that the AFL doesn't want to give them their own team is not a reflection on how the AFL views the town. The AFL believes that three matches a year from GWS is all they need to keep it strong in Canberra. The AFL was extremely reluctant to give Tasmania a side as well - the AFL just doesn't particularly love regional markets as it doesn't feel they add to its broadcast deal. Only two of its 18 teams are not in the five main capital cities.

The support for the Raiders is really a product of them having been around the longest in the Canberra sportscape. But AFL and Union do have massive pockets of support as well.
I’ve travelled to this place for 4 decades and your post is 100% correct
 

Wb1234

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There is a real genuine failure to appreciate the uniqueness of the Canberra sporting landscape here.

A lot of people who vote with their wallets in Canberra are public servants who come from somewhere else in Australia. There are a lot of transplanted southern staters in the ACT. It's also got an unusually high percentage of children who go to private schools due to the higher than average wages. Schoolboy rugby is big business in Canberra, as is schoolboy AFL.

Yes, geographically it may be in the middle of rugby league heartland. But the reality is that it's actually more of a melting pot of wealthier than average folks from all around the country mixed into the same spot.

The fact that the AFL doesn't want to give them their own team is not a reflection on how the AFL views the town. The AFL believes that three matches a year from GWS is all they need to keep it strong in Canberra. The AFL was extremely reluctant to give Tasmania a side as well - the AFL just doesn't particularly love regional markets as it doesn't feel they add to its broadcast deal. Only two of its 18 teams are not in the five main capital cities.

The support for the Raiders is really a product of them having been around the longest in the Canberra sportscape. But AFL and Union do have massive pockets of support as well.
Brumbies crowds tba
 

Steel Saints

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The Brumbies are the most successful Australian SR team, and arguably the most consistently successful professional team in Australian sport full stop, yet they're still dying on their arse. That's not to say that the stadium is totally responsible for that, but it is a contributing factor.

The Raiders didn't crack an average attendance over 20k when they made the top four in both 2016 and 2019, and relying solely on results on the pitch to move product is a terrible business plan. The Raiders could add 3-5k a season on average if they were playing out of a half decent stadium in a good location.

I'm not a massive basketball fan, but Perth Wildcats do alright. Since 1990, the Wildcats have won 10 championships.
 

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There is a real genuine failure to appreciate the uniqueness of the Canberra sporting landscape here.

A lot of people who vote with their wallets in Canberra are public servants who come from somewhere else in Australia. There are a lot of transplanted southern staters in the ACT. It's also got an unusually high percentage of children who go to private schools due to the higher than average wages. Schoolboy rugby is big business in Canberra, as is schoolboy AFL.

Yes, geographically it may be in the middle of rugby league heartland. But the reality is that it's actually more of a melting pot of wealthier than average folks from all around the country mixed into the same spot.

The fact that the AFL doesn't want to give them their own team is not a reflection on how the AFL views the town. The AFL believes that three matches a year from GWS is all they need to keep it strong in Canberra. The AFL was extremely reluctant to give Tasmania a side as well - the AFL just doesn't particularly love regional markets as it doesn't feel they add to its broadcast deal. Only two of its 18 teams are not in the five main capital cities.

The support for the Raiders is really a product of them having been around the longest in the Canberra sportscape. But AFL and Union do have massive pockets of support as well.
whats the canberra media like, I mean does the news usually run NRL first?

Silly Gil says AFL is closing in on NRL in QLD but League still very much dominates the media here. Brisbane Lions often runs second after NRL on the nightly news (although sometimes its the Reds) but they get a relatively shorter period of time. Ch 9 has Wally Lewis doing the sports report and 7 has Shane Webcke.
 
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Given the ugly side is always going to be the way the cameras point its always going to look a sht box sadly. Dont even now what they could do to get capacity to 25k now?

25k? geez man.

how you would do that is
put a new stadium somewhere else....

but
For fun

knock down the ET and souther stands and rebuild a 2 tier stand that covers half the ground that fit say 20k

leave the rest?
 

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The ACT government's infrastructure budget is totally tied up with the light rail. In other words it doesn't matter what marquee games are offered, they can't afford to build a new stadium unless they pause construction of the light rail, which is never going to happen.

If anything the sporting bodies, particularly the NRL, need to publicly ban Canberra from hosting major matches until the stadium is replaced, but that's a separate discussion. Allowing Bruce to host the prelim in 2019 set the push for a new stadium back decades.
would a modern stadium near a revitalised Civic do much to attract supporters from both Canberra and surrounding areas (and possibly more away fans) - for both rugby codes
 
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The NRL has bought the Hotel next to Shark Park.


The Australian Rugby League Commission has snapped up the Quest Woolooware Bay Hotel, its second accommodation acquisition, located next to the Cronulla Sharks’ home ground in Sydney’s south.

The purchase, for an undisclosed price, is part of the commission’s strategy to find revenue streams outside the NRL competition it administers. It scooped up its first hotel, Brisbane’s Gambaro, close to Suncorp Stadium, last year.

“The property is strategically positioned in close proximity to the Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks home ground PointsBet Stadium, in a newly developed commercial area,” the ARL Commission said in a statement. “The transaction results in a passive income stream at strong and stable yields.”

The Woolooware Bay Hotel, owned by property developer Novm, was listed for sale in May. It is part of the $1 billion Woolooware Bay Town Centre mixed-use development. The sale was brokered by CBRE’s Michael Simpson and Vasso Zographou.

“The location of Shark Park makes a lot of sense for the NRL as a buyer, but they bought it in the face of stiff competition,” Mr Simpson said.
“It’s a high-quality asset in a location where pretty much every single room has expansive views of the bay or golf course, which makes it quite a unique Quest hotel which often opts for other locations, as it does not want to operate as a five-star hotel.”

In the centre of Sydney’s Sutherland Shire, the serviced apartment hotel is due to open in late October and is leased to Quest Hotels. It can house up to 71 rooms as well as conference facilities, a business lounge and a gym. Quest Hotels is a member of The Ascott Limited chain of hotels, the largest serviced apartment network in the world.

Unlike the Brisbane-based Gambaro Hotel, the accommodation next to Shark Park will not be rebranded. The Gambaro has rooms that are named after “the game’s legendary players” including Wally Lewis, Allan Langer and Darren Lockyer suites.

Hotel deal activity has been strong in 2023, with investors keen to take advantage of the tourism boom and flexible hotel rates that can be charged even as other property asset classes, such as office, struggle to find buyers.

Earlier this year, CBRE forecast hotel deals were expected to top $2 billion as institutional and private investors look to grab a piece of Australia’s resurgent tourism sector.

Hilton Sydney was snapped up by Hong Kong-based investment manager Baring Private Equity Asia for $530 million, local fund manager Salter Brothers bought the Spicers Retreats brand and six resorts for about $130 million, and Syrian billionaire Ghassan Aboud secured the Rydges Sydney Harbour at The Rocks for a discounted $100 million.

The hotel transaction market largely froze in 2020. Just $682 million of assets changed hands as the COVID-19 pandemic forced the shutdown of much of the sector and occupancy rates fell into the single digits.


 

bazza

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Is this NRL owned property that is leased and operated by Quest

I hope that they got it for a cheap price
 

bazza

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Yeh

won’t have been cheap either

sharks don’t own it the developer did
I don't particularly like the NRL investing in things like this instead of spending the money on actually growing the grassroots game
Also don't like that this is associated so closely with a single NRL club - given it would provide favouritism and/or leverage over that club

At least the Brisbane hotel is in a central location that is not just rugby league related
 

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I don't particularly like the NRL investing in things like this instead of spending the money on actually growing the grassroots game
Also don't like that this is associated so closely with a single NRL club - given it would provide favouritism and/or leverage over that club

At least the Brisbane hotel is in a central location that is not just rugby league related
This one is a bit meh

the views are good

probably a much lower return than Brisbane’s ten percent

like the gambaro I guess when teams from interstate visit they can stay here rather than the nrl hiring elsehwhere

but for 20 to 30 million you can get way more bang for your buck

down the track the growing rents from these properties provides more revenue for the game to fund juniors etc
 

Perth Red

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lol Vlandys: 'Shark park has to be upgraded we wont abandon the suburbs'
next day announcement NRL buy hotel at shark park

Its an interesting investment strategy buying into a business that is well away from the core business of the parent company. Diversification can be good but can also be fraught with problems as many companies have found out.
 

Wb1234

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lol Vlandys: 'Shark park has to be upgraded we wont abandon the suburbs'
next day announcement NRL buy hotel at shark park

Its an interesting investment strategy buying into a business that is well away from the core business of the parent company. Diversification can be good but can also be fraught with problems as many companies have found out.
It’s a passive investment

they aren’t managing a hotel
 

Perth Red

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I don't particularly like the NRL investing in things like this instead of spending the money on actually growing the grassroots game
Also don't like that this is associated so closely with a single NRL club - given it would provide favouritism and/or leverage over that club

At least the Brisbane hotel is in a central location that is not just rugby league related
Nothing wrong with asset buying as long as it is returning decent yields and the asset value increases. Leads to more overall revenue eventually.
If the NRl should be getting into the hotel business, thats a different thing all together.
 

MugaB

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which makes you wonder what's the nrl's cut and what's the proprietors cut of the profit?
Probably just need to look at the gambaros financials, ive always said they should be investing in stadiums, but i suppose they'll be plenty of away teams able to use this hotel, as the shire isn't too far from the airport... or even if no one uses it, it has potential to raise funds for other ventures for the arlc to focus on
 

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