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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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docbrown said:
The way I see it, the Panthers are going to be one of the biggest clubs in Sydney by 2040. That area north of the airport and west of the M7 will have 1 to 1.5 million people in it. And they're the only club in that area.
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Parra panthers dogs going to be massive clubs going forward

other Sydney clubs going to struggle
 
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Wb1234 said:
Tigers are rip

they couldn’t organise a chook raffle

they had decades to own Campbelltown
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I'm not saying they're not a rabble but they've got more supporters than what people think. See the Google Trends link. They were 3rd in NSW this year above the Panthers & Bulldogs. The Panthers probably ended up leapfrogging them due to the grand final but that would put them 4th out of 9 Sydney clubs. They were only behind Rabbitohs & Eels when I looked at it. They were also ranked above the Bulldogs on Roy Morgan. The Roosters can show you what a few years on winning can do to boost a club's profile and support base.
 
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Wb1234 said:
you don’t know that

maybe wait till they get planning approval before making a conclusion lol.

the likelihood is it gets scaled back to 30k or 45k doesn’t have a roof

sorting out finance for a privately owned stadium is possible though
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it is impossible to make money on. So what Bank is going to loan for it?

AFL got Marvel pretty much given to them from the government it is viable because it is the number 2 venue in the state.

What extra events is coming to it? Certainly the Government isn't going to pay for a private company to run events when they can host them at their run stadiums.

Which includes Newcastle and Penrith to come. That gives them various sizes and locations
 
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docbrown said:
The way I see it, the Panthers are going to be one of the biggest clubs in Sydney by 2040. That area north of the airport and west of the M7 will have 1 to 1.5 million people in it. And they're the only club in that area.
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Another reason why the Stadium out here is getting an upgrade. It will have the population of Adelaide
 
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Iamback said:
it is impossible to make money on. So what Bank is going to loan for it?

AFL got Marvel pretty much given to them from the government it is viable because it is the number 2 venue in the state.

What extra events is coming to it? Certainly the Government isn't going to pay for a private company to run events when they can host them at their run stadiums.

Which includes Newcastle and Penrith to come. That gives them various sizes and locations
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Have you heard of construction loans ?
 
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Wb1234 said:
Parra panthers dogs going to be massive clubs going forward

other Sydney clubs going to struggle
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Already started. sydney clubs home avg crowds this year. of course form plays a big part for clubs like panthers, dragons and tigers. Not surprising mostly the clubs playing in decent stadiums are leading the way whilst the suburban ground clubs are lagging behind.

1. Roosters:
Total Average: 21,135 (Allianz & SCG)

2. Rabbitohs:
Total Average: 19,651 (Accor & Allianz)

3. Panthers:
Total Average: 19,575 (Bluebet stadium)

4. Eels:
Total Average: 18,901 (WSS)

5. Bulldogs:
Total Average: 17,358 (Accor & Belmore)

6. Sea Eagles:
Total Avg: 13,645 (Brookvale)

7. Tigers:
Total Average: 12,994 (Leichhardt, Campbelltown & WSS)

8. Dragons:
Total Average: 11,867 (Wollongong & Kogarah)

9. Sharks:
Total Average: 11,090 (Shark Park)
 
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Wb1234 said:
Have you heard of construction loans ?
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For hundreds of millions? Good luck getting one, and what club would be nuts enough to saddle itself with so much debt, they’ve only just barely started making a profit!

what might be more possible is to forgo the profit from the development and get the developer to build it. Still a long shot given costs of stadiums though. Unless nsw govt comes to the party with substantial funding sounds a pipe dream.
 
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Iamback said:
Yes but there needs to be chance to pay them off. It won't even be paid off in 50 years as an NRL only ground
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How do you know that lol
Perth Red said:
For hundreds of millions? Good luck getting one, and what club would be nuts enough to saddle itself with so much debt, they’ve only just barely started making a profit!

what might be more possible is to forgo the profit from the development and get the developer to build it. Still a long shot given costs of stadiums though. Unless nsw govt comes to the party with substantial funding sounds a pipe dream.
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profits from the development will enable the stadium

again I will repeat

others sources of income

1. sale of naming rights received as a lump sunp
2. Sale of seats to members
3. Debt facility

dogs will get 150 million ish from the development being sold to a developer
 
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Wb1234 said:
How do you know that lol

profits from the development will enable the stadium

again I will repeat

others sources of income

1. sale of naming rights received as a lump sunp
2. Sale of seats to members
3. Debt facility

dogs will get 150 million ish from the development being sold to a developer
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Because to pay $1b off at $5m a year. You are looking at 200 years to pay that off.

Even if you get half of that covered by selling apartments. Then you add interest, general upkeep of the stadium
 
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Iamback said:
Because to pay $1b off at $5m a year. You are looking at 200 years to pay that off.

Even if you get half of that covered by selling apartments. Then you add interest, general upkeep of the stadium
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Lucky for the dogs they aren’t relying on your project feasibility
 
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The Wests Tigers’ proposal to build a 20,000-seat stadium in Liverpool, in Sydney’s southwest, has been slammed by Inner West Council Mayor Darcy Byrne.

The proposal, led by Liverpool Mayor Ned Mannoun, remains in its early stages, but Mannoun told 2GB that it had been a long time coming.

It would be with a view to making Liverpool the Tigers’ permanent home, in a facility on the corner of the Hume Highway and Remembrance Avenue, in the heart of the city’s southwest.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports the plan is contingent on 3000 new apartments being built on the site, a mixture of private, public and build-to-rent properties from which the revenue collected would offset the cost of the stadium.

The proposal, however, was slammed as “ridiculous” by Inner West Council Mayor Darcy Byrne, whose Council is responsible for the Tigers’ spiritual home at the ageing Leichhardt Oval.

Leichhardt, as well as the club’s second home ground in Campbelltown, is slated to be upgraded pending funding from the state government.

“Any attempt to move Wests Tigers home ground to Liverpool will be met with hard resistance from supporters,” Mayor Byrne, himself a Tigers tragic, wrote in a statement.

“It’s not what the fans want, and there is no mandate to propose it.”

Byrne referred to the Tigers’ recent return to their traditional home grounds for 2024, eschewing larger and more modern facilities at Accor Stadium and CommBank Stadium respectively, and called on the club to focus its efforts on the field.
“After a decade of campaigning, we‘ve convinced the Club to return to our spiritual home grounds of Leichhardt and Campbelltown in 2024,” he said.

“The adopted position of Wests Tigers Board is to advocate for the long overdue funding to upgrade Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

“The ridiculous idea of now moving all home games to a new stadium in Liverpool, funded by property developers, is absurd and not in keeping with the Club‘s commitment to fans and members.

“Wests Tigers is a much loved sporting franchise not a property development company.

“The Club has no business advocating for housing policies in Liverpool, it‘s time to focus on winning football games and finally making the top eight.”

Lee Hagipantelis, the Club chairman, as well as A-League club Macarthur Bulls, who share the Tigers’ tenancy at Campbelltown, declined to comment when approached by the Herald.

www.foxsports.com.au

‘Not what the fans want’: Wests Tigers’ new stadium proposal slammed as ‘ridiculous’

‘Not what the fans want’: Wests Tigers’ new stadium proposal slammed as ‘ridiculous’
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au
 
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Perth Red said:
Already started. sydney clubs home avg crowds this year. of course form plays a big part for clubs like panthers, dragons and tigers. Not surprising mostly the clubs playing in decent stadiums are leading the way whilst the suburban ground clubs are lagging behind.

1. Roosters:
Total Average: 21,135 (Allianz & SCG)

2. Rabbitohs:
Total Average: 19,651 (Accor & Allianz)

3. Panthers:
Total Average: 19,575 (Bluebet stadium)

4. Eels:
Total Average: 18,901 (WSS)

5. Bulldogs:
Total Average: 17,358 (Accor & Belmore)

6. Sea Eagles:
Total Avg: 13,645 (Brookvale)

7. Tigers:
Total Average: 12,994 (Leichhardt, Campbelltown & WSS)

8. Dragons:
Total Average: 11,867 (Wollongong & Kogarah)

9. Sharks:
Total Average: 11,090 (Shark Park)
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Gees, you'd think that the Sharks would be doing better than that - sure they were "flat track bullies" this year, but they weren't at the butt-end of the table all season like the Tigers & Dragons.
 
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