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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

jim_57

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I dont really care, just a sht look for the country and for Brisbane that it will be hosted in the worse stadium in a hundred years.



Not at all, I've enjoyed my trips to Brisbane for work and play. World cup final weekend was a blast.

I doubt it will happen but no reason a lot of the ‘field’ events couldn’t be held at Suncorp as well as the opening and closing ceremonies if it ends up still being the larger capacity stadium. Some tweaks required sure but definitely doable.

For $2.7 billion they could surely get Suncorp upgraded as well as a more modest upgrade of the Gabba to get it to 40-45k for the track events and field events that won’t work at Suncorp.

If the end result was a 60k+ Suncorp and a 45k Gabba it would leave Brisbane in a perfect position post-Olympics. Under the current plan they’d end up with a flashy oval stadium that would rarely get filled and a 30 year old rectangular stadium that is due a capacity increase and upgraded facilities.
 

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I have a relative who was one of the last venue managers of the old SFS. He said it was a death trap in terms of emergency access and egress, and they had been told by the emergency services that after the existing safety certificate it would not be extended.

Now he retired before the decision was made to knock it down and rebuild it, so I have no idea how much it would have cost to fix that, but I imagine it couldn't have been cheap. In addition to re-locating the corporate seats to the sidelines, probably would have been fairly expensive.

My question about the SFS remains why did it have to be a 45,000 seat stadium. A 30,000 seat club stadium would have been perfect for the Roosters, Rabbitohs, Waratahs and Sydney FC. It also would have been fine for most Socceroos games and non-Bledisloe or Lions Wallabies tests. Concerts would have the ability to use the SCG and Accor if they needed the larger capacity, but there are a number of 30,000 seat stadiums that are designed with a modular end area for a stage that allow them to hold 40-50,000 for concerts.

Once they decided they weren't building a 65,000 seat stadium at Moore Park and sell off Homebush and demolish it like Baird wanted to do, I don't know why the SFS wasn't designed as something more boutique, but with the flexibility to hold more for concerts.
So they could increase their SCG members area
 

SLRBRONCOS

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What does this mean for the naming rights of Suncorp Stadium? (only the big issues in this thread)

I think that it's just the bank that is being absorbed by ANZ and Suncorp will remain as an insurance company.
 

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Look at the Commonwealth games, They can't get anyone to host them.

Olympics has more options but is limited to the same Middle East countries and possibly China or USA unless they loosen the rules
There’s been issues over the last few decades of host nations spending up on venues that turned into white elephants afterwards and were a bad look for the Olympic movement. Rio was a particularly obvious example. The IOC to their credit have realised that.
 
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There’s been issues over the last few decades of host nations spending up on venues that turned into white elephants afterwards and were a bad look for the Olympic movement. Rio was a particularly obvious example. The IOC to their credit have realised that.

Its one of the reasons so many countries are now more reluctant to bid for the Olympic Games - cost due to construction of new facilities.
 

Munky

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The major sports are a no brainer but the smaller sports are un needed

What major sports at the Olympics are worth it for the host country?

A new stadium with a running track is beyond useless for any non cricket playing country.

A full swimming stadium will unlikely ever get capacity again.

Manchester built its Commonwealth Games stadium at a lowish capacity in order to dig in and convert to a soccer pitch.

Converting a large capacity Olympic stadium in London cost £323m on top of £428m original construction costs.
 

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What major sports at the Olympics are worth it for the host country?

A new stadium with a running track is beyond useless for any non cricket playing country.

A full swimming stadium will unlikely ever get capacity again.

Manchester built its Commonwealth Games stadium at a lowish capacity in order to dig in and convert to a soccer pitch.

Converting a large capacity Olympic stadium in London cost £323m on top of £428m original construction costs.

Soccer Stadiums, Indoor arena for the Basketball - concerts later for those countries without basketball

That is about it
 

SpaceMonkey

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Soccer Stadiums, Indoor arena for the Basketball - concerts later for those countries without basketball

That is about it
Yeah that’s the reality of it. I think in future we’ll see more opening ceremonies in football stadiums because that’s really where the most countries can justify spending big on 60k+ capacity venues.
Athletics just isn’t the same drawcard week in week out.
 

jim_57

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Yeah that’s the reality of it. I think in future we’ll see more opening ceremonies in football stadiums because that’s really where the most countries can justify spending big on 60k+ capacity venues.
Athletics just isn’t the same drawcard week in week out.

Given that the vast majority of the world would have a preference for rectangular stadiums it’s time for a rethink of how the olympics is structured.

No reason a large amount of the field events, and ceremonies can’t be at rectangular stadiums. All the jumping events, most if not all of the throwing events. The opening ceremony where they parade out all the athletes can be done so they do a lap or 2 then all but a select few exit the field.

Obviously need an oval for the running but that could be a more modest stadium or even just a track with a lot of temp seating around it for cities with no oval sports.

It’s a shame because this could have been a perfect situation for Brisbane & Queensland to sort out most of their stadium issues at once instead of just throwing $3b at the Gabba which is and will remain the 2nd most used stadium by some distance.

For that price plus maybe some change they could probably do an upgrade to Suncorp to 60k, upgrade the Gabba to 40-45k and build a 2nd rectangular 20-25k stadium somewhere like Perry Park or on the outskirts of the city. Add in the planned upgrades in places like Sunshine Coast, Cairns & Toowoomba and most of Queensland is pretty much set for the next 20+ years.
 

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Given that the vast majority of the world would have a preference for rectangular stadiums it’s time for a rethink of how the olympics is structured.

No reason a large amount of the field events, and ceremonies can’t be at rectangular stadiums. All the jumping events, most if not all of the throwing events. The opening ceremony where they parade out all the athletes can be done so they do a lap or 2 then all but a select few exit the field.

Obviously need an oval for the running but that could be a more modest stadium or even just a track with a lot of temp seating around it for cities with no oval sports.

It’s a shame because this could have been a perfect situation for Brisbane & Queensland to sort out most of their stadium issues at once instead of just throwing $3b at the Gabba which is and will remain the 2nd most used stadium by some distance.

For that price plus maybe some change they could probably do an upgrade to Suncorp to 60k, upgrade the Gabba to 40-45k and build a 2nd rectangular 20-25k stadium somewhere like Perry Park or on the outskirts of the city. Add in the planned upgrades in places like Sunshine Coast, Cairns & Toowoomba and most of Queensland is pretty much set for the next 20+ years.
The former QLD PM got charmed by Gil from the AFL and made some critically stupid decisions. The new chap is cleaning up the mess.
 

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You can't do field events on a conventional rectangular stadium. For the javelin You need at least 30 metres for the run-up plus at least another 100 metres for the landing zone. The hammer needs a lot of space for safety reasons.

Plus the whole appeal of track and field is that there is something happening all the time - track, a throwing event and a jumping event.

Track and field is a core event of the Olympics and basically without it there is no Olympics. They won't be changing how they run their program, the host city will need to find a way to accommodate their needs.
 

jim_57

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You can't do field events on a conventional rectangular stadium. For the javelin You need at least 30 metres for the run-up plus at least another 100 metres for the landing zone. The hammer needs a lot of space for safety reasons.

Plus the whole appeal of track and field is that there is something happening all the time - track, a throwing event and a jumping event.

Track and field is a core event of the Olympics and basically without it there is no Olympics. They won't be changing how they run their program, the host city will need to find a way to accommodate their needs.

Shot Put, Long, High & Triple Jumps & Pole Vault are all doable. So Discus, Javelin, Hammer Throw and the Runs would obviously have to be elsewhere.

Point is Olympics has been leaving a trail of white elephants behind it and they’re obviously starting to realise that by the lack of interest in hosting and the relaxing of hosting requirements. Brisbane ran unopposed in the end didn’t they? And with a 50k stadium at that.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Shot Put, Long, High & Triple Jumps & Pole Vault are all doable. So Discus, Javelin, Hammer Throw and the Runs would obviously have to be elsewhere.

Point is Olympics has been leaving a trail of white elephants behind it and they’re obviously starting to realise that by the lack of interest in hosting and the relaxing of hosting requirements. Brisbane ran unopposed in the end didn’t they? And with a 50k stadium at that.
No one is going to go and watch field events on their own. Track and field is a package.
 

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