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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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Bench
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it's a Grand Final!

The biggest game of the year.

It struggles to support it when the NRL is routinely forced to flog off thousands of free or heavily discounted tickets days out from the game.

Your sentiment is bs. Brisbane struggle to sell out Origin with the ticket prices seats go for these days. Sydney is the same.

Yes I agree that Sydney is apathetic when it comes to attending matches, but the Grand Final always does well. It's hardly any reason to move it.

Would the people of Brisbane pay $300 a ticket to watch the Roosters vs Canberra at Suncorp? Some might.
 

adamkungl

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it's a Grand Final!

The biggest game of the year.

It struggles to support it when the NRL is routinely forced to flog off thousands of free or heavily discounted tickets days out from the game.

And it will still make millions more $ than if it was held in the next largest stadium in the country..
 

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Bench
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Brisbane hasn't had to actually justify their support with anything like this ever.

They do well with internationals when they have them. And a couple of years ago when Suncorp hosted a double header 2 days after hosting origin. The Queenslanders support well.

But it has nothing to do with moving the Grand Final away from Sydney. Punishing Sydney by taking the grand final away is a stupid reason to do it.

If it goes on the road, it does so because hosting rights went to tender and the hosting city paid the most. Minimum of a 50'000 seat stadium that is or can be configured to rectangle fields. MCG excluded.

The NSW state government will pay the most every time. It won't be going any where for 20 years once the stadium is upgraded.
 

M2D2

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Why the f**k would i spend a cent for two teams i have no connection with, when i can drink all day, put in a leg of lamb in the oven and slow roast that shit so i can eat that inbetween The Reggies Superbowl and the main game.
Because its the Grand Final? Why the f**k should Neutrals have to make sure it sells out?
If anything the NRL should be commended for giving away tickets to it, but f**king doubtful any person on here will give NRL props for anything.
 

M2D2

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Easy to say you support internationals when you're comparing WC finals to Aus v PNG at Parra stadium.
Err....was that the game where it absolutely pissed down a few years ago or was that the four nations game?
I havent gone to an international game since, Sydney only gets the shit games.
 

Perth Red

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I concur. The choice for me is to fork out hundreds to go see a team I despise play a team from the most northern part of the country, or go to a friend's place and watch all three games celebrating the day with them.

If Parramatta were in it, I'd be there. But I'll have a better time watching this game from home. Cheaper too.

Don't blame you, at those prices it is hardly appealing to neutrals, nor is it that hyped or entertaining an event that your willing to pay silly money to go to it. NRL roll the dice that it will be Sydney teams involved and the demand will be there. Years like this year they crap out.
Maybe that is why rotating its location would be better, if you only had chance every three or four years to attend one maybe the neutrals would get more excited?
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Don't blame you, at those prices it is hardly appealing to neutrals, nor is it that hyped or entertaining an event that your willing to pay silly money to go to it. NRL roll the dice that it will be Sydney teams involved and the demand will be there. Years like this year they crap out.
Maybe that is why rotating its location would be better, if you only had chance every three or four years to attend one maybe the neutrals would get more excited?

Yeh, this is what i figure...

If each location only gets a GF every 5th year, the cities would go nuts for it.
 

siv

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Maybe we should revert to a NSWRL Champions verses QRL Champions in first grade just like do in reserve grade
 

Last Week

Bench
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Don't blame you, at those prices it is hardly appealing to neutrals, nor is it that hyped or entertaining an event that your willing to pay silly money to go to it. NRL roll the dice that it will be Sydney teams involved and the demand will be there. Years like this year they crap out.
Maybe that is why rotating its location would be better, if you only had chance every three or four years to attend one maybe the neutrals would get more excited?

It could, but it would also drive up demand and then prices.

Think back to when they increased prices for Origin. Suncorp games are the perfect example. The demand was high so they jacked up the prices.

Check out the prices for the Superbowl compared to regular season games there.
 

El Diablo

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Fox Sports and Nine tell the government and NRL they want smaller – not bigger – stadiums

Andrew Webster

28 September 2017 - 12:15am

Fox Sports and Channel Nine are lobbying for an upgrade of Sydney's suburban grounds and Allianz Stadium ahead of ANZ Stadium because banks of empty seats on their rugby league broadcasts are a "bad look".

As Sydney's great stadium debate continues to drag on, Fairfax Media can reveal Fox Sports chief executive Patrick Delany and Nine director of sport Tom Malone have approached the NSW government and the NRL with their views.

While both welcome a significant refurbishment of ANZ Stadium into a rectangular stadium, they believe the flat atmosphere of small crowds at the 83,000-seat venue is damaging rugby league.

The broadcasters want badly needed upgrades at suburban grounds such as Penrith Stadium, Brookvale Oval and Shark Park because they can provide an intimacy that both ANZ and Allianz cannot.

With that in mind, they believe a complete knock down of Allianz Stadium is also important.

While the SCG Trust has forecast a new stadium with a capacity of upwards of 50,000 seats, Fox Sports argues one of about 30,000 will provide greater atmosphere at the game and on TV. The subscription network also broadcasts A-League, Super Rugby and international rugby at Allianz.

As it stands, ANZ Stadium is at the front of the queue in the state government's increasingly uncertain $1.6 billion upgrade of Sydney's sporting stadiums.

The broadcasters' position is at odds with that of NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, who has been lobbying Premier Gladys Berejiklian about knocking down ANZ Stadium and turning it into a world-class, purpose-built rectangular venue.

He wants a new 70,000-seat stadium on the ANZ site to accompany the 30,000-seat venue being built at Parramatta with Allianz Stadium to be refurbished at some stage, although the powerful SCG Trust fears there won't be enough funds left.

Cronulla, Manly and the Wests Tigers have regularly declared they do not want their suburban home grounds forgotten in the rush to update Sydney's ageing stadium network.

Fox Sports have been worried about the adverse effect of poor crowds on ratings at large stadiums for some time. It saw a spike in ratings for Monday night matches — which were abandoned this season — when they were played at smaller venues.

This season, it has scheduled its 2pm games at smaller suburban grounds because the near-sold out crowd adds to the atmosphere.

Indeed, the new buzz word in the Sydney stadium debate is "scarcity" — specifically, a scarcity of empty seats — and it is something the NRL is grappling with as it becomes clearer Sydney fans would prefer to watch the game on TV instead of wrestle with slow-moving traffic to venture to the ground.

Neither Delany or Malone would comment when contacted on Wednesday, although Delany made his feelings known in a Twitter post at last Friday's preliminary final between the Storm and Broncos at AAMI Park in Melbourne.

"Great night at the NRL in Melbourne," he tweeted. "Congrats to the Storm. AAMI is fabulous. As a fan League is magic at smaller stadium."

Major sporting stakeholders are becoming increasingly battle-weary over the government's stadia policy.

In recent weeks, Greenberg has upped the ante by reminding the Premier's office about the possibility of moving the NRL grand final to Brisbane or Melbourne if the NRL does not get its way.

The cabinet of the Berejiklian government is yet to discuss a final plan for the rollout of its stadia strategy — and what that means for the NRL grand final.

If ANZ is knocked down first, it would give the NRL the opportunity to sell its biggest game of the year to Melbourne or Brisbane.

While many argue Suncorp Stadium deserves to host the decider, Storm chief executive Dave Donaghy told Fairfax Media this week a crowd of 100,000 would pack the MCG to watch the match.

In all likelihood, if the government committed to more than $1.6 billion in sporting infrastructure, it would expect the grand final to stay in NSW, meaning it could be played at Allianz or the SCG as ANZ is rebuilt.

A spokesman for the NRL said a memorandum of understanding was in place with the state government for the construction of a new stadium at Parramatta, a 70,000-seat rectangular stadium at ANZ and refurbishment of Allianz Stadium.

In return, the NRL would deliver grand final and Origin matches to the new venues.

"We are hopeful the Government will confirm this program so we can deliver our fans a world class stadia network," the spokesman said. "NSW deserves to have the best rectangular stadium in the country for Rugby League and our priority remains the ANZ project."

NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres was not available for comment.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/po...er--not-bigger--stadiums-20170927-gyptu0.html
 
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Interesting to see more people pushing for Allianz to be 30k, finally some common sense seems to entering this debate.

However we still need a world class 70k seat stadium.
 

juro

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Fox Sports have been worried about the adverse effect of poor crowds on ratings at large stadiums for some time. It saw a spike in ratings for Monday night matches — which were abandoned this season — when they were played at smaller venues.

This season, it has scheduled its 2pm games at smaller suburban grounds because the near-sold out crowd adds to the atmosphere.

Yes, and they scheduled 6pm games for the same reason, right?
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
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Fox Sports and Nine tell the government and NRL they want smaller – not bigger – stadiums

Andrew Webster

28 September 2017 - 12:15am

Fox Sports and Channel Nine are lobbying for an upgrade of Sydney's suburban grounds and Allianz Stadium ahead of ANZ Stadium because banks of empty seats on their rugby league broadcasts are a "bad look".

As Sydney's great stadium debate continues to drag on, Fairfax Media can reveal Fox Sports chief executive Patrick Delany and Nine director of sport Tom Malone have approached the NSW government and the NRL with their views.

While both welcome a significant refurbishment of ANZ Stadium into a rectangular stadium, they believe the flat atmosphere of small crowds at the 83,000-seat venue is damaging rugby league.

The broadcasters want badly needed upgrades at suburban grounds such as Penrith Stadium, Brookvale Oval and Shark Park because they can provide an intimacy that both ANZ and Allianz cannot.

With that in mind, they believe a complete knock down of Allianz Stadium is also important.

While the SCG Trust has forecast a new stadium with a capacity of upwards of 50,000 seats, Fox Sports argues one of about 30,000 will provide greater atmosphere at the game and on TV. The subscription network also broadcasts A-League, Super Rugby and international rugby at Allianz.

As it stands, ANZ Stadium is at the front of the queue in the state government's increasingly uncertain $1.6 billion upgrade of Sydney's sporting stadiums.

The broadcasters' position is at odds with that of NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, who has been lobbying Premier Gladys Berejiklian about knocking down ANZ Stadium and turning it into a world-class, purpose-built rectangular venue.

He wants a new 70,000-seat stadium on the ANZ site to accompany the 30,000-seat venue being built at Parramatta with Allianz Stadium to be refurbished at some stage, although the powerful SCG Trust fears there won't be enough funds left.

Cronulla, Manly and the Wests Tigers have regularly declared they do not want their suburban home grounds forgotten in the rush to update Sydney's ageing stadium network.

Fox Sports have been worried about the adverse effect of poor crowds on ratings at large stadiums for some time. It saw a spike in ratings for Monday night matches — which were abandoned this season — when they were played at smaller venues.

This season, it has scheduled its 2pm games at smaller suburban grounds because the near-sold out crowd adds to the atmosphere.

Indeed, the new buzz word in the Sydney stadium debate is "scarcity" — specifically, a scarcity of empty seats — and it is something the NRL is grappling with as it becomes clearer Sydney fans would prefer to watch the game on TV instead of wrestle with slow-moving traffic to venture to the ground.

Neither Delany or Malone would comment when contacted on Wednesday, although Delany made his feelings known in a Twitter post at last Friday's preliminary final between the Storm and Broncos at AAMI Park in Melbourne.

"Great night at the NRL in Melbourne," he tweeted. "Congrats to the Storm. AAMI is fabulous. As a fan League is magic at smaller stadium."

Major sporting stakeholders are becoming increasingly battle-weary over the government's stadia policy.

In recent weeks, Greenberg has upped the ante by reminding the Premier's office about the possibility of moving the NRL grand final to Brisbane or Melbourne if the NRL does not get its way.

The cabinet of the Berejiklian government is yet to discuss a final plan for the rollout of its stadia strategy — and what that means for the NRL grand final.

If ANZ is knocked down first, it would give the NRL the opportunity to sell its biggest game of the year to Melbourne or Brisbane.

While many argue Suncorp Stadium deserves to host the decider, Storm chief executive Dave Donaghy told Fairfax Media this week a crowd of 100,000 would pack the MCG to watch the match.

In all likelihood, if the government committed to more than $1.6 billion in sporting infrastructure, it would expect the grand final to stay in NSW, meaning it could be played at Allianz or the SCG as ANZ is rebuilt.

A spokesman for the NRL said a memorandum of understanding was in place with the state government for the construction of a new stadium at Parramatta, a 70,000-seat rectangular stadium at ANZ and refurbishment of Allianz Stadium.

In return, the NRL would deliver grand final and Origin matches to the new venues.

"We are hopeful the Government will confirm this program so we can deliver our fans a world class stadia network," the spokesman said. "NSW deserves to have the best rectangular stadium in the country for Rugby League and our priority remains the ANZ project."

NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres was not available for comment.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/po...er--not-bigger--stadiums-20170927-gyptu0.html


F*ck me, the nerve ofthis lot...

They trash the game and f*ck the schedule and now that they are reaping the fruits of their labours with these shitty crowds, their solution is "smaller stadiums".

Greeny needs to tell them fo f*ck right off. "You deal with looking at empty seats or you help us fill 'em".

The f*cking nerve....
 

Jamberoo

Juniors
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Don't blame you, at those prices it is hardly appealing to neutrals, nor is it that hyped or entertaining an event that your willing to pay silly money to go to it. NRL roll the dice that it will be Sydney teams involved and the demand will be there. Years like this year they crap out.
Maybe that is why rotating its location would be better, if you only had chance every three or four years to attend one maybe the neutrals would get more excited?
TIckets are $50 so very affordable. My family pass was $180. Cheap as chips.
The best weapon RL has to grow the game is to play SOO & GFs around the country. SOO's Game 2 should be MCG every second year, with Perth/Adelaide alternating other years. GFs should be ANZ every second year, with MCG and Qld alternating. I reckon Storm would go from 18K crowds and 21K members to 25K & 28K if that happened. Would be massive for RL. But the NRL will lose their leverage with stadium redevelopment, so that won't happen. Rock and a hard place.
 

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