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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Suitman

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That's awesome! I bet the noise at that end is amazing. They needed to do this at nib at the shed end. Could,have brought capacity up from 20,500 to around 25,000 if they did this.

I wish they had too.
The shed end is actually quite unique these days in Oz stadiums.
There's so much potential at that end at NIB, and they ruined it by putting the "shipping container" corporate shit there instead.
 

Perth Red

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I wish they had too.
The shed end is actually quite unique these days in Oz stadiums.
There's so much potential at that end at NIB

Yeh, I like the new south stand at the other end as really well elevated and gives a great view from behind the sticks. They have designed this with potential to roof it in next phase. Shed end would be amazing done like the example posted full width of the end and from behind the current seats up higher than current with a roof, then just the ugly heritage west stand to sort out with a corporates focus. Sadly losing Force and with no nrl expansion it's unlikely to ever be done before the stadium runs out of its natural life.
 

Suitman

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toffballers would rather burn in hell then pay mun.g.os to play anywhere
its just their mindset. I think its pie in the sky stuff them or even the Raiders building their own stadium
its just too big an investment with not enough return. If it cost 250 Million plus to build even a stripped down stadium with a roof similar to the one in Dundedin , & the Raiders are the only sports tennent with maybe a few soccer games & a few big concerts held there plus naming rights sponsors etc
they'd still never get a return quickly enough . The compounding Interest on the loan itself would be 25 million a year. Better off letting the govt take the liability & build it.
Plus you'd never get it past the residents living near norhtbourne anyway. that'd be a bun fight of epic proportions.

my plan is this
purchase the land around the present stadium at Bruce off behind the north eastern end & purchase the stadium itself too , there is enough room to build a new roofed venue where I have indicated & it can be built while the present venue is used. Then bulldoze the old venue once the other is completed & sell the land off to developers for residential space which would get the govt tens of millions in development land taxes etc
fix up access to the roads around Bruce, Haydon , Ginninderra & with direct access to the GDE & load the area up with parking facilities all around the new venue on the eastern side.

the Govt has an extra 200 Mill or so in the kitty that it budgeted for , but doesn't have to pay for in the mr fluffy clean up so really , this could get under way much quicker then anticipated

lets do it Andy
lets get this shit happening

It's actually not that hard is it?
The Sharks have shown the way.
I still think an inner city stadium would be most beneficial option for Canberra in regards to benefits for the local economy, but geez, it couldn't be that hard to do what you suggest and turn a profit at Bruce.
 

Suitman

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Yeh, I like the new south stand at the other end as really well elevated and gives a great view from behind the sticks. They have designed this with potential to roof it in next phase. Shed end would be amazing done like the example posted full width of the end and from behind the current seats up higher than current with a roof, then just the ugly heritage west stand to sort out with a corporates focus. Sadly losing Force and with no nrl expansion it's unlikely to ever be done before the stadium runs out of its natural life.

Yep.
It's a real lost opportunity from the WA govt, but I suppose it's to be expected in an AFL-centric state unfortunately.
Us rectangular stadium fans can count ourselves lucky that they actually built the eastern and southern stands.
 

Perth Red

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It's actually not that hard is it?
The Sharks have shown the way.
I still think an inner city stadium would be most beneficial option for Canberra in regards to benefits for the local economy, but geez, it couldn't be that hard to do what you suggest and turn a profit at Bruce.

Sounds easy but you have to get developers that can see the profit in it. Waca has been trying to get a developer interested in prime east city real estate around the ground so it can refurb the cricket stadium for years but have fallen through numerous times.

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/news/waca-redevelopment-in-strife/

What happened to the manly development idea, did the council throw it in the bin?
 

Suitman

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Sounds easy but you have to get developers that can see the profit in it. Waca has been trying to get a developer interested in prime east city real estate around the ground so it can refurb the cricket stadium for years but have fallen through numerous times.

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/news/waca-redevelopment-in-strife/

What happened to the manly development idea, did the council throw it in the bin?

Manly is a different case. It's the northern beaches. A strange bunch.
Plenty of development happening in Dee Why atm. Brookvale is only a stone's throw away. There's still potential.
 

magpie_man

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toffballers would rather burn in hell then pay mun.g.os to play anywhere
its just their mindset.

Yeah I know, that mindset fits like a glove with the whole "play rugby league and get banned for life" schtick.
It's so petulant.
I definitely see merit in your grand plan for Bruce but still prefer the sexy inner-city stadium option.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/9126fd6029d7e6b4bb686a0c873787c2

Codes join forces to fight for ANZ Stadium upgrade

  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM October 7, 2017
  • Brent Read
Rugby league and soccer have joined forces to heap more pressure on the NSW government to honour their commitment to turn ANZ Stadium into a world-class rectangular venue.

The Weekend Australian has obtained a letter sent to NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian less than two weeks ago urging her government to honour a commitment to ANZ Stadium and calling for action to dispel inaccuracies that could jeopardise the project.

The letter was signed by NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg as well as his FFA counterpart David Gallop. It was also signed by the heads of NRL clubs Canterbury, South Sydney, Parramatta, St George Illawarra and Wests Tigers, as well as the A-League’s Western Sydney Wanderers.

The letter says the codes want construction of ANZ Stadium to begin by March 2019, which would allow completion prior to 2023. That would allow it to be considered as a venue for the 2023 women’s soccer World Cup if Australia’s hosting bid is successful.

The letter says the codes’ commitments to supply content to the venues are contingent on the construction of ANZ Stadium starting by the agreed date.

“We write today to express our collective support for the NSW Government’s promise to deliver a new 30,000 seat stadium at Parramatta; rebuild ANZ Stadium so that it becomes the best rectangular stadium in the country with all 70,000+ seats closer to the field; and refurbish Allianz Stadium,” the codes say.

“When the $1.6 billion stadia funding allocation was announced in April 2016, the two dominant sporting code administrations in western Sydney, the NRL (and) FFA, were unanimous in their … support for a major redevelopment of ANZ Stadium into a rectangular configuration — an endorsement matched by an unambiguous decision by the NSW Cabinet to prioritise this project.

“This commitment, which included the NRL Centres of Excellence Fund and the long-term content agreements with the NRL and FFA, still has our full support as being in the very best interests of … the people of NSW.

“The NRL’s and FFA’s content commitments are based on the understanding that the proposed investment in ANZ would see construction commence by March 2019 on the best rectangular stadium in the country with every seat closer to the action.

“This timetable would allow for construction to be complete prior to 2023, allowing the venue to be considered as a potential host for a FIFA Women’s World Cup final if FFA’s bid is successful.”

More than a year after announcing it would devote $1.6bn to Sydney stadiums, the NSW government is yet to confirm where and when that money will be spent. The issue has been delayed by argy-bargy between Allianz and ANZ stadiums.

The NRL has been campaigning to have ANZ Stadium made a priority: Greenberg personally met Berejiklian recently. There is speculation the matter could go to cabinet next week, indicating a decision could be close. It is understood there are three options for ANZ Stadium, the most likely resulting in the venue being knocked down and rebuilt.

That would mean the stadium would be out of action for up to three years, forcing the NRL to take grand finals on the road. Queensland and Victoria want to host the NRL decider.

In the letter, also signed by business leaders in western Sydney, the codes and clubs promise to offer their support and that of their members to ensure a positive outcome for the region.

“We ask that you stay steadfast in the delivery of these projects under way and those in the pipeline, and act quickly and decisively to dispel inaccuracies that could otherwise jeopardise these projects, the sporting content on display and the economic and community benefits they will deliver,” it says. “The state’s major sporting codes … are excited by the prospect of having what could be one of the world’s best rectangular stadia, in western Sydney.

“This includes more than 100,000 members across five NRL teams alone (the Bulldogs, Rabbitohs, Eels, Tigers and Dragons) and given the growth the code has achieved over the past five years, planning, building, and improving the customer experience needs to remain a top priority.

“The same can be said for the NSW Rugby League, the Socceroos and Western Sydney Wanderers, who also use the stadium.”
 

Raiderdave

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so knocked down & rebuilt which is defs the best option
meaning the venue is out of action for the 2019 , 2020 & 2021 seasons , with it in play for 2022.
Maybe the NSW Govt will come back to the NRL with a proposal
We will knock down ANZ first & rebuild it starting in 2019 provided you play at least 2 of the 3 GF's in Sydney during construction , at either the SCG or Allianz or one at both with the 3rd being held interstate in say Brisbane

hopefully this mess gets sorted out next week as indicated.
 
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The inability of the NSW govt to make a decision on this is stunning, a simple change in leaders shouldn’t result in this many machinations. Our systems of govt are supposed to be party/cabinet based, leaders are simply meant to steer.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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The inability of the NSW govt to make a decision on this is stunning, a simple change in leaders shouldn’t result in this many machinations. Our systems of govt are supposed to be party/cabinet based, leaders are simply meant to steer.

Im surprised they have let it go this long. Indecisive is probably the most damaging thing a government can be called and nothing in politics gets peoples attention like sport...

On a sode note, is anyone else beconing more and more impressed with Greenburg. Between the stadium stuff, they way he handled the Marriage Equality stuff (not to mention the coup in getting Macklemore) and his defence of the refs/attack on the ref-blamin culture, i think he os doing pretty bloody well in the roll atm.
 

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Im surprised they have let it go this long. Indecisive is probably the most damaging thing a government can be called and nothing in politics gets peoples attention like sport...

On a sode note, is anyone else beconing more and more impressed with Greenburg. Between the stadium stuff, they way he handled the Marriage Equality stuff (not to mention the coup in getting Macklemore) and his defence of the refs/attack on the ref-blamin culture, i think he os doing pretty bloody well in the roll atm.

Greenberg and the commission have been attacked from every angle over the past couple years but have continually tried to be fair and reasonable. Clubs, players and the media have at times run misleading, bias and self interested agendas. It’s finally good to see the clubs are sorted and players aren’t far off. The media are still hammering us at ever chance. I don’t think the saying, “any publicity is good publicity” is as beneficial as people make it out to be. If you constantly hear rugby league being bagged and put down it becomes the normal. And that’s what it is. It doesn’t help us at all. This new media department need to be on the front foot of any breaking news and promote the narrative.

This ffa/Nrl article is great. It shows the Nrl is active with other codes to get what’s best for the rectangle football codes. Nrl clubs are also starting to move games away from Allianz and Anz which seems to be a concerted effort to give a big “f#*k you” to the nsw gov. Unless the nsw gov delivers a nice shinny Anz stadium ffa/nrl clubs will stay at the suburban grounds. As well as that I had read that there were issues with Qatar’s World Cup 2022. Would like to see a article about how shit nsw rectangle stadiums are. It puts it in the minds of the pollies as there is a meeting about the stadium policy next week.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/0b3aac6b5781465265dfbb878c631c71

Sport and politics to collide once more over Sydney’s stadiums
  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM October 9, 2017
  • Brent Read
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Sport and politics careered headlong into each other in the lead-up to the NRL grand final. And having just removed the Macklemore debate from our system, the two are set to collide again this week amid suggestions the state government is ready to end more than a year of painful deliberating and hand down a decision on its stadiums strategy.

The stadiums issue has been politicking at its best, with sports forced to bide their time as lobbying behind the scenes slowed a process that appeared relatively straightforward when then NSW premier Mike Baird pledged $1.6 billion to renovate and refurbish Sydney’s major venues in April last year.

What should have been a formality has turned into calamity. The matter is likely to go before cabinet within days and the fear among many is that state Sports Minister Stuart Ayres will make a submission that Allianz Stadium should be the priority.

If that is the case, what a joke, given the desire of the sporting codes who supply the majority of content to Sydney’s venues. They have made it patently clear they want ANZ Stadium to be addressed first. They want Allianz Stadium updated as well, but only after the former Olympic venue is given a significant and radical overhaul.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg addressed the matter personally with premier Gladys Berejiklian recently, pushing the cause of his code, and by extension ANZ Stadium.

Then, as revealed in The Weekend Australian, Greenberg and his Football Federation Australia counterpart David Gallop wrote to the premier requesting her government honour its commitment and turn ANZ Stadium into a world-class rectangular stadium, with work to begin by March 2019.

The timing was important from two perspectives. The NRL has grand finals up for grabs and it wants to go to market. The code’s clubs are also crying out for better facilities. The FFA wants to host the women’s World Cup in 2023. It needs ANZ Stadium in shape to bid for the event.

The letter was co-signed by western Sydney NRL clubs and the Wanderers. The NRL and FFA couldn’t be clearer. They want ANZ Stadium improved and they want it done as a priority.

Against that backdrop, there are genuine fears that lobbying behind the scenes could lead to Allianz Stadium jumping to the front of the queue. The suspicion is the powerful SCG Trust is pushing to have a 47,000-seat venue built where Allianz Stadium now sits in a move that would put the redevelopment of ANZ Stadium on hold.

If anything, the NRL would prefer Allianz Stadium to be reduced in capacity. It would be happy for the venue to be limited to 35,000 seats and turned into a boutique venue. The broadcasters — Foxtel and the Nine Network — have also weighed into the debate amid a push for smaller stadiums to make the sports more presentable on television.

The indication is they would like Allianz Stadium to be the priority, albeit as a venue with a seating capacity of not much more than 30,000. Amid the myriad competing interests and views, the state government must sit down and make a call. If Allianz Stadium is given priority, the government will have ignored the wishes of the sporting codes. All hell will break loose.

Previous commitments made by the NRL and FFA will be off the table. Grand finals will once again be up for grabs. The Queensland and Victorian governments will be licking their lips. They are lurking in the shadows, just waiting for the chance to poach the game’s showpiece event. Clubs may revolt, although they are also waiting on a decision from the state government on centre of excellence funding. That decision was meant to be announced weeks ago but has been held up by the current stadiums debate, as well as the suggestion that more funds need to be found to ensure no clubs miss out.

Ayres has plenty to lose as well, given one of the clubs that was initially in danger of failing to secure funding was the Wests Tigers. Its $57 million proposal would have seen a centre of excellence built adjacent to WestConnex, the motorway currently being built in western Sydney. The Tigers’ facility was designed to augment that work. The minister for WestConnex is Ayres. When the Sydney clubs were ranked by an independent body, the Tigers were in the bottom two with Manly.

Ayres has been wisely attempting to find more money to appease all the clubs, yet that good work could be undone if he alienates them by ignoring their wishes to update ANZ Stadium as a matter of urgency.

There are those who would suggest the current imbroglio is a stadiums issue rather than a sporting one. But the sports and their clubs are the ones who have the most to gain and lose.

The NRL is locked in a fight to grow crowds and memberships. There is widespread acknowledgment that one of the keys to making that happen is to improve facilities for clubs in Sydney.

Brisbane has Suncorp Stadium. Melbourne and Gold Coast have boutique grounds that are perfectly designed for rugby league. North Queensland will have a sparkly new stadium in 2019.

Sydney is lagging sadly behind, something the state government clearly recognises given it is prepared to throw nearly $2 billion at improving facilities. That commitment in April last year was greeted with elation by the NRL and the clubs, not to mention the other sports who stood to benefit.

Yet the sports and clubs who greeted it most enthusiastically are now gripped by a sense of dread as they realise there is every chance Allianz Stadium will be given priority. If that is the case, the state government will have a fight on its hands. Much is at stake as sport and politics once again collide.
 

Vee

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im predicting the intense scrutiny Ayres & the NSW Govt is under & the strong chance of losing NRL Grand finals to Brisbane /Perth or Melbourne will see the premier buckle & get ANZ done first

it'd be political suicide otherwise
I'm betting the other way. Just reading btw the lines.
 

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This is just thinking aloud and has an assumption that we have a lot more money to spend then we actually do.

If we could demolish both stadiums (ANZ and Allianz) would the ideal situation be to swap the two stadiums around?
Have a huge stadium 70-80k for big events close to the CBD and a smaller 35k stadium at Homebush closer to the population centres.
The drawback I guess would be the transport issues at Moore Park I’m not sure if light rail would be able to cope with such a volume or not.
 
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This is just thinking aloud and has an assumption that we have a lot more money to spend then we actually do.

If we could demolish both stadiums (ANZ and Allianz) would the ideal situation be to swap the two stadiums around?
Have a huge stadium 70-80k for big events close to the CBD and a smaller 35k stadium at Homebush closer to the population centres.
The drawback I guess would be the transport issues at Moore Park I’m not sure if light rail would be able to cope with such a volume or now.

Yeah we talked about this a few weeks back.

There’s opinions going both ways really.

Personally I’d prefer to see our main stadium closer to the CBD but I can see how Moore Park isn’t the greatest option for everyone, especially families & elderly. Light rail will only really help the club games, it just doesn’t have the capacity to assist much with a 75k stadium. I suspect the SCG trust was mindful of the Moore park issues as well, their original proposal was for a 55k stadium.

If you could build the main stadium closer to central station that might be the best option all round, however that option isn’t even being looked at.

So being realistic we need ANZ to be done properly, it’s a once in a generation opportunity to get a truly world class stadium. And hopefully they come to their senses about the need for Allianz only to be 35k or so.
 

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