The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[magpie_man]

Sydney must be a shit city if there are public transport issues near the cbd.

Sydney is like an insanely hot but high-maintenance and demanding girlfriend:
Gorgeous to look at, always great for pics to show-off and spectacular when you're in the good parts; but on the flip-side even the most simple of things are hard work and you've gotta be earning good coin to keep up with her demands.

 

[beave]

Sydney is like an insanely hot but high-maintenance and demanding girlfriend:
Gorgeous to look at, always great for pics to show-off and spectacular when you're in the good parts; but on the flip-side even the most simple of things are hard work and you've gotta be earning good coin to keep up with her demands.

Good analogy tbh.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

im predicting the intense scrutiny Ayres & the NSW Govt is under & the strong chance of losing NRL Grand finals to Brisbane /Perth or Melbourne will see the premier buckle & get ANZ done first

it'd be political suicide otherwise

"The Premier who lost the NRL GF to the f*cking Victorians"

I can see the election headlines already

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

This is just thinking aloud and has an assumption that we have a lot more money to spend then we actually do.

If we could demolish both stadiums (ANZ and Allianz) would the ideal situation be to swap the two stadiums around?
Have a huge stadium 70-80k for big events close to the CBD and a smaller 35k stadium at Homebush closer to the population centres.
The drawback I guess would be the transport issues at Moore Park I’m not sure if light rail would be able to cope with such a volume or not.

Moore park couldnt deal with the trafic, Homebush would become redundant with Parra right up the road and the F8cking Trust would control the best stadium in the City.

No thanks...

 

[herbert henry1908]

Sydney must be a shit city if there are public transport issues near the cbd.

There’s no issue if you’re prepared to walk 2km.

Getting to central itself is extremely easy from most of Sydney.

It’s just that ideally you want major public transport as close to your big stadiums as possible.


Lots of cities have their foibles. Look at Melbourne, still no train line to their airport. That’s more odd to me than no train to Moore park.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Moore park couldnt deal with the trafic, Homebush would become redundant with Parra right up the road and the F8cking Trust would control the best stadium in the City.

No thanks...

Partly agree, but I don’t think Homebush becomes redundant.

Dogs will never play at parramatta and Souths won’t move any further west.

Only team I see using Parra aside from the eels is Wests. Maybe the panthers for finals matches.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Manly Sea Eagles consider building centre of excellence at Brookvale
October 10 2017 - 5:32PM
Manly is exploring the prospect of building a centre of excellence at its home ground at Brookvale as part of a new push to redevelop the suburban venue.

The Sea Eagles are moving to ensure they don't miss out as the state government distributes funds to NRL clubs to upgrade their training bases. Former Manly CEO Tim Cleary had originally submitted a proposal for a $20 million overhaul of its training base at Narrabeen as clubs jockey for a piece of the $40 million the state government will make available to Sydney clubs on a dollar-for-dollar basis.

The Silvertails, in conjunction with Northern Beaches Council, are now considering taking a different tack. The parties are looking at the feasibility of basing all the Sea Eagles' operations at the recently renamed Lottoland in a move that would allow the team to train and play at the same venue. The ambition is to finally give the ageing suburban ground the upgrade it so desperately needs, including the addition of undercover seating and a commercial element of up to seven storeys at the southern end that backs on to Pittwater Road.

Northern Beaches Council mayor Michael Regan will put forward a resolution at the next council meeting on October 24 in a bid to begin the process, which includes community consultation, expressions of interest and putting contracts out to tender.

"The emphasis is on the community interaction aspect being improved at the facility," Regan said.

"If the centre of excellence can fit into the type of model, we will come back with expressions of interest and welcome that. That would be an opportunity for a significant increase in use by the public and cater for an upgrade to a boutique stadium.

"You like to train on your own field every week and the beauty of the centre of excellence is it can be an investment into more accessible community facilities as well.

"It's not just the rugby league club benefiting, it's the community benefiting as well."

The state government has committed at least $1.6 billion worth of funding to upgrade Parramatta, Allianz and ANZ Stadiums, although it is unclear how the money will be split between the latter two venues. There are concerns that suburban grounds such as Lottoland, already struggling to remain at NRL standard, will fall even further behind without significant investment. The costs to maintain the ground, borne by council and its ratepayers, is about $1 million a year. The council has no intention of selling off the asset, instead looking at a solution that can work for all parties.

"There's a small window of opportunity that we can present to the state government as a win-win," Regan said.

"Before, that was a lot harder to present. The opportunities are there at the moment to present something clever and unique that can be a model for other grounds. That can only benefit the state government, the NRL and other councils that have these liabilities.

"If the Sea Eagles can leverage the centre of excellence application they've got, that could be a positive for the state government as well."

Rugby league broadcaster Fox Sports and the Nine Network are pushing for more games to be played at smaller venues amid concerns the bays of empty seats at larger grounds are a bad look on television.

"That argument about the stadiums looking better on TV when they are full, everyone gets that," Regan said.

"We love that tribal part of the game [at suburban grounds]."

http://ow.ly/aocK30fLr0t

 

[unforgiven]

Partly agree, but I don’t think Homebush becomes redundant.

Dogs will never play at parramatta and Souths won’t move any further west.

Only team I see using Parra aside from the eels is Wests. Maybe the panthers for finals matches.

I think if you build a 35K stadium at Homebush, its Parramatta that really becomes redundant. I will be a waste on money building 2 35K stadiums within 15 mins of each other. If the plan was to have the city stadium as the large 70-80K and Homebush as 35K the money for Parramatta would have been better spent further west or in the south west.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I think if you build a 35K stadium at Homebush, its Parramatta that really becomes redundant. I will be a waste on money building 2 35K stadiums within 15 mins of each other. If the plan was to have the city stadium as the large 70-80K and Homebush as 35K the money for Parramatta would have been better spent further west or in the south west.

Parramatta at its current location was a mistake, but it’s too late to change that now obviously.

If Homebush wasn’t to be the main stadium in Sydney I’d make it 45k-50k, a stadium where you could host the western Sydney derby games. 45k makes a lot more sense in the west than it does at Moore Park, that’s for sure.

Parra fwiw isn’t 35k, it’s going to be 30k.

Anyway that’s all a bit unlikely anyway, I’m 99.9% certain the biggest stadium will always be at Olympic Park. Just a matter of how good it is.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Partly agree, but I don’t think Homebush becomes redundant.

Dogs will never play at parramatta and Souths won’t move any further west.

Only team I see using Parra aside from the eels is Wests. Maybe the panthers for finals matches.

But at that point the question becomes "why built at homebush when a 30k stadium can fit in Liverpool/Campbeltown/Penrith".

The biggest strength of the Olympic Park area is that it can take 100k+ people with capacity to spar, something that no other area in Sydney can claim. Builting 30k there is pointless.

If they arent going to to a full rebuild of ANZ, then they should just leave it as is. It might be a shit ground, but you can at least fit 80k into GFs and Origin

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Parramatta at its current location was a mistake, but it’s too late to change that now obviously.

If Homebush wasn’t to be the main stadium in Sydney I’d make it 45k-50k, a stadium where you could host the western Sydney derby games. 45k makes a lot more sense in the west than it does at Moore Park, that’s for sure.

Parra fwiw isn’t 35k, it’s going to be 30k.

Anyway that’s all a bit unlikely anyway, I’m 99.9% certain the biggest stadium will always be at Olympic Park. Just a matter of how good it is.

Or just leave it untouched at 80k for the events and put the money into a new stadium somewhere else

 

[herbert henry1908]

Or just leave it untouched at 80k for the events and put the money into a new stadium somewhere else

I think ultimately the biggest events deserve the best stadium. We can’t rely on people turning up just because it’s a great event in a rubbish facility. Also one of the ideas of a major stadium is to attract interstate and even sometimes international visitors, I know looking at that new Perth stadium has me considering a trip to watch the cricket.

ANZ looks bad by stadium standards now, it’ll look appalling in 10-15 years time.

 

[Foreign Legion]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/manly-sea-eagles-consider-building-centre-of-excellence-at-brookvale-20171010-gyy0z1.html
Manly is exploring the prospect of building a centre of excellence at its home ground at Brookvale as part of a new push to redevelop the suburban venue.

The Sea Eagles are moving to ensure they don't miss out as the state government distributes funds to NRL clubs to upgrade their training bases. Former Manly CEO Tim Cleary had originally submitted a proposal for a $20 million overhaul of its training base at Narrabeen as clubs jockey for a piece of the $40 million the state government will make available to Sydney clubs on a dollar-for-dollar basis.

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The Silvertails, in conjunction with Northern Beaches Council, are now considering taking a different tack. The parties are looking at the feasibility of basing all the Sea Eagles' operations at the recently renamed Lottoland in a move that would allow the team to train and play at the same venue. The ambition is to finally give the ageing suburban ground the upgrade it so desperately needs, including the addition of undercover seating and a commercial element of up to seven storeys at the southern end that backs on to Pittwater Road.

Northern Beaches Council mayor Michael Regan will put forward a resolution at the next council meeting on October 24 in a bid to begin the process, which includes community consultation, expressions of interest and putting contracts out to tender.

"The emphasis is on the community interaction aspect being improved at the facility," Regan said.


"If the centre of excellence can fit into the type of model, we will come back with expressions of interest and welcome that. That would be an opportunity for a significant increase in use by the public and cater for an upgrade to a boutique stadium.

"You like to train on your own field every week and the beauty of the centre of excellence is it can be an investment into more accessible community facilities as well.

"It's not just the rugby league club benefiting, it's the community benefiting as well."


LEAGUE HQ NEWSLETTER

 

[herbert henry1908]

This is how you do a stadium

 

[Perth Red]

This is just thinking aloud and has an assumption that we have a lot more money to spend then we actually do.

If we could demolish both stadiums (ANZ and Allianz) would the ideal situation be to swap the two stadiums around?
Have a huge stadium 70-80k for big events close to the CBD and a smaller 35k stadium at Homebush closer to the population centres.
The drawback I guess would be the transport issues at Moore Park I’m not sure if light rail would be able to cope with such a volume or not.

Do you really need a 35k stadium at anz ,just 9km from a 30k western Sydney stadium?

 

[Billythekid]

I feel like I've heard this all before about brookvale. I don't expect it'll ever be upgraded.

This is how you do a stadium

AFL is a shit sport but man some of these round stadiums look f**king amazing. This really does leave Sydney as the last major city without a large state of the art stadium which is pretty pathetic.

 

[Pommy]

Do you really need a 35k stadium at anz ,just 9km from a 30k western Sydney stadium?

Possibly not but it puts the normal club stadium in a position that isn’t ideal for much of the city.
The problem with Allianz is its not central so if you move the normal club stadium to Para you have just relocated the problem.
9km is a bit misleading as it might as wel be 50km with traffic and shite public transport.

 

[Coparugby]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/manly-sea-eagles-consider-building-centre-of-excellence-at-brookvale-20171010-gyy0z1.html
Manly is exploring the prospect of building a centre of excellence at its home ground at Brookvale as part of a new push to redevelop the suburban venue.

The Sea Eagles are moving to ensure they don't miss out as the state government distributes funds to NRL clubs to upgrade their training bases. Former Manly CEO Tim Cleary had originally submitted a proposal for a $20 million overhaul of its training base at Narrabeen as clubs jockey for a piece of the $40 million the state government will make available to Sydney clubs on a dollar-for-dollar basis.

Advertisement
The Silvertails, in conjunction with Northern Beaches Council, are now considering taking a different tack. The parties are looking at the feasibility of basing all the Sea Eagles' operations at the recently renamed Lottoland in a move that would allow the team to train and play at the same venue. The ambition is to finally give the ageing suburban ground the upgrade it so desperately needs, including the addition of undercover seating and a commercial element of up to seven storeys at the southern end that backs on to Pittwater Road.

Northern Beaches Council mayor Michael Regan will put forward a resolution at the next council meeting on October 24 in a bid to begin the process, which includes community consultation, expressions of interest and putting contracts out to tender.

"The emphasis is on the community interaction aspect being improved at the facility," Regan said.


"If the centre of excellence can fit into the type of model, we will come back with expressions of interest and welcome that. That would be an opportunity for a significant increase in use by the public and cater for an upgrade to a boutique stadium.

"You like to train on your own field every week and the beauty of the centre of excellence is it can be an investment into more accessible community facilities as well.

"It's not just the rugby league club benefiting, it's the community benefiting as well."


LEAGUE HQ NEWSLETTER

Rebuild and include dirt hills for fans?

Dirt hills around most of the stadium have no place in modern wealthy sports. It screams: provincial small time suburban sport.

 

[magpie_man]

Parramatta at its current location was a mistake, but it’s too late to change that now obviously.

The Eels are lucky that they're based in such a strategically important location, at least as far as the NSW Government is concerned.
Parramatta is booming - high-rises springing up like bamboo shoots, an increasing amount of corporates and Government departments shifting their branches/operations West, light rail about to be built to service the greater Metropolitan area - it's being invested in heavily and will become, even more so, a city in its own right and Sydney's second major CBD.
Theoretically, a quality stadium built right in the heart of a burgeoning CBD is a masterstroke. In reality though, the major fly in the ointment is the fact that the Parramatta Leagues Club is literally right next door - a monumental turnoff in trying to attract other NRL clubs to bring home fixtures to the stadium.

 

[Perth Red]

Rebuild and include dirt hills for fans?

Dirt hills around most of the stadium have no place in modern wealthy sports. It screams: provincial small time suburban sport.

Its hard to turn a dog turd into a palace with no money! You get the feeling these brookvale concepts get released every couple of years to appease the NRL that they really are trying to do something.