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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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The article a few pages back said Wentworth Park was a possible sight for the new indoor stadium...

Why can we not use that for the new $800mil stadium, the indoor one can be at moore park.

Te recommendation for a 10,000 to 12,000-seat indoor stadium is believed to be winning support among the Premier’s key advisers.
The most likely location is Wentworth Park, where greyhounds presently race.
Any work at ANZ Stadium, the Sydney 2000 Olympics arena, would not begin until after the new Allianz venue was completed.

There you go...

Wentworth was one of the foundation grounds for the 1908 season, jump on that shit!!!!
 
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reanimate

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Exactly, the stadium is fine just a touch uo required so i do not see how a brand new stadium with an increased capacity can be justified. Especially when none of the tennants average even half of the capacity and maybe a handful of games a year get over 30k. Whatsmore the location is just crap for attracting people outside of the eastern suburbs and inner west, plus the parking and traffic is shocking as it is with any sort of decent crowd.

I think the best rugby league solution would be a reconfigured or new build homebush for ONLY rectangular codes. The nrl should be pushing that not the other BS

I think they're banking on the new tram line being the saviour of Moore Park and a major reason to push it as a site for a new stadium. I'm all for the light rail line, but it's not going to make things much easier for people travelling from the outskirts of the city to Moore Park.
 

seanoff

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The article a few pages back said Wentworth Park was a possible sight for the new indoor stadium...

Why can we not use that for the new $800mil stadium, the indoor one can be at moore park.



There you go...

Wentworth was one of the foundation grounds for the 1908 season, jump on that shit!!!!

Are you high?
 
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ANZ Stadium is the only stadium which can accommodate the huge crowds which want to see

1. NRL Grand Final
2. State of Origin
3. rugby union internationals
4. soccer internationals

A new 65,000 seater at Moore Park will not be big enough for the above games. The existing 45,000 seater now named Allianz Stadium is big enough for Roosters and Souths home games, and is the best location for such games, as well as Sydney FC home games, and Waratahs Super Rugby games. That is why a new 65,000 seater at Moore Park is a total waste of money.

The existing grounds that can be most profitably improved are ANZ, Allianz, Pirtek and Campbelltown.

The best way to spend the available money is:

1. Upgrade ANZ Stadium with the rectangular seating option and a retractable roof.
2. Upgrade Allianz Stadium with better food and toilet facilities and a retractable roof
3. Enhance Pirtek Stadium (Parramatta) to seat 30-35,000 for Parramatta Eels and Sydney Wanderers home games
4. Enhance Campbelltown Stadium with more covered seating, and better toilet and food facilities

The above priorities take account of where most residents of Sydney actually live.
 
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seanoff

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What? because it would actually be a great location for a stadium and that is just a bridge too far for RL??

Perfect. :sarcasm:

Apart from

not having enough room,

No mass transit close by, and no light rail isnt mass transit.

Absolutely no parking unless you buy and knock down all the surrounding buildings

Etc

Yep. Fantastic.
 

Saint Doc

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What? because it would actually be a great location for a stadium and that is just a bridge too far for RL??

FMD. You clearly have never ever ever ever been to Wentworth Park! You can't just Wikipedia something and then talk with authority. It's a 20-30minute walk from a station. The surrounding streets are TINY, narrow. The land it is on is small. It would be like building a super stadium on the leichardt oval site. Disaster.
 

Lockyer4President!

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More NRL clubs to play at Moore Park and Parramatta under new stadia plan
August 25, 2015 - 9:37PM
Brad Walter
Sports Reporter

The NRL would direct clubs to play matches at new stadiums at Moore Park and Parramatta and may commit to State of Origin fixtures and the grand final remaining in Sydney if the NSW Government approves funding for the projects.

With a decision on the government's stadium strategy understood to be imminent, Fairfax Media has learned that the NRL would be required to guarantee a significant increase in the number of games at each venue in a move that would mean more clubs using Moore Park and Parramatta for home matches.

South Sydney will host Brisbane at Allianz Stadium on Thursday night and St George Illawarra recently hosted Sydney Roosters there, while the Rabbitohs and Dragons play an annual match at the SCG.

However, the Roosters are the only club who call Moore Park home and Parramatta are the only team that plays out of Pirtek Stadium.

It is expected that the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Dragons would be encouraged to play at a new or upgraded 60,000 seat stadium at Moore Park, while Parramatta, Wests Tigers and Penrith could host matches at a rebuilt 35,000 seat stadium on

the site of the Eels current home ground. Under the terms of the $925 million free-to-air broadcast deal, the NRL will control the scheduling of matches from 2018 and could guarantee the number of games to be played at the venues, with agreement from the clubs.

The establishment of a super trust to manage Sydney's major venues should make it possible for financial arrangements clubs have to play games at one venue to be transferred to another.

Debate about the NSW Government's stadia policy has been ongoing since 2012 after it was decided to invest in three major venues – identified as Moore Park, Parramatta and Homebush Bay – at the expense of suburban grounds.

The NRL is backing the construction of a new 60,000 seat stadium on the site of Kippax Lake, adjacent to Allianz Stadium, which could host future Origin matches and grand finals, as well as club fixtures.

It is understood plans for the stadium are based on Levi Stadium, the home ground of Jarryd Hayne's San Francisco 49ers, which has been selected by the NFL to host next year's Super Bowl. The stadium would boast state of the art facilities.

However, construction costs of up to $1.3 billion and opposition from environmental and residents groups may prompt State cabinet to reject the proposal and instead fund an upgrade of Allianz Stadium.

There has been speculation that a decision could be made as soon as Friday but Fairfax Media has been told it is more likely to be some time in September. With the NRL's agreement with the NSW Government to play the grand final in Sydney set to expire in 2019, it is likely that deal would be extended if the capacity at Moore Park was big enough.

One Origin in each series is set to be put out to tender after 2018, with Sydney and Brisbane only assured of hosting one game each year, but officials believe it would be easier to sell out two matches at a 60,000 seat stadium than at the 83,500 capacity ANZ Stadium if there was support from the government.

Plans to knock down Parramatta Stadium and build a new 35,000-seat venue on the site are expected to be approved as the first project in the strategy of modernising Sydney's major sporting venues.

The Moore Park development is tipped to be next, followed by an upgrade to ANZ Stadium. It had been rumoured that the NRL could be given management rights to the stadium at Moore Park but Fairfax Media was told it would not happen as Sydney FC and NSW Waratahs also play there.

with Jacob Saulwick

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ta-under-new-stadia-plan-20150825-gj7gzj.html


Some interesting ideas being thrown around.
 

duylm

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The SFS can't be THAT outdated can it? But okay, let's entertain the idea that is MUST come down because it is about to collapse like Leichhardt & Brookvale, in that scenario Levi's Stadium is not the model for us. THERE IS ZERO COVERAGE FROM THE ELEMENTS THERE. Sydney gets 4X the amount of rain compared to that part of northern California. It skews even higher when you compare months when football is played.

People flock towards Levi's because they are funnelled there, as there are only 8 home games for their 4.5m people and those games are blacked out from television if they are not sold out.

Compare that to Sydney where there is somewhere between 90-110 home games, there is at least 4X the amount of rain and people have the option of watching our made-for-tv game at home. Dave Smith guess what? free wifi and the ability to order drinks from your seat is not going motivate people to battle traffic on a work/school night to sit in the pouring rain.

So IF the SFS must be torn down (which I don't think it is anywhere near, it's already a 45k all-seater rectangular stadium for christ's sake), surely as we've spoke about something like Forsyth Barr Stadium - Dunedin might be more of a game-changer that we could do with.

Nothing about this makes sense to me.
 

applesauce

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The SFS can't be THAT outdated can it? But okay, let's entertain the idea that is MUST come down because it is about to collapse like Leichhardt & Brookvale, in that scenario Levi's Stadium is not the model for us. THERE IS ZERO COVERAGE FROM THE ELEMENTS THERE. Sydney gets 4X the amount of rain compared to that part of northern California. It skews even higher when you compare months when football is played.

People flock towards Levi's because they are funnelled there, as there are only 8 home games for their 4.5m people and those games are blacked out from television if they are not sold out.

Compare that to Sydney where there is somewhere between 90-110 home games, there is at least 4X the amount of rain and people have the option of watching our made-for-tv game at home. Dave Smith guess what? free wifi and the ability to order drinks from your seat is not going motivate people to battle traffic on a work/school night to sit in the pouring rain.

So IF the SFS must be torn down (which I don't think it is anywhere near, it's already a 45k all-seater rectangular stadium for christ's sake), surely as we've spoke about something like Forsyth Barr Stadium - Dunedin might be more of a game-changer that we could do with.

Nothing about this makes sense to me.

I think the comparison to Levi's is not through design but as in state of the art. Being so close to Silicon Valley it has crazy features for crowds.



In addition maybe it would even have Levi's new all purpose seats (throughout the entire stadium).

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Roosters 13k crowds in a 60k stadium, that will make the nrl look awesome!

True. Not that many more will show up for Souths and St George.

The other side of the coin is that Smith wants to hold State of Origin in a 60,000 seat stadium at Moore Park instead of an 83,500 seat stadium at Homebush --when the latter is closer to the majority of rugby league fans in Sydney and often sells out.

Coming after his shafting of Fox Sports, by abolishing their Saturday night and Monday night slots, while fantasizing that they will nevertheless reward him with more money, I am now convinced that Smith is a complete idiot.
 

cleary89

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More seats doesn't always mean better, otherwise they would have kept ANZ at 110k.

ANZ is shit for watching league and everyone bar you seems to know it. Origin seems to do just fine at the 52k stadium in Brisbane.
 

Panfas

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True. Not that many more will show up for Souths and St George.

The other side of the coin is that Smith wants to hold State of Origin in a 60,000 seat stadium at Moore Park instead of an 83,500 seat stadium at Homebush --when the latter is closer to the majority of rugby league fans in Sydney and often sells out.

Coming after his shafting of Fox Sports, by abolishing their Saturday night and Monday night slots, while fantasizing that they will nevertheless reward him with more money, I am now convinced that Smith is a complete idiot.

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Saint Doc

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This sounds like a ridiculous idea I know, but I wonder how expensive / practical these ideas would be? If we're going to design a stadium for rugby league, let's really design what we need.

- build the stadium so that there is a retractable paneling that comes down over the upper bowl for club games. I.e. Completely hides all the empty seats. Maybe the same with the ends. Convert the 60,000 seat stadium into a 25,000 seat stadium for regular season games.

- have seats with different seat colours/covers. One of the problems getting saints/manly etc to move to big stadiums is it doesn't feel like home. Have seats that are/turn red, white and grey for dragons games, red, green and black for souths games, red white and blue for Easts games, and so on. Stagger the colouring of the seats like the Gabba to make the crowd look bigger and give it more of a "home feel"

I would rate these ideas as better for the fan experience than ordering a hotdog to my seat
 

seanoff

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Can we stop fantasizing.

Retractable rooves have serious problems in stadium design.

1. They are really really expensive. Almost end up doubling the cost of the project straight up. The engineering needed just adds up

2. Unless they put in a retractable field a la Uni of Pheonix natural grass fields its really difficult to get a decent surface.


Changing seat colours - not actually feasible

What is feasible now is easy stadium branding

LED lighting can and does change the look of the stadium both on the interior and exterior. The afl clubs do ti in mel and adeliade. The 2 level signage is branded with the home graphics, all the screens in the venues are home team branded, the exterior stadium lights change colour. The hardeset thing is changing rhe pop up signs and stadium shops. The giants and jets in NY do the same thing. Theres video of that.

And the sfs structure is fine. Could easily be upgraded to do pretty much all it needs to.
 
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Let me make it as clear as day: Smith wants to build a new 60,000 seat stadium at Moore Park that is much too big for club games, and too small for big events like State of Origin and the Grand Final!
 

Timbo

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This was talked about several pages ago, but I want to bring it up again - the stadium template for Moore Park should be Vancouver's BC Place Stadium.

Features:

-55,000 seats (build it slightly larger for the desired 60,000 capacity).
-Steep gradient so everyone is on top of the action.
-Retractable roof.
-Canopy that drops down over top tier, turning it into a 21,000 seat club stadium and keeping the atmosphere in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Place
 

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