The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

They can always cancel funding and redirect it to hospitals

Just in time for next election

Which would have little impact on the NSW health budget.

1.6 billion is about 7% of the annual health budget, and this 1.6 billion spend is for 25-30 years.

So on a per year basis it’s like 0.3% of the health budget.

 

[Perth Red]

it's a bit more difficult for a government to justify handing over funds for single venues and traininig facilities for each individual team when there are 9 of them.

Especially if they don't own them. The NSW govt paying to upgrade LGA owned premises never goes down well. If the LGA signed over the long term lease of them to state govt it might be a different story, this had to happen in Perth before the WA govt would agree to refurb nib.

 

[Perth Red]

Which would have little impact on the NSW health budget.

1.6 billion is about 7% of the annual health budget, and this 1.6 billion spend is for 25-30 years.

So on a per year basis it’s like 0.3% of the health budget.

Unless it was a hospital that needed replacing and without the money the hospital continued to have to exist in run down facilities for another decade or two. But yes its not like billions aren't going to health already. Stadiums are a funny thing though, in the grand scheme of things they actually benefit very few members of the community for the cost of them. It seems one of those things that to be seen as a liveable city you have to have big shiny stadiums.

 

[Suitman]

Also, where’s the big headline “FFA and NRL supremos call out AFL”?

Nowhere, because aaaaaaahhhh they’re **** ah.

It’s clearly a case of the AFL attempting to keep rectangular sports down more than any need for them to have an oval that size. The FFA and NRL should be pointing out their behaviour in no uncertain terms. Attack them FFS.

http://www.westsydneyfootball.com/f...rramatta/?page=12&tab=comments#comment-636165

That is a post by someone on the WSW's forum.
I respect that a lot of people here hate football. So be it.
But the one thing RL and Football have in common is that we both play on rectangular fields of similar sizes, so clearly it is in both sport's interests to fight the good fight together against the scum from the south. This particular post is right. Where is the outrage from Greenburg and Gallop?
The uproar on football website's re the AFL'S position has been similar to here. Complete outrage.
I can't help but feel that if Mike Baird was still Premier, that this issue would have been dealt with and the AFL, CA and the SCG Trust and Stuart Ayres would have been told to f**k off long ago.
These funds have been set aside for rectangular stadiums.
If your sport doesn't play on a rectangular stadium, then you aren't getting a cent.
Pure and simple.

 

[herbert henry1908]

http://www.westsydneyfootball.com/f...rramatta/?page=12&tab=comments#comment-636165

That is a post by someone on the WSW's forum.
I respect that a lot of people here hate football. So be it.
But the one thing RL and Football have in common is that we both play on rectangular fields of similar sizes, so clearly it is in both sport's interests to fight the good fight together against the scum from the south. This particular post is right. Where is the outrage from Greenburg and Gallop?
The uproar on football website's re the AFL'S position has been similar to here. Complete outrage.
I can't help but feel that if Mike Baird was still Premier, that this issue would have been dealt with and the AFL, CA and the SCG Trust and Stuart Ayres would have been told to f**k off long ago.
These funds have been set aside for rectangular stadiums.
If your sport doesn't play on a rectangular stadium, then you aren't getting a cent.
Pure and simple.

Playing it out in the media may not be the best approach. We know Greenberg has made firm representations to the NSW govt, to me the media angle smacks of desperation.

Perhaps the clubs should get angry in the media, but the CEO of the game should stay out of that I think.

 

[Suitman]

Playing it out in the media may not be the best approach. We know Greenberg has made firm representations to the NSW govt, to me the media angle smacks of desperation.

Perhaps the clubs should get angry in the media, but the CEO of the game should stay out of that I think.

True, but it could work both ways.
The media is a powerful forum. It's a great way to sway public opinion one way or another, which is exactly what the AFL and SCG Trust have been doing with their bullshit counter arguments. I don't see anything wrong with fighting fire with fire. The more pressure the govt is put under, the more chance they will sway one way or another, because ultimately, there are votes won or lost in this decision.

 

[Perth Red]

Media is always last resort when you feel you are losing the battle. Govts hate it when orgs they are funding hurt them in the media, they don't look kindly on it. Hopefully Greenberg and mr umm and ahh are doing their business in Parliament House. If they aren't then Greenberg should be gone. Wouldn't hurt for some clubs to Lobby through the media though.

 

[magpie_man]

I'm pretty happy with Greenberg's response through the media so far: ANZ first or the deal's off. That's all that needs to be said because the NRL Grand Final is the greatest trump card in this game.
That said, I really hope that privately the NRL are inundating the appropriate people with information about the disproportionate amount of funding that has been assigned to oval-shaped stadia in Sydney over the past decade, not to mention the Giants' abandonment of Blacktown after the publicly-funded infrastructure that was built there for them.

 

[taipan]

I'm pretty happy with Greenberg's response through the media so far: ANZ first or the deal's off. That's all that needs to be said because the NRL Grand Final is the greatest trump card in this game.
That said, I really hope that privately the NRL are inundating the appropriate people with information about the disproportionate amount of funding that has been assigned to oval-shaped stadia in Sydney over the past decade, not to mention the Giants' abandonment of Blacktown after the publicly-funded infrastructure that was built there for them.

Then perhaps look at the D.T yesterday in the letters section page 22,in a comment by someone I know really, really, really, well.

"Think outside the square."
"The AFL in Sydney secured large sums for upgrading Spotless,and the SCG,plus money wasted at Blacktown,all to the "detriment' of the three rectangular codes, who stood back and watched.
Now they cry in entitlement fashion"I want more",despite their having avoided ANZ Stadium in the past.Time now for ANZ to be reconfigured a rectangular stadium, to cater for long -suffering rugby league ,soccer and rugby union supporters,who make up the overwhelming majority of Sydney's sports fans.
Brisbane has a quality rectangular stadium for major matches but Sydney does not.
If the NSW Government doesn't get the message, the ballot box will deliver it to them."

Voila amigos.

 

[big hit!]

Especially if they don't own them. The NSW govt paying to upgrade LGA owned premises never goes down well. If the LGA signed over the long term lease of them to state govt it might be a different story, this had to happen in Perth before the WA govt would agree to refurb nib.

and where's the economic benefit for upgrading Penrith Park or Brookvale Oval or Endeavour Field? The cost-benefit isn't there.

Parra will be used by at least Parra, wanderers, socceroo internationals, and perhaps tigers becoming a tenant too. SFS will have roosters, FC, waratahs, rugby internationals, and socceroo internationals. homebush bay will have souths, canterbury, Origins, GFs, rugby internationals, socceroo internationals, etc. scg will have swans, sixers, aussie internationals. showgrounds likewise with giants, thunder, easter show.

all the above bring in travellers and an economic benefit. suburban grounds for one team? not so much.

 

[big hit!]

Then perhaps look at the D.T yesterday in the letters section page 22,in a comment by someone I know really, really, really, well.

"Think outside the square."
"The AFL in Sydney secured large sums for upgrading Spotless,and the SCG,plus money wasted at Blacktown,all to the "detriment' of the three rectangular codes, who stood back and watched.
Now they cry in entitlement fashion"I want more",despite their having avoided ANZ Stadium in the past.Time now for ANZ to be reconfigured a rectangular stadium, to cater for long -suffering rugby league ,soccer and rugby union supporters,who make up the overwhelming majority of Sydney's sports fans.
Brisbane has a quality rectangular stadium for major matches but Sydney does not.
If the NSW Government doesn't get the message, the ballot box will deliver it to them."

Voila amigos.

i don't think the election will hinge on stadiums. the bulk of the electorate don't give a shit. the government are spending the money to continue to bring events to NSW in the long-term. the oval stadiums are set up. they'll spend the money on the rectangular fields and making sure big rectangular events keep coming here.

at the end of the day, the reason NSW gets things like socceroo internationals etc, is because there is no competition from other cities, despite how shit the homebush bay venue is. rectangular field sport at the MCG is horrible, and Lang Park suffers from a smaller capacity.

 

[taipan]

i don't think the election will hinge on stadiums. the bulk of the electorate don't give a shit. the government are spending the money to continue to bring events to NSW in the long-term. the oval stadiums are set up. they'll spend the money on the rectangular fields and making sure big rectangular events keep coming here.

at the end of the day, the reason NSW gets things like socceroo internationals etc, is because there is no competition from other cities, despite how shit the homebush bay venue is. rectangular field sport at the MCG is horrible, and Lang Park suffers from a smaller capacity.

It won't ,but the message was put in there for effect, particularly for fumble readers.In close elections it can mean the loss of Govt on preferences in a tight race, Ie by those who are sports' nuts.In a landslide or a decent win,of course SFA effect.Western Sydney holds 60% of Sydney's population.

 

[herbert henry1908]

i don't think the election will hinge on stadiums. the bulk of the electorate don't give a shit. the government are spending the money to continue to bring events to NSW in the long-term. the oval stadiums are set up. they'll spend the money on the rectangular fields and making sure big rectangular events keep coming here.

at the end of the day, the reason NSW gets things like socceroo internationals etc, is because there is no competition from other cities, despite how shit the homebush bay venue is. rectangular field sport at the MCG is horrible, and Lang Park suffers from a smaller capacity.

Stadiums in and of itself won’t be the focus if they choose eastern Sydney.

Politics 101 is divide & conquer. Labor will pit it as the liberals favouring eastern Sydney over western Sydney.

 

[Timbo]

Labor did cop a caning in Sydneys East in the last few elections, and dropped a few seats (eg Coogee) which they'd previously held forever.

They'll be looking to win them back, and I wouldn't be surprised if Foley does end up throwing cash at pork-barrel projects near the beaches next election.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Labor did cop a caning in Sydneys East in the last few elections, and dropped a few seats (eg Coogee) which they'd previously held forever.

They'll be looking to win them back, and I wouldn't be surprised if Foley does end up throwing cash at pork-barrel projects near the beaches next election.

There’s just more to be won in the West though.

Foley might jump on board some money going to Allianz but he’s not going to favour it over ANZ.

 

[Perth Red]

and where's the economic benefit for upgrading Penrith Park or Brookvale Oval or Endeavour Field? The cost-benefit isn't there.

Parra will be used by at least Parra, wanderers, socceroo internationals, and perhaps tigers becoming a tenant too. SFS will have roosters, FC, waratahs, rugby internationals, and socceroo internationals. homebush bay will have souths, canterbury, Origins, GFs, rugby internationals, socceroo internationals, etc. scg will have swans, sixers, aussie internationals. showgrounds likewise with giants, thunder, easter show.

all the above bring in travellers and an economic benefit. suburban grounds for one team? not so much.

I'm pretty confident if you did a cost benefit analysis of the return on spending $1bill on ANZ it wouldn't look so good either! End of day the events will continue there if its reconfig or not. Its Sydneys biggest stadium so any event that wants a big crowd has no choice but to use it. In the same way NSW govt will argue big stadiums are good for sports tourism etc you can argue that small local community stadiums are good for local employment and community wellbeing and connection in that region.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I'm pretty confident if you did a cost benefit analysis of the return on spending $1bill on ANZ it wouldn't look so good either! End of day the events will continue there if its reconfig or not. Its Sydneys biggest stadium so any event that wants a big crowd has no choice but to use it. In the same way NSW govt will argue big stadiums are good for sports tourism etc you can argue that small local community stadiums are good for local employment and community wellbeing and connection in that region.

ANZ stadium has actually been in profit the the last few years.

I don’t think major stadium are as big a loss maker as you might expect.

Admittedly the profit was only about $10m, but it’s certainly enough to offset the loss a bit.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Why does it always feel like the nrl is about to get f**ked over somehow..

 

[El Diablo]

you'll be hoping the money goes to your Swannies

 

[taipan]

Why does it always feel like the nrl is about to get f**ked over somehow..

Oh I don't know ,as a Swans fan perhaps you have some inside info.Is it because fumble ball is the "game that made Australia" or won WW2 for us?