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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Timbo

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Whilst there is nothing wrong with the Gabba, the reality is it still is the #5 cricket ground with all the upgrades Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney have had recently. Hell, the SCG has dropped to #4.

I think the Gabba was going to struggle to get an India test next year anyway. They want Perth for the time difference, the MCG and SCG have locks on Boxing Day and New Years meaning it was a shootout between Brisbane and Adelaide. Adelaide had more of a claim to the day/night test and has the capacity advantage so I think that'll be it.

Brizzy will still get a test against Sri Lanka in January/February 2019. The problem is it'll be a daytime game (Canberra have already been promised a day/night match in that series, and CA are sticking to a 'one per series' policy), it'll be after school holidays end, it'll be after Big Bash season so the hype for cricket will be done for the year, NRL pre-season will be in full swing, and it'll be against a side that is pretty pathetic at the moment. Hard to see it being a great spectacle.
 

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Whilst there is nothing wrong with the Gabba, the reality is it still is the #5 cricket ground with all the upgrades Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney have had recently. Hell, the SCG has dropped to #4.

I think the Gabba was going to struggle to get an India test next year anyway. They want Perth for the time difference, the MCG and SCG have locks on Boxing Day and New Years meaning it was a shootout between Brisbane and Adelaide. Adelaide had more of a claim to the day/night test and has the capacity advantage so I think that'll be it.

Brizzy will still get a test against Sri Lanka in January/February 2019. The problem is it'll be a daytime game (Canberra have already been promised a day/night match in that series, and CA are sticking to a 'one per series' policy), it'll be after school holidays end, it'll be after Big Bash season so the hype for cricket will be done for the year, NRL pre-season will be in full swing, and it'll be against a side that is pretty pathetic at the moment. Hard to see it being a great spectacle.

The Gabba has a great field and great stadium. With the cross river rail happening in the future, transport won’t be a problem. CA need to becareful about how they go about making public statements like that. “Fix the stadium or we’ll go elsewhere” is blackmail like? And it gets sold out once or twice a year and then first 2 days every 4yrs of a ashes series? Hardly value for money? With Adelaide and Perth spending a heap it makes sense brisbane is 5th best stadium but the field itself is near the best in Aus.
 

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What does annoy me about the Nrl bosses is their reluctance to make comments in the media like the AFL and CA do. The Nrl has 1 rectangle stadium above 50k and it’s in qld. I Cant remember the last time nrl officials bagged Anz, mcg, Etihad, Adelaide Oval or Perth for the fact they are oval stadiums and don’t suit 3 sporting codes in Australia. Once Anz gets rebuilt we will have 2 above 50k and another one at 45k. I’m still sitting on the fence about oval grounds becoming rectangle like Perth stadium. The Nrl need to make it known after the Perth double header and origin game that the Nrl will not play at any oval grounds again. If the ground is oval we won’t play there.
Gfs and origins should be played at 50k plus rectangle grounds. Simple.

A Nrl stadium policy that pushes governments to build 30k rectangle stadiums or 50k if you want origins (with options to increase capacity in future) around the country needs to be looked into. A sporting group made up of rugby,soccer and league officials need to create this policy.

The Nrl need to sort out the other nsw stadia and come up with planned residential/business/stadium builds like that of cronulla.
I think qld should have a 30k stadium west of Brisbane at Ipswich along with the new Brisbane team and increase suncorp to 60k.
Cowboys stadium is perfect
Canberra should get a 30k civic stadium enclosed.
Melbourne’s field is great now but if crowds continue to rise a upgrade will be needed.
Adelaide need to build a 30k rectangle stadium before a nrl team goes there.
Perth’s nib stadium needs further upgrades and commitment before new team.

Easier said than done though.
 

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What does annoy me about the Nrl bosses is their reluctance to make comments in the media like the AFL and CA do. The Nrl has 1 rectangle stadium above 50k and it’s in qld. I Cant remember the last time nrl officials bagged Anz, mcg, Etihad, Adelaide Oval or Perth for the fact they are oval stadiums and don’t suit 3 sporting codes in Australia. Once Anz gets rebuilt we will have 2 above 50k and another one at 45k. I’m still sitting on the fence about oval grounds becoming rectangle like Perth stadium. The Nrl need to make it known after the Perth double header and origin game that the Nrl will not play at any oval grounds again. If the ground is oval we won’t play there.
Gfs and origins should be played at 50k plus rectangle grounds. Simple.

A Nrl stadium policy that pushes governments to build 30k rectangle stadiums or 50k if you want origins (with options to increase capacity in future) around the country needs to be looked into. A sporting group made up of rugby,soccer and league officials need to create this policy.

The Nrl need to sort out the other nsw stadia and come up with planned residential/business/stadium builds like that of cronulla.
I think qld should have a 30k stadium west of Brisbane at Ipswich along with the new Brisbane team and increase suncorp to 60k.
Cowboys stadium is perfect
Canberra should get a 30k civic stadium enclosed.
Melbourne’s field is great now but if crowds continue to rise a upgrade will be needed.
Adelaide need to build a 30k rectangle stadium before a nrl team goes there.
Perth’s nib stadium needs further upgrades and commitment before new team.

Easier said than done though.


Nice to want things. Adelaide and Perth have largeish ovals for a reason. Cricket and more importantly AFL. WCE, Freo, Adel and Port have huge memberships. They dont have NRL or Super Rugby teams and the rectangular stadiums they have are more than adequate for the A-League teams and a possible NRL game. There wont be 50000+ seat rectangular stadiums in those cities any time soon. And neither Govt is spending 600+M for a possible SoO game every 10 years.

Etihad is owned by the AFL. The NRL can bag it all they want. The care factor of AFL about the NRLs opinion would be nil, and then met with outright derision.

The MCG get 2.7M through the gates for the AFL. Threaten the MCC and be met with, “ok, we’re good, your loss, see ya”. Melbourne’s rectangular stadium is a decent size, pretty much perfect for its tenants. The Storm avg this year was the highest ever and still 12k below capacity. Victory averaged more in 2016-17 and they were 9k below it. There is no real need for a bigger place in Melbourne.

So Sydney and Brisbane. Brisbane is set. Sydney is getting 3 essentially new places. It only needs one of massive capacity. The crowds dont really suggest that 2 50,000+ are needed.

Why should Canberra get a 30k stadium. They get 10. Maybe 25

The NRL have no plans for expansion, in fact they seem utterly opposed. AND
NIB is better than at least 6 NRL grounds as is Hindmarsh. The NRL have no leg to stand on there. Those 2 state Govts are going to tell the NRL to GAGF.

Who is going to play at this mythical 30k stadium in Ipswich. See the NRLs anti expansion agenda and the fact the donkeys have them by the nuts regarding another brisbane team.
 

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The great thing about the new ANZ is it will clearly be Australia’s premier rectangular ground. No other ground is close to it. This will guarantee Sydney is the first stop for big international sporting events.

I think everyone agrees a rebuilt anz is a great outcome for major sporting events, it’s a rebuilt Allianz that most think is a waste of money, that money could have been better spent building 2 or 3 25-30k stadiums around Sydney.
 
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I think everyone agrees a rebuilt anz is a great outcome for major sporting events, it’s a rebuilt Allianz that most think is a waste of money, that money could have been better spent building 2 or 3 25-30k stadiums around Sydney.

For me it’s more the size and the money spent on Allianz.

Reality is it’s used by 3 full time tenants. No other stadium in Sydney has that, so something needed to spent on it.

I can definitely see how some of the security issues are real. The place is a rabbit warren.
 
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Stormwarrior82

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Nice to want things. Adelaide and Perth have largeish ovals for a reason. Cricket and more importantly AFL. WCE, Freo, Adel and Port have huge memberships. They dont have NRL or Super Rugby teams and the rectangular stadiums they have are more than adequate for the A-League teams and a possible NRL game. There wont be 50000+ seat rectangular stadiums in those cities any time soon. And neither Govt is spending 600+M for a possible SoO game every 10 years.

Etihad is owned by the AFL. The NRL can bag it all they want. The care factor of AFL about the NRLs opinion would be nil, and then met with outright derision.

The MCG get 2.7M through the gates for the AFL. Threaten the MCC and be met with, “ok, we’re good, your loss, see ya”. Melbourne’s rectangular stadium is a decent size, pretty much perfect for its tenants. The Storm avg this year was the highest ever and still 12k below capacity. Victory averaged more in 2016-17 and they were 9k below it. There is no real need for a bigger place in Melbourne.

So Sydney and Brisbane. Brisbane is set. Sydney is getting 3 essentially new places. It only needs one of massive capacity. The crowds dont really suggest that 2 50,000+ are needed.

Why should Canberra get a 30k stadium. They get 10. Maybe 25

The NRL have no plans for expansion, in fact they seem utterly opposed. AND
NIB is better than at least 6 NRL grounds as is Hindmarsh. The NRL have no leg to stand on there. Those 2 state Govts are going to tell the NRL to GAGF.

Who is going to play at this mythical 30k stadium in Ipswich. See the NRLs anti expansion agenda and the fact the donkeys have them by the nuts regarding another brisbane team.

I agree SA is a long term 10-15yrs propersition. Nrl aren’t against expansion no matter what you and other people on here say. They think it needs to be done differently from Qcup/nsw Cup level first (and that has merit). Perth and Brisbane 2 will get there teams soon enough and the Nrl should be using these bids by negotiating the best deal possible. Once the team arrives and starts playing the bargaining power disappears. Having 30k stadiums around the country should be the minimum for nrl games (or at least new teams).
 
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Why should Canberra get a 30k stadium. They get 10. Maybe 25

Because the main reason that we don't get larger attendances is because of the stadium, it's a converted athletics stadium that is built like a giant concrete wind tunnel with no cover over most of the seating in one of the coldest parts of the country, it's built in a part of the city that is out of the way and there's literally nothing to do around it, it's literally nestled into the middle of a suburb which is wedged between the AIS and a TAFE, and it's starting to fall apart to boot.

So you tell me if you had the choice to stay home and watch the game in a comfortable heated room with good food basically for free, or to go out into the middle of nowhere to sit in a wind tunnel at -2 degrees without anywhere to catch a bite to eat or even to get out of the cold, and you had to pay roughly $100 for the right to sit in said wind tunnel, which would choose.

Canberra fans like myself who brave the elements week in week out in that bloody stadium are the toughest sports fans in the country, we show when it's 40 degrees, there's no shade and the only beer you can get is the watered down piss that they serve at the stadium, and then a few weeks later we show when it's -2 but windchill makes it feel like -15 and the only food you can get to warm your belly is a reheated frozen pie that's cold and still frozen in the middle, unfortunately there simply aren't very many people that are willing to pay for the privilege to do that, and I can't blame them...

But the main reason that the stadium needs to be at least 30k (I'd suggest even a little bigger maybe) is because to make it viable it needs to be able to attract events other then just the Raiders and Brumbies, it needs to be able to attract events that Canberra isn't normally considered for because of a lack of suitable facilities, like concerts and other arena events, otherwise the stadium simply isn't viable.
 

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There's no way the people in the east would buy food or take a piss in a revamped shipping container.
5-6 shipping containers decked out to corporate suites would be an upgrade to Brookie, no need to worry about assembling the leftover pieces of a stadium that are inside the containers.
 
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The Nrl need to sort out the other nsw stadia and come up with planned residential/business/stadium builds like that of cronulla.

I don't think any other NRL club will wind up going down the path Cronulla did. The Sharks decided to buy their own ground, whilst all the others rent. That actually created a financial drag on the Sharks as they had to worry about maintenance and upgrading of the stadium in their financial plans whilst other clubs don't. No NRL club these days is going to take on the huge debt they would need to do to finance building a stadium they would own. The costs of servicing such a loan would be nigh on prohibitive.
 

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I don't think any other NRL club will wind up going down the path Cronulla did. The Sharks decided to buy their own ground, whilst all the others rent. That actually created a financial drag on the Sharks as they had to worry about maintenance and upgrading of the stadium in their financial plans whilst other clubs don't. No NRL club these days is going to take on the huge debt they would need to do to finance building a stadium they would own. The costs of servicing such a loan would be nigh on prohibitive.

Maybe not clubs on there own, but councils along with businesses and clubs, could go a long way to creating a community stadium.
 

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Sea Eagles hire expert in a bid to secure a revamp of Brookvale Oval

Dean Ritchie Exclusive, The Daily Telegraph
November 28, 2017 6:08pm

MANLY have engaged the Melbourne stadiums expert who helped the Geelong Cats secure a $210 million redevelopment of Kardinia Park to help save dilapidated Brookvale Oval.

Leading sports facility consultant Chris Dare is urgently looking for ways to revamp Brookie in what could be the Sea Eagles’ final chance to secure the future of their spiritual home, or face having to shift more games away from the Northern Beaches.

“There is a future at Brookvale, no doubt about it. But the pressure is on,” Dare said.

Dare, managing director of stadiums advisory firm Waypoint, has been heavily involved in the reconstruction of Kardinia Park — now known as GMHBA Stadium — a state-of-the-art 40,000-seat facility for Geelong AFL fans. A further $100m is set to be injected into the stadium to complete the project.

Brookvale desperately requires work, and between $50-$80 million if it is to be turned into a 23,000 seat stadium.

Manly have been promised $22.5 million from previous state and federal government grants for upgrades and, along with Waypoint, have held talks with Northern Beaches Council to somehow find a financial solution.

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Manly have engaged a stadiums expert to help secure a revamp of Brookvale Oval.

The NSW Government announced last week it would spend $2.3 billion on rebuilding ANZ, Allianz and Parramatta Stadiums, but offer no money to crumbling suburbans grounds.

Dare refuses to concede Brookvale will be lost to Sea Eagles fans who have attended the ground for 70 years.

“One of our key projects has been the GMHBA Stadium down there at Geelong — it’s gone from a little ground in a regional centre to a very significant venue which has driven a lot of community change,” Dare said.

“Believe me, Geelong was in a poor state when we first started — the AFL was going to pull games from them and take them to Melbourne. There is a lot of parallels with the work we have done there and the situation at Brookvale.

“The challenge is about developing partnerships. I don’t yet accept there is no government funding for Brookie. We as an organisation specialise in getting the government to invest in sporting infrastructure.

“We will look at things we have done elsewhere that we might be able to bring to Brookvale to excite the government.”

Dore suggested relocating Manly’s training base from Narrabeen and developing community centres to make Brookvale a centrepiece of the area.

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One of six redevelopment plans for proposed for Brookvale Oval.

“Interacting with our fans on a daily basis rather than just at matches,” he said.

“It’s got the attributes to be something special.”

Manly will run an open forum tonight where fans, members and sponsors can question the club on numerous issues, including Brookvale Oval’s future.

The club has unsuccessfully lobbied to upgrade the ground for 22 years. New chief executive Lyall Gorman has immediately started implementing his plans for future redevelopment.

“We are in very active discussions through local government,” Gorman said.

“We have also engaged Waypoint. Chris will work with all stakeholders to develop a masterplan for Brookvale.”

Dare added: “There is hope for Brookvale.

“We are only two weeks into the project so I am still getting my head around the enormous background of Brookie and all the reports.

“Having spoken to people from Council and from within the club over the last few weeks, and people who have been historically involved, there is a future for the ground.

“It’s about finding a solution that fits in with the community’s desire to see the venue continue to be used. A way that supports the club on and off the field in a sustainable way through partnerships with other groups. That’s the challenge at hand.”

Dare wouldn’t place a time frame on any possible revamp but hoped it would be “quickly”.

“But I am realistic, these things do take a bit of time,” he said.

The company has also worked with the NRL, NSWRL, Cronulla, Wests Tigers, Melbourne Storm and Sydney Roosters.
 

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I think everyone agrees a rebuilt anz is a great outcome for major sporting events, it’s a rebuilt Allianz that most think is a waste of money, that money could have been better spent building 2 or 3 25-30k stadiums around Sydney.

I don't get the push back on SFS by some on here.

Sydney is the biggest and most iconic city in this country and is well and truly on the world stage and we don't want a world class 45k seat rectangular stadium in/near it's CBD?

It is sorely needed and goes beyond rugby league. Realistically, besides origin, NRL GF, the Bledisloe (maybe) and the odd Socceroos do or die WCQ, there are very few events that would suit the new ANZ over the new SFS.
 
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I don't get the push back on SFS by some on here.

Sydney is the biggest and most iconic city in this country and is well and truly on the world stage and we don't want a world class 45k seat rectangular stadium in/near it's CBD?

It is sorely needed and goes beyond rugby league. Realistically, besides origin, NRL GF, the Bledisloe (maybe) and the odd Socceroos do or die WCQ, there are very few events that would suit the new ANZ over the new SFS.

It’s the opposite. There are few events that suit 45k.

For sporting events Allianz only gets over 40,000 people, 3 times.

Anzac Day
Sydney Derby
Possible wallabies test match.


I still think Allianz should have been rebuilt, but 45k is the wrong size. They should be treating it like a club stadium, which it is for 95% of its events.

It’s not just sporting events either, all the big concerts now go to ANZ.
 
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