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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

The Great Dane

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This suburban ground will be developed ,probably before tired old Bruce gets pulled down.Seeing your all seater stadium rarely gets filled, such a bleeding pity.Half filled is good enough LOL.

In my opinion it's better to half fill a stadium and get average crowds of 15,469 with plenty of room to grow then it is to fill your "suburban ground" and get average crowds of 13,196 with barely any room to grow...
 

carcharias

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In my opinion it's better to half fill a stadium and get average crowds of 15,469 with plenty of room to grow then it is to fill your "suburban ground" and get average crowds of 13,196 with barely any room to grow...

I’d rather watch my team play at its own home ground.

I don’t need 15000 empty seats just in case .
 

taipan

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hahaha
a few hundred ahead & you're weting your pants
long way to go
keep your powder dry

& how much more of an incentive can you get then winning the comp ?
yet sharks crowds & membership numbers barely went up the following year LOL's
seriously WTF ??

& profits & developments mean nothing
your ground is STILL a suburban hole & short of tearing it down & starting again
that wont change

You have twice the population ,you should have twice the membership.

A share of the prize money for players, the gratitude of their fans,$2m in merchandise sales, extra revenue for the club.Think that's a bigger incentive than a group clap.

You lost it LOL "Profits and developments mean nothing" Quote of the year.That sort of comment would do well in eastern Europe circa 1960-80.
A suburban hole owned and operated by the club.Meaning control.Profits mean nothing ,the very reason the club got $8m towards their Cof E was due to the club matching the Govt grant.
 

taipan

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In my opinion it's better to half fill a stadium and get average crowds of 15,469 with plenty of room to grow then it is to fill your "suburban ground" and get average crowds of 13,196 with barely any room to grow...
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Barely any room to grow," based on what you assessments?
A club making money from a large development ,club throughput from next door ,and long term retail rentals next door, is in a far better position than a club that doesn't have those facilities.

The Sutherland Shire is required within 5 years to have residences units/duplex etc to cater for an extra 10,000.
If you have a ghost of an idea of what is going on there now, you may get the message.

Try Kirrawee nearly 800 units, huge developments near Port Hacking high.multi units near Taren Point Road Caringbah,the Sharks development 700 units plus, the Shearbrooke Landing Development at Wanda,new developments planned for near Menai.

For a start averages regardless are also a result of sh*thouse scheduling in the past.
 

The Great Dane

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I’d rather watch my team play at its own home ground.

I don’t need 15000 empty seats just in case .

Well supposedly Shark parks capacity is 22,000, your average for last year was 13,196, so you're playing in front of a half empty stadium anyway...

You have twice the population ,you should have twice the membership.

What!
Canberra has twice the population of Sydney, that's news to me.

"
Barely any room to grow," based on what you assessments?
A club making money from a large development ,club throughput from next door ,and long term retail rentals next door, is in a far better position than a club that doesn't have those facilities.

The Sutherland Shire is required within 5 years to have residences units/duplex etc to cater for an extra 10,000.
If you have a ghost of an idea of what is going on there now, you may get the message.

Try Kirrawee nearly 800 units, huge developments near Port Hacking high.multi units near Taren Point Road Caringbah,the Sharks development 700 units plus, the Shearbrooke Landing Development at Wanda,new developments planned for near Menai.

For a start averages regardless are also a result of sh*thouse scheduling in the past.

I was talking about your potential crowd growth, your friend was making out that Shark Park is basically sold out every game and your average for last year was 13k, so running on the theory that Shark Park is basically full every game (which turned out not to be true) you were averaging lower crowds then the Raiders without any space in your stadium to grow...

Besides you're making a lot of assumptions above anyway, like that a significant number of the new people moving into the area will be interested in becoming Sharks fans, which is just asinine.

Of those 10,000 or so people and their families that do move in most of the ones that have any interest in RL will already have teams that they support, and of whats left you'll be lucky to get %10 that pick up any interest in the sport after moving in, and of the %10 a large percentage (if not the majority) will almost certainly choose other clubs over Cronulla to support.
So simplifying it down to one person per-unit, of the 10k moving into the area over the next five year the Sharks will be doing alright if they gain roughly 50-100 new fans out of them...
 

carcharias

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I never said there were 22k seats at Shark Park, that is however it's capacity according to Wiki.

That is standing room only and you’d be packed in like sardines

....and I highly doubt that is even possible.

There is only about 11000 seats and that takes up the east, west and southern sides of the field.

Leaving the family hill ( no alcohol) at the northern end and the hill next to it plus a few tiny spots to the cram another 11000 people into.

I’d say that figure is bullshit.
A bullshit figure quoted by an old admin that loved to make up the crowd figures.

This imaginary 22000 capacity has been spoken about by us sharks fans in here for a while now.

We reckon it’s more like 18 max.
Most of the seating gets sold out before the season too.
 

taipan

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Well supposedly Shark parks capacity is 22,000, your average for last year was 13,196, so you're playing in front of a half empty stadium anyway...



What!
Canberra has twice the population of Sydney, that's news to me.



I was talking about your potential crowd growth, your friend was making out that Shark Park is basically sold out every game and your average for last year was 13k, so running on the theory that Shark Park is basically full every game (which turned out not to be true) you were averaging lower crowds then the Raiders without any space in your stadium to grow...

Besides you're making a lot of assumptions above anyway, like that a significant number of the new people moving into the area will be interested in becoming Sharks fans, which is just asinine.

Of those 10,000 or so people and their families that do move in most of the ones that have any interest in RL will already have teams that they support, and of whats left you'll be lucky to get %10 that pick up any interest in the sport after moving in, and of the %10 a large percentage (if not the majority) will almost certainly choose other clubs over Cronulla to support.
So simplifying it down to one person per-unit, of the 10k moving into the area over the next five year the Sharks will be doing alright if they gain roughly 50-100 new fans out of them...
 

taipan

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Well supposedly Shark parks capacity is 22,000, your average for last year was 13,196, so you're playing in front of a half empty stadium anyway...



What!
Canberra has twice the population of Sydney, that's news to me.



I was talking about your potential crowd growth, your friend was making out that Shark Park is basically sold out every game and your average for last year was 13k, so running on the theory that Shark Park is basically full every game (which turned out not to be true) you were averaging lower crowds then the Raiders without any space in your stadium to grow...

Besides you're making a lot of assumptions above anyway, like that a significant number of the new people moving into the area will be interested in becoming Sharks fans, which is just asinine.

Of those 10,000 or so people and their families that do move in most of the ones that have any interest in RL will already have teams that they support, and of whats left you'll be lucky to get %10 that pick up any interest in the sport after moving in, and of the %10 a large percentage (if not the majority) will almost certainly choose other clubs over Cronulla to support.
So simplifying it down to one person per-unit, of the 10k moving into the area over the next five year the Sharks will be doing alright if they gain roughly 50-100 new fans out of them...




Um, not correct 19,000 just about capacity, with the southern stand in place.13,000 is half of 19,000 apparently LOL.
Canberra has twice the population of the Shire, where the Sharks are domiciled sheesh.Where did I suggest it was twice Sydney's.
When they have had 18,000 ,the assumption has been 20,000 plus, and they got that figure with a dance spectacular to a game,but it was chocko with barely room to move

"Without any space to grow".Are you serious, extending Peter Burns stand ,extending ET stand for starters under cover.Knocking down the ET stand, would provide a large increase with a bigger stand.Joining Southern stand to ET and Peter Burns.I don;t have to be an architect to see what could be achieved with money available.

When you have 2,000 people moving next door within 100meters plus another 8,000 plus elsewhere, no one is suggesting they will be Shark's supporters, but there is potential for growth in numbers, and potential for people who follow other clubs who moved in ,to go to games involving their club due to the proximity.
You see I've been following this mob,since they had crowds of 5,000 regularly in the past.That has obviously increased .Why? Partly population increase? Partly new followers due to star players or improved facilities or live Tv for kids following the code due to success breeding a following.

Simplifying is not the word, never made the assumption.It's potential for growth.
So to suggest I'm making such assumptions ,by your obvious assumptions ,is the pot and kettle example.
Last line has been refuted, simply by the large increase in memberships involving seasonal seating.This before any decent population increase.
All this achieved with a stadium ,not an all seater, plenty of non cover.The potential for growth is there.Memebrship growth already points in that direction.
 
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Raiderdave

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That is standing room only and you’d be packed in like sardines

....and I highly doubt that is even possible.

There is only about 11000 seats and that takes up the east, west and southern sides of the field.

Leaving the family hill ( no alcohol) at the northern end and the hill next to it plus a few tiny spots to the cram another 11000 people into.

I’d say that figure is bullshit.
A bullshit figure quoted by an old admin that loved to make up the crowd figures.

This imaginary 22000 capacity has been spoken about by us sharks fans in here for a while now.

We reckon it’s more like 18 max.
Most of the seating gets sold out before the season too.

any ground in the NRL that doesn't have a 20K capacity should be bulldozed
just plain embarrasing
 

Raiderdave

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You have twice the population ,you should have twice the membership.

A share of the prize money for players, the gratitude of their fans,$2m in merchandise sales, extra revenue for the club.Think that's a bigger incentive than a group clap.

You lost it LOL "Profits and developments mean nothing" Quote of the year.That sort of comment would do well in eastern Europe circa 1960-80.
A suburban hole owned and operated by the club.Meaning control.Profits mean nothing ,the very reason the club got $8m towards their Cof E was due to the club matching the Govt grant.

hahahahaha
yeah
if we had every RL fan in Canberra following us we would probably have triple your membership
25% more is pretty impressive considering you were the premiers & we haven't had any real success in over 20 years. Based on that ridiculous assesment , Parramatta should have 45,000 members LOL

oh & we don't have 5 million potential fans parked on our door step
its typical of this tiny insular inward thinking club you follow that they believe there isn't an RL fan outside the shire in Sydney worth pitching too.


your catchment is technically & potentially 12 times bigger then ours : )
 
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taipan

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hahahahaha
yeah
if we had every RL fan in Canberra following us we would probably have triple your membership
25% more is pretty impressive considering you were the premiers & we haven't had any real success in over 20 years. Based on that ridiculous assesment , Parramatta should have 45,000 members LOL

oh & we don't have 5 million potential fans parked on our door step
its typical of this tiny insular inward thinking club you follow that they believe there isn't an RL fan outside the shire in Sydney worth pitching too.


your catchment is technically & potentially 12 times bigger then ours : )


Well simply they don't in Canberra.GWS must have stolen them LOL.

LOL Sydney has 9 NRL clubs,2 AFL clubs ,2 Soccer clubs and 1 union club.Your competition in Canbraaaa?? You really have difficulty with maths.

Yeah a tiny insular club on G/F day 2016 had nearly 70,000 Sharks' supporters off all persuasions, rusted on,bandwaggoners,and casuals ,many coming from afar.A tiny insular club that in 2015 had 10,610 members,in 2017 15,556,and who knows the final tally in 2018.

The tiny insular club that is involved in a $750m development ,that will help ensure it long term, that owns its ground.That scored one of the bigger Cof E grants from the State Govt,yeah that one.

Your bitterness would shine through a Canberra fog.
 

Stallion

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On that note, alot of people enjoy the grassy hills. Im aware it's not for everyone but you will have fans turn up due to them preferring the hill as opposed to a confined seat. Im all for main grandstands accomodating big numbers but so does the hill for very different reasons. To this day, excepting the Kangaroos v Kiwis test (33000attended)the Knights home stadium has not hosted a 30000plus crowd since the days the Eastern side hill was in action. It's now a great grandstand but the message is underestimating the value of a hill is a mistake for rugby league for various home grounds.
 
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No other clubs have been able to grow their crowds like those that have 21st century stadiums. Look at the figures.

Sure, some people still like the nostalgia of footy parks, but it’s a minority.
 
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