The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Saint Doc]

If ANZ doesn’t get done, then the NRL needs to remove all games from there. All club teams to play out of Parra, SFS and suburban grounds. Origin to Canberra, Newcastle, interstate, NZ. All grand finals interstate. Leave ANZ as a $200m white elephant.

 

[beave]

Step up Toddles and Petey boy, time to see if you got the kahunas to put these idiots in their place.

Its one step forward 3 steps backwards at the moment, it’s doing my (simple) head in.

 

[Quidgybo]

Devils advocate it would be cheaper for the nsw Govt to outbid other govts for gf’s for the next 25 years than paying for anz!

Assuming we accept their existing stadium as suitable to bid at all. The way I’d play this if they backflip is we should immediately take it away for the next three years, first and third in Brisbane, second in Melbourne. Then we simply say to them, either you deliver what you promised us or years 4 and 5 are going elsewhere too. Your move Sydney.

Three years is a good timeframe because it’s long enough to get everyone’s attention while still short enough to not look to be abandoning Sydney fans. It also happens to be just about the right length to build a stadium from scratch and it’s also less than one term of government so the current government at that time can reap the benefit politically if they’re seen to be bringing the Grand Final home.

For the game it also has the benefit of freeing it from the 25 year tie to Sydney because once it’s taken away it’s never going back permanently. Sorry Sydney, you screwed up. Brisbane and Melbourne have shown they can host it and others also want it, so that deal is now off the table. If you want back in, build the stadium you promised. Maybe we’ll agree to give it to you every second year for the next thirty years if you do a good job on the design.

Leigh.

 

[Danish]

Yes. About 7500.

Also think some people may buy them to skip the SCG waiting list.

That’s the primary reason for sure. Waiting list is well over 10 years at the moment.

Surprised they have so many gold and above members.... although they likely have stolen quite a few from ANZ recently, especially with the wallabies and Swans no longer playing games out west. ANZ’s current handling of members is also utter garbage (I was a member for a few years and the seats I was allocated for origin and grand final were always between the try line and dead ball line, so we cancelled).

Probably another reason why they are trying to scuttle the ANZ rebuild. If it goes ahead the trust will lose a tonne of high level members to the new stadium

 

[Raiderdave]

Devils advocate it would be cheaper for the nsw Govt to outbid other govts for gf’s for the next 25 years than paying for anz!

the NRL must make it abundently clear then

the NSW Govt is out of the bidding process if they don't do ANZ
they don't get a bid
if its the liberals , well they lied , they screwed us , they pandered to ayres & his football fan loving cronies
F them
end of

if its labor , well they're just f**kwits ...

all of the 4 other capitals have stadiums capable of holding our biggest events
hell even Auckland

 

[Raiderdave]

So your statement completely ignoring the fact that the cost of living in Sydney ON EVERYTHING has gone up from the selling of assets, but hey, You have a train station and a tunnel and ignore all the shit they have done because YOU have came out on top while claiming youve voted labor all your life
f**k off merkin, youre not fooling anyone. .

do you work for the NSW labor party or something ?

 

[OldPanther]

Step up Toddles and Petey boy, time to see if you got the kahunas to put these idiots in their place.

Its one step forward 3 steps backwards at the moment, it’s doing my (simple) head in.

They have been promoting it pretty regularly on social media.

 

[T-Boon]

I'd be shifting this years DragonRooster Anzac day game from Alliance to ANZ for safety reasons.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...t/news-story/61f98445d9afe18e02a5e3ed7e03c313

Stadiums agreement still unseen by NSW cabinet

• The Australian
• 12:00AM March 16, 2018
• Andrew Clennell

The memorandum of understanding signed by NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres with the NRL, which ties the $1.25 billion proposed knockdown and rebuild of ANZ Stadium with keeping grand finals in Sydney for 25 years, never made it to cabinet.

Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter Beattie tweeted this week that: “NRL has signed an MOU with the NSW Govt for the construction of 3 new stadiums at Parramatta, Moore Park & Sydney OIympic Park. In return the NRL guarantees an Origin match & Grand Final in Sydney for the next 25 years.’’

But The Australian understands state cabinet has not seen the document.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian’s office refused to release the document last night because of confidential commercial matters.

The MOU was signed on the day Ms Berejiklian announced she would spend more than $2bn to build two stadiums: November 24, the day after cabinet decided to build the stadiums.

The revelation will add more intrigue to the release of documents to the upper house in three weeks after a Labor motion successfully passed yesterday forcing the government to hand over its stadium secrets.

Ms Berejiklian chastised her ministers yesterday for talking to journalists on the matter, saying that in doing so the ministers were “undermining me” and “undermining the government”.

She said she knew which ministers were talking to journalists.

The government had been set yesterday to debate the proposed $700 million-$800m knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium in Sydney’s east, but the Premier pulled the cabinet item after lobbying from Mr Beattie.

The government was yesterday forced to agree to have all documents related to the stadiums released to the upper house, after government MP Matthew Mason-Cox threatened to cross the floor.

The government now has 21 days to produce the documents. Mr Mason-Cox has previously publicly expressed concern about the project.

Opposition Leader Luke Foley clarified his position yesterday, saying he would consider “modest refurbishments” of ANZ and Allianz but no knockdown and rebuild.

 

[El Diablo]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/03/16/03/38/roosters-push-for-allianz-stadium-rebuild

Roosters push for Allianz Stadium rebuild

By AAP
5 hours ago

Sydney Roosters coach Trent Robinson warns the NSW capital risks falling behind the rest of the country if the state government's plans to rebuild Allianz Stadium don't go ahead.

The Berejiklian government's push to knock down and rebuild the Sydney Football Stadium at Moore Park and ANZ Stadium at Homebush is in disarray after they were forced to postpone a major announcement this week.

MP Matthew Mason-Cox has come out against the government's $2 billion plan while Opposition Leader Luke Foley has ruled out a knock down of Allianz and ANZ Stadiums ahead of next year's election.

ARL commission chairman Peter Beattie has been tasked with heading a public relations campaign to sell the government's message, with the NRL and clubs throwing their full support behind the government's stadia strategy.

Beattie used social media to threaten to take major events such as State of Origin and the grand final away from NSW if the rebuilds didn't go ahead.

Roosters coach Trent Robinson, whose side plays out of Allianz Stadium, said the state's sporting facilities had fallen behind the rest of the country.

"Just being a Sydneysider I want to go to grounds like (Perth's Optus Stadium). I watched the Perth game on the weekend or if I go down to Melbourne, I want that experience in the heart of Sydney," Robinson said.

"The Roosters, we very much support a rebuild of our home ground.

"But as a sporting lover, I want Sydney to be the sporting capital that it is."

The Sydney Cricket Ground Trust argues that Allianz Stadium represents a health hazard and is ill-equipped to deal with an emergency and toilet and food and beverage facilities are also sub-standard.

"It was built in 1988 and it's actually a great viewing ground here," Robinson said.

"It's just the facilities don't match the viewing ground.

"People enjoy coming and watching football here, they just don't enjoy the amenities.

"We're no longer just 80 minutes - sport is about an event around the game and we can't offer that at the moment."

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/234fa10d638f4f076e8e4ababc35e769

John Quayle backs plans for three first-class rectangular stadiums

• The Australian
• 12:00AM March 16, 2018
• Brent Read

John Quayle has spent a large chunk of his life in stadiums. First as a rugby league player. Later as the chief executive of the Australian Rugby League and general manager of venues at the Sydney Olympics.

More recently, as a board member of both the Newcastle Knights and Venues NSW. Few are as well placed to answer the question about why Sydney needs to spend more than $2 billion on knocking down and rebuilding Parramatta, Allianz and ANZ Stadiums.

“The thing is that you very rarely get an opportunity to do this,” Quayle said.

“Now we have a government that is prepared to spend and make a decision for the future. Look, 80 per cent of the content is rectangular. Olympic Park was built for the Olympics.

“The future in this city is rectangular (stadiums). Under the stadia policy it gives us the opportunity to have three first-class rectangular stadiums equal to anywhere from 2024 and beyond.

“For the next 30 to 40 years you have what the city deserves. That to me is the most important thing in all of this.”

Quayle has decided to break his silence on the stadium debate because he can see the massive impact new venues can have on sport and economics in the city.

The issue has been a political hot potato for months as debate raged over the amount that was being spent on the city’s major venues. The government has kept everyone guessing but the matter is slowly coming to a head.

Some have suggested the money would be better directed towards schools and hospitals. Quayle asks why you can’t have both.

“You don’t ignore health and schools,” Quayle said.

“You add stadiums. That’s what this government is prepared to do — spend this money over and above what they have committed to schools and health.

“They are trying to look for the long-term benefit. That to me is a good strategy. It is all our rectangular codes.

“It gives them the opportunity to look to the future. To me it’s not just about rugby league. It is about the best events and the best stadiums.

“Government is prepared to do this because they have the resources now. Don’t lose the opportunity. It gives Sydney and NSW the high-class facilities for the future. It is what the city deserves.

“You have to look at the bigger and longer-term picture. If this doesn’t go ahead, it (Sydney) can be left behind. You would hate to be in the position down the track of saying we could have done that 10 years ago but we didn’t think it was of benefit to the city.”

 

[OldPanther]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/234fa10d638f4f076e8e4ababc35e769

John Quayle backs plans for three first-class rectangular stadiums

• The Australian
• 12:00AM March 16, 2018
• Brent Read

John Quayle has spent a large chunk of his life in stadiums. First as a rugby league player. Later as the chief executive of the Australian Rugby League and general manager of venues at the Sydney Olympics.

More recently, as a board member of both the Newcastle Knights and Venues NSW. Few are as well placed to answer the question about why Sydney needs to spend more than $2 billion on knocking down and rebuilding Parramatta, Allianz and ANZ Stadiums.

“The thing is that you very rarely get an opportunity to do this,” Quayle said.

“Now we have a government that is prepared to spend and make a decision for the future. Look, 80 per cent of the content is rectangular. Olympic Park was built for the Olympics.

“The future in this city is rectangular (stadiums). Under the stadia policy it gives us the opportunity to have three first-class rectangular stadiums equal to anywhere from 2024 and beyond.

“For the next 30 to 40 years you have what the city deserves. That to me is the most important thing in all of this.”

Quayle has decided to break his silence on the stadium debate because he can see the massive impact new venues can have on sport and economics in the city.

The issue has been a political hot potato for months as debate raged over the amount that was being spent on the city’s major venues. The government has kept everyone guessing but the matter is slowly coming to a head.

Some have suggested the money would be better directed towards schools and hospitals. Quayle asks why you can’t have both.

“You don’t ignore health and schools,” Quayle said.

“You add stadiums. That’s what this government is prepared to do — spend this money over and above what they have committed to schools and health.

“They are trying to look for the long-term benefit. That to me is a good strategy. It is all our rectangular codes.

“It gives them the opportunity to look to the future. To me it’s not just about rugby league. It is about the best events and the best stadiums.

“Government is prepared to do this because they have the resources now. Don’t lose the opportunity. It gives Sydney and NSW the high-class facilities for the future. It is what the city deserves.

“You have to look at the bigger and longer-term picture. If this doesn’t go ahead, it (Sydney) can be left behind. You would hate to be in the position down the track of saying we could have done that 10 years ago but we didn’t think it was of benefit to the city.”

Bloody well said.

 

[adamkungl]

How far into the third-world do you have to go to find a city with worse stadiums than Sydney?
No comparable city, and many that don't come close, have far better facilities than us.
Melbourne Brisbane Perth Adelaide Auckland Wellington all leave Sydney for dead.

 

[beave]

Don’t forget the new NQ fortress Kungl.......... ;-P

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I'm assuming the Roosters are going to pitch in to build their new stadium?

 

[Timbo]

How far into the third-world do you have to go to find a city with worse stadiums than Sydney?
No comparable city, and many that don't come close, have far better facilities than us.
Melbourne Brisbane Perth Adelaide Auckland Wellington all leave Sydney for dead.

Auckland and Wellington?

I'm with you that Sydney's stadiums need replacing, but this is a bit much.

Auckland:

Eden Park (50k) - Modern, but compromised stadium for still having to share with cricket. Strange sight lines and a collection of upgrades over the years.

Mt Smart (30k) - Badly starting to show its age, especially in the western stand. Built no-frills to begin with.

North Harbour (25k) - One stand and a hill, built in 1997.

Wellington

Westpac (35k) - Cricket don't like it because it's too big, and rugby doesn't love it because the sight lines are off and you're a mile from the sidelines.

Basin Reserve (8k) - If it was in Sydney, would host the occasional Sheffield Shield game and not much else.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I'm assuming the Roosters are going to pitch in to build their new stadium?

Just as soon as the Rabbitohs, Bulldogs, Panthers, Eels, Tigers, Dragons and Sea Eagles do for theirs

 

[T-Boon]

It is a bit of a political own goal that none of the Western Sydney NRL clubs are very interested in womens RL/sport.

If they were all falling over themselves to have a team and invest in general womandum thats something you can take to the government and say lets all get on board. Unfortunately GWS Giants are right on the front foot and have all the momentum. So the timing of that and these stadium issues is unfortunate.

Maybe we can use the womens state of origin in some way but again that is going to be hard to promote given the WS NRL clubs are less than excited about the womens game and generally don't get the point of the exercise.
Maybe the NRL could start a couple of new clubs in Western Sydney to include in the WNRL have them play out of ANZ.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The issue I have is that any backdown of the MOU that the current nsw gov agreed to could have zero real impact in the end. The stadium debacle could end up being an agreed decision from both sides of government. And the decision gets made and we have zero choice other than to accept the decision. If the MOU isn’t kept the Nrl should look at costs associated to moving the gf to Brisbane this year or definitely next. If they don’t keep to their MOU why should we stick to our contract commitments? This would impact the current nsw government and there inconsistent decisions. How legally binding is a MOU?

Also if the decision is made soon, next years draw should reflect a complete overhaul and have the bare minimum games at Allianz and Anz as possible. Move all possible games interstate and/or overseas.

Make Anz a massive white elephant and then buy it back for nothing.

Maybe if this new committee digs deep enough, all of Stuart Ayres projects could be his undoing? Fingers crossed.

 

[juro]

Just as soon as the Rabbitohs, Bulldogs, Panthers, Eels, Tigers, Dragons and Sea Eagles do for theirs

The SFS is being built first, remember...