The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[adamkungl]

Auckland and Wellington?

I'm with you that Sydney's stadiums need replacing, but this is a bit much.

Auckland:

Eden Park (50k) - Modern, but compromised stadium for still having to share with cricket. Strange sight lines and a collection of upgrades over the years.

Mt Smart (30k) - Badly starting to show its age, especially in the western stand. Built no-frills to begin with.

North Harbour (25k) - One stand and a hill, built in 1997.

Wellington

Westpac (35k) - Cricket don't like it because it's too big, and rugby doesn't love it because the sight lines are off and you're a mile from the sidelines.

Basin Reserve (8k) - If it was in Sydney, would host the occasional Sheffield Shield game and not much else.

Sticking to the top stadiums (since that's what we're debating), Eden Park and the Caketin are both on par for shitty sightlines and awkward size, but more modern facilities and arguably better locations than ANZ.

ANZ beats them for size obviously, but the worst thing about ANZ is that even the lower bowl has shit views thanks to being too shallow and too far from the action.

 

[T-Boon]

Make Anz a massive white elephant and then buy it back for nothing.

AFL would bid against us.

 

[adamkungl]

I'm assuming the Roosters are going to pitch in to build their new stadium?

The stadiums aren't being built for NRL teams, they're being built to attract world class big ticket events.
Framing the debate around NRL club games is a red herring. The State Government doesn't care about the Roosters or any other individual club. What they care about is the Grand Final and State of Origin.

That said, we will contribute by paying rent and providing regular content

 

[T-Boon]

The issue I have is that any backdown of the MOU that the current nsw gov agreed to could have zero real impact in the end. The stadium debacle could end up being an agreed decision from both sides of government.

If the NRL took the GF and SoO interstate it would suddenly become an issue for both parties. You could almost start a NSW Sports Party with the platform of bringing major events like the NRL GF, SoO and other major sporting events back to Sydney.

 

[T-Boon]

Anyway, hopefully one thing Peter Beattie brings to the NRL is some schooling on how to play politics a looooot better.

 

[Perth Red]

Auckland and Wellington?

I'm with you that Sydney's stadiums need replacing, but this is a bit much.

Auckland:

Eden Park (50k) - Modern, but compromised stadium for still having to share with cricket. Strange sight lines and a collection of upgrades over the years.

Mt Smart (30k) - Badly starting to show its age, especially in the western stand. Built no-frills to begin with.

North Harbour (25k) - One stand and a hill, built in 1997.

Wellington

Westpac (35k) - Cricket don't like it because it's too big, and rugby doesn't love it because the sight lines are off and you're a mile from the sidelines.

Basin Reserve (8k) - If it was in Sydney, would host the occasional Sheffield Shield game and not much else.

To be fair they are much much smaller cities than Sydney. If you were looking for a 5mill plus population equivalent city it would be quite a search!

 

[Perth Red]

It is a bit of a political own goal that none of the Western Sydney NRL clubs are very interested in womens RL/sport.

If they were all falling over themselves to have a team and invest in general womandum thats something you can take to the government and say lets all get on board. Unfortunately GWS Giants are right on the front foot and have all the momentum. So the timing of that and these stadium issues is unfortunate.

Maybe we can use the womens state of origin in some way but again that is going to be hard to promote given the WS NRL clubs are less than excited about the womens game and generally don't get the point of the exercise.
Maybe the NRL could start a couple of new clubs in Western Sydney to include in the WNRL have them play out of ANZ.

I see even the ARU have launched their national womens comp. f**k RL is slow off the blocks!

 

[Perth Red]

The issue I have is that any backdown of the MOU that the current nsw gov agreed to could have zero real impact in the end. The stadium debacle could end up being an agreed decision from both sides of government. And the decision gets made and we have zero choice other than to accept the decision. If the MOU isn’t kept the Nrl should look at costs associated to moving the gf to Brisbane this year or definitely next. If they don’t keep to their MOU why should we stick to our contract commitments? This would impact the current nsw government and there inconsistent decisions. How legally binding is a MOU?

Also if the decision is made soon, next years draw should reflect a complete overhaul and have the bare minimum games at Allianz and Anz as possible. Move all possible games interstate and/or overseas.

Make Anz a massive white elephant and then buy it back for nothing.

Maybe if this new committee digs deep enough, all of Stuart Ayres projects could be his undoing? Fingers crossed.

Id imagine the GF is worth around $5-10mill a year if not more. Any backflip has to see the NRL scrap the MOU and get market value for this major sporting event in Australia's calendar. It is probably one of the most lucrative from a sports tourism point of view as the number of fans who will travel for it is significant and arguably the biggest of any sports event in the country other than maybe Formula 1 for travelling fans and the revenue generation they can bring for a State.

What that means for RL in Sydney will also have to be considered. The game can ill afford to be less popular there

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

The government had been set yesterday to debate the proposed $700 million-$800m knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium in Sydney’s east, but the Premier pulled the cabinet item after lobbying from Mr Beattie.

Good to have a few politicians hanging around the ARLC...

 

[Stormwarrior82]

AFL would bid against us.

Well I guess they could but would the nsw gov want the Nrl gf or origins ever again? Or choose afl and wait for the swans and gws get to a semi final again?

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Id imagine the GF is worth around $5-10mill a year if not more. Any backflip has to see the NRL scrap the MOU and get market value for this major sporting event in Australia's calendar. It is probably one of the most lucrative from a sports tourism point of view as the number of fans who will travel for it is significant and arguably the biggest of any sports event in the country other than maybe Formula 1 for travelling fans and the revenue generation they can bring for a State.

What that means for RL in Sydney will also have to be considered. The game can ill afford to be less popular there

I had heard in the vicinity of $10mil qld and Vic have offered for the gf. And apparently it brings $50mil to the nsw economy.

I find it funny actually that the Nrl should be getting deja vu. The Nrl and clubs had issues with a MOU and now it’s between nsw gov and the Nrl.

 

[applesauce]

The government had been set yesterday to debate the proposed $700 million-$800m knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium in Sydney’s east, but the Premier pulled the cabinet item after lobbying from Mr Beattie.

Good to have a few politicians hanging around the ARLC...

But he had a brain fart with Gus Gould. #codeincrisis

 

[Stormwarrior82]

I see even the ARU have launched their national womens comp. f**k RL is slow off the blocks!

They had a 7’s comp they could pilfer from and the women’s rugby players aren’t getting a cent. Already one player I had read about had jumped ship to league. AR don’t have any money. If done right this year the Nrlw could crush rugby women’s with the right kind of funding and wages.

 

[OldPanther]

But he had a brain fart with Gus Gould. #codeincrisis

I don't care what he does or doesn't know about the game as long as he makes good decisions and doesn't let it be walked over by the politicians.

 

[Suitman]

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...m/news-story/7dd5c746d019d937031555b49842f1ee

Canterbury and Souths to lobby Luke Foley over ANZ Stadium

• The Australian
• 12:00AM March 17, 2018
• Brent Read
  
  

Canterbury and South Sydney are set to meet opposition leader Luke Foley next week as they attempt to secure some certainty around the future of ANZ Stadium.

Foley earlier this week ruled out knocking down Allianz and ANZ Stadiums, saying he was committed to doing modest refurbishments at the two venues should his party secure government at next year’s state election.

Those comments sent shockwaves through the NRL and its clubs, given Foley had previously spoken of his desire to see ANZ Stadium undergo redevelopment.

The Bulldogs and Rabbitohs are among the clubs who will suffer the most should ANZ Stadium go untouched, given both clubs are based at the ground on a permanent basis.

As such, they are ready to take their concerns to Foley, part of a wider vigil by Sydney clubs across the code to ensure Allianz and ANZ Stadiums get the redevelopment both venues desperately crave.

The NRL and its clubs have ramped up pressure over the past week and it is understood that is set to continue while the state government continues to delay an announcement on the future of Sydney’s stadiums.

Rabbitohs chief executive Blake Solly has already outlined plans to write to his members urging them to keep the pressure on the state government and the opposition to commit to the multi-billion dollar refurbishment of Sydney venues.

Former Australian Rugby League chief executive John Quayle, who was in charge of venues — among them ANZ Stadium — at the Sydney Olympics, has also urged the government to stay the course and update venues in the city.

ARL Commission chairman Peter Beattie has also been prolific on social media in recent days, part of a concerted bid to heap pressure on the government by reminding them that they put grand finals at risk by backtracking on their plan to redevelop ANZ Stadium.

As part of the memorandum of understating between the state government and the NRL, any deal on future grand final hinges on the government’s commitment to stadiums. The Queensland and Victorian governments are waiting in the wings, ready to swoop should the NSW government fail to honour its commitment.

Canterbury and Souths both have significant leverage given they supply a large amount of content to venues in the city.

 

[OldPanther]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...m/news-story/7dd5c746d019d937031555b49842f1ee

Canterbury and Souths to lobby Luke Foley over ANZ Stadium

• The Australian
• 12:00AM March 17, 2018
• Brent Read
  
  

Canterbury and South Sydney are set to meet opposition leader Luke Foley next week as they attempt to secure some certainty around the future of ANZ Stadium.

Foley earlier this week ruled out knocking down Allianz and ANZ Stadiums, saying he was committed to doing modest refurbishments at the two venues should his party secure government at next year’s state election.

Those comments sent shockwaves through the NRL and its clubs, given Foley had previously spoken of his desire to see ANZ Stadium undergo redevelopment.

The Bulldogs and Rabbitohs are among the clubs who will suffer the most should ANZ Stadium go untouched, given both clubs are based at the ground on a permanent basis.

As such, they are ready to take their concerns to Foley, part of a wider vigil by Sydney clubs across the code to ensure Allianz and ANZ Stadiums get the redevelopment both venues desperately crave.

The NRL and its clubs have ramped up pressure over the past week and it is understood that is set to continue while the state government continues to delay an announcement on the future of Sydney’s stadiums.

Rabbitohs chief executive Blake Solly has already outlined plans to write to his members urging them to keep the pressure on the state government and the opposition to commit to the multi-billion dollar refurbishment of Sydney venues.

Former Australian Rugby League chief executive John Quayle, who was in charge of venues — among them ANZ Stadium — at the Sydney Olympics, has also urged the government to stay the course and update venues in the city.

ARL Commission chairman Peter Beattie has also been prolific on social media in recent days, part of a concerted bid to heap pressure on the government by reminding them that they put grand finals at risk by backtracking on their plan to redevelop ANZ Stadium.

As part of the memorandum of understating between the state government and the NRL, any deal on future grand final hinges on the government’s commitment to stadiums. The Queensland and Victorian governments are waiting in the wings, ready to swoop should the NSW government fail to honour its commitment.

Canterbury and Souths both have significant leverage given they supply a large amount of content to venues in the city.

Sounds like rugby league is starting to put up a big fight. Wonder how much difference it'll make.

 

[El Diablo]

Voter revolt on stadiums poses threat to Premier

More than half of NSW voters oppose Gladys Berejiklian’s plan to spend $2.5 billion rebuilding two new Sydney sporting stadiums, according to exclusive polling which comes as government MPs grow increasingly nervous about the policy.

A ReachTEL poll commissioned by The Sydney Morning Herald shows that 58.9 per cent of voters polled oppose or strongly oppose the government’s decision to demolish and rebuild Allianz Stadium at Moore Park and ANZ at Homebush.

Only 25 per cent support or strongly support the plan and 15.8 per cent of voters are undecided.

The poll results are likely to cause further unrest within the Coalition ranks, as MPs worry that the stadiums plan will become politically damaging in the final 12 months before the election.

Next Friday - March 23 - marks one year until the state election.

One senior party source said: “It’s fair to say there is concern from MPs about the way the policy was explained to the public. We have to do better at selling it.”

The Premier and her sports minister, Stuart Ayres, have stood firm in their decision to push ahead with the plan, but a final cabinet decision is still weeks away as the government waits for business cases for both stadiums to be finalised.

It was expected that cabinet would approve the rebuild of Allianz as early as this week but it is now more likely that both stadiums will be considered at the same time, buying the government more time to convince voters - and MPs - of its merits.

More than half of those polled (53.8 per cent) also felt the government was spending too much on major sporting infrastructure while 37.2 per cent felt they were spending about the right amount.

The poll of 1521 NSW voters taken on Thursday night shows the Liberal/National coalition leading Labor by 52 per cent to 48 per cent on a two-party preferred basis. It hasn’t shifted since the previous ReachTEL poll in October.

The Coalition’s primary vote has increased after taking a dip and is now at 41.9 per cent, up from 37.6 per cent in October.

The Liberals’ primary vote increased to 34.4 per cent (up from 29.3) while the Nationals’ dropped to 7.6 from 8.3 per cent.

Labor’s primary vote is also up at 32.5 per cent compared with 31 per cent in October. The Greens are at 9.4 per cent and One Nation, which has formally registered to run candidates in March, is on 5.1 per cent.

Independents and others received 4.9 per cent support and 6.2 per cent of voters remained undecided.

One year out from the election, Ms Berejiklian remains steady as the preferred leader, with 52.3 per cent believing she would make a better premier than opposition leader Luke Foley (47.7 per cent). There was no change in preferred leader from the last poll.

Ms Berejiklian is more popular with males than females, while more females support Mr Foley than males, the poll results show.

But worryingly for Mr Foley and his MPs, 55.2 per cent of voters do not believe Labor is ready to be in government again.

A senior ALP strategist acknowledged that one of the stumbling blocks the party faces is the inexperience of the opposition frontbench.

“The L-plates criticism that we get is probably fair,” the strategist said.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...-poses-threat-to-premier-20180316-p4z4rq.html

 

[Stormwarrior82]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...m/news-story/7dd5c746d019d937031555b49842f1ee

Canterbury and Souths to lobby Luke Foley over ANZ Stadium

• The Australian
• 12:00AM March 17, 2018
• Brent Read
  
  

Canterbury and South Sydney are set to meet opposition leader Luke Foley next week as they attempt to secure some certainty around the future of ANZ Stadium.

Foley earlier this week ruled out knocking down Allianz and ANZ Stadiums, saying he was committed to doing modest refurbishments at the two venues should his party secure government at next year’s state election.

Those comments sent shockwaves through the NRL and its clubs, given Foley had previously spoken of his desire to see ANZ Stadium undergo redevelopment.

The Bulldogs and Rabbitohs are among the clubs who will suffer the most should ANZ Stadium go untouched, given both clubs are based at the ground on a permanent basis.

As such, they are ready to take their concerns to Foley, part of a wider vigil by Sydney clubs across the code to ensure Allianz and ANZ Stadiums get the redevelopment both venues desperately crave.

The NRL and its clubs have ramped up pressure over the past week and it is understood that is set to continue while the state government continues to delay an announcement on the future of Sydney’s stadiums.

Rabbitohs chief executive Blake Solly has already outlined plans to write to his members urging them to keep the pressure on the state government and the opposition to commit to the multi-billion dollar refurbishment of Sydney venues.

Former Australian Rugby League chief executive John Quayle, who was in charge of venues — among them ANZ Stadium — at the Sydney Olympics, has also urged the government to stay the course and update venues in the city.

ARL Commission chairman Peter Beattie has also been prolific on social media in recent days, part of a concerted bid to heap pressure on the government by reminding them that they put grand finals at risk by backtracking on their plan to redevelop ANZ Stadium.

As part of the memorandum of understating between the state government and the NRL, any deal on future grand final hinges on the government’s commitment to stadiums. The Queensland and Victorian governments are waiting in the wings, ready to swoop should the NSW government fail to honour its commitment.

Canterbury and Souths both have significant leverage given they supply a large amount of content to venues in the city.

Seems like a concerted push for Anz over Allianz which is good to see. No roosters involvement to push for Allianz.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Voter revolt on stadiums poses threat to Premier

More than half of NSW voters oppose Gladys Berejiklian’s plan to spend $2.5 billion rebuilding two new Sydney sporting stadiums, according to exclusive polling which comes as government MPs grow increasingly nervous about the policy.

A ReachTEL poll commissioned by The Sydney Morning Herald shows that 58.9 per cent of voters polled oppose or strongly oppose the government’s decision to demolish and rebuild Allianz Stadium at Moore Park and ANZ at Homebush.

Only 25 per cent support or strongly support the plan and 15.8 per cent of voters are undecided.

The poll results are likely to cause further unrest within the Coalition ranks, as MPs worry that the stadiums plan will become politically damaging in the final 12 months before the election.

Next Friday - March 23 - marks one year until the state election.

One senior party source said: “It’s fair to say there is concern from MPs about the way the policy was explained to the public. We have to do better at selling it.”

The Premier and her sports minister, Stuart Ayres, have stood firm in their decision to push ahead with the plan, but a final cabinet decision is still weeks away as the government waits for business cases for both stadiums to be finalised.

It was expected that cabinet would approve the rebuild of Allianz as early as this week but it is now more likely that both stadiums will be considered at the same time, buying the government more time to convince voters - and MPs - of its merits.

More than half of those polled (53.8 per cent) also felt the government was spending too much on major sporting infrastructure while 37.2 per cent felt they were spending about the right amount.

The poll of 1521 NSW voters taken on Thursday night shows the Liberal/National coalition leading Labor by 52 per cent to 48 per cent on a two-party preferred basis. It hasn’t shifted since the previous ReachTEL poll in October.

The Coalition’s primary vote has increased after taking a dip and is now at 41.9 per cent, up from 37.6 per cent in October.

The Liberals’ primary vote increased to 34.4 per cent (up from 29.3) while the Nationals’ dropped to 7.6 from 8.3 per cent.

Labor’s primary vote is also up at 32.5 per cent compared with 31 per cent in October. The Greens are at 9.4 per cent and One Nation, which has formally registered to run candidates in March, is on 5.1 per cent.

Independents and others received 4.9 per cent support and 6.2 per cent of voters remained undecided.

One year out from the election, Ms Berejiklian remains steady as the preferred leader, with 52.3 per cent believing she would make a better premier than opposition leader Luke Foley (47.7 per cent). There was no change in preferred leader from the last poll.

Ms Berejiklian is more popular with males than females, while more females support Mr Foley than males, the poll results show.

But worryingly for Mr Foley and his MPs, 55.2 per cent of voters do not believe Labor is ready to be in government again.

A senior ALP strategist acknowledged that one of the stumbling blocks the party faces is the inexperience of the opposition frontbench.

“The L-plates criticism that we get is probably fair,” the strategist said.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...-poses-threat-to-premier-20180316-p4z4rq.html

So the current stadium issues haven’t really had much of an impact on the current nsw gov. Hmmm... I guess the issue isn’t as bad as the media is portraying?