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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

titoelcolombiano

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Is there really any chance of Brisbane losing an Ashes test though?

Probably not, as long as the Gabba remains a top five venue. I think it is more the pecking order - cricket wants the best stadia in all states so they are challenging the QLD Govt to make the Gabba the third best ground in the country in the third biggest city.
 

axl rose

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The Gabba is fine. Perfect size for the Heats big crowds and multi-coloured seats to cover up Fitzroys crowds of 5,000 odd on television.
 

Perth Red

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I was thinking this the other day. Whilst $110k is very steep, the Titans average around 11k, if they are all paying on average $20 for a ticket that is $220k in gross revenue.

The Titans aren't moving from CBUS they are simply putting the pressure on the QLD government to reduce the rent and good on them - their contract is up at the end of April so the timing is no co-incidence. It seems to have worked because the premier reacted saying that there would be a shake up of Stadiums QLD yesterday - I don't know exactly what that means yet though.

The main point being made on talk-back radio here at the moment is that the Titans are paying $110k and the teams in the same comp in Sydney are getting paid $100k to play at ANZ which causes a disparity.

I'm sure the final outcome will be the Titans signing a new agreement to play at CBUS at a much cheaper rental rate.

I wonder if its not just rent but the actual "deal" as well in terms of gate takings, food and beverage sales and advertising around the ground. Everyone wants to pay less rent! NIB is around $100k a game rent I believe so its not exorbitant what they are charging. Maybe a sliding scale contract depending on attendance might work better for the clubs? Professional sports clubs aren't charities to be paid for by the tax payer at the end of the day.

I still cant figure out how ANZ can pay clubs to play there and make any money out of it?
 

BlueandGold

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It’s called leverage.

If they can pick a couple of venues that can host 10k at minimal rental, then they’re going to make more money whilst also not annoying their corporate support too much.

And importantly Stadiums Queensland lose $220k

Exactly.

All codes complaining about costs of rental in Queensland sort of fly's in the face of Perth Reds spin.

Somehow Perth red thinks its not unreasonable. :rolleyes:
 

Perth Red

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Exactly.

All codes complaining about costs of rental in Queensland sort of fly's in the face of Perth Reds spin.

Somehow Perth red thinks its not unreasonable. :rolleyes:

See above, I don't know if its unreasonable or not, but I do know there are very few tenants in any sphere of life that are happy with the amount of rent they pay lol.
 

titoelcolombiano

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I wonder if its not just rent but the actual "deal" as well in terms of gate takings, food and beverage sales and advertising around the ground. Everyone wants to pay less rent! NIB is around $100k a game rent I believe so its not exorbitant what they are charging. Maybe a sliding scale contract depending on attendance might work better for the clubs? Professional sports clubs aren't charities to be paid for by the tax payer at the end of the day.

I still cant figure out how ANZ can pay clubs to play there and make any money out of it?

I think you're right it must be the deal. I was listening to sports radio yesterday and David Morrow (I think it was) was saying that the Titans pay $110 and then have to re-coup that money on game day through ticket sales, food, beverage and merchandise sales - so it sounds like $110k rent guaranteed goes to Stadiums QLD and the Titans get to keep the game day revenue from all avenues.

I don't understand the ANZ deals either. I assume it is the opposite. We'll pay you to play here but we keep all food and beverage revenue plus a significant % of tickets sales.
 

jim_57

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Unless there is an ironclad agreement for a second Brisbane NRL team I doubt that will be happening.

Pretty much, even then you'd hope most games would be at Suncorp. Would probably need help from the A-League and Union taking a few games there.

Other than that upgrades to peak capabilities of Suncorp and the Gabba in their current locations would be good. As beave said space constraints are going to limit what you can do.
 

El Diablo

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Exactly.

All codes complaining about costs of rental in Queensland sort of fly's in the face of Perth Reds spin.

Somehow Perth red thinks its not unreasonable. :rolleyes:
Perth Dickhead should be made the CEO of every Queensland sporting club as only he can solve their rental problems no matter how much they cost
 

El Diablo

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https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.a...s/news-story/3a663e438a05677f7ffea15df3f20593

Gold Coast could have a 5000-seat boutique sports stadium within 18 months

Gold Coast Bulletin
April 19, 2018 12:05am

THE Gold Coast could have a multi-sport boutique stadium within 18 months under a Sports Gold Coast plan to breathe life into the city’s arenas.

SGC chairman Geoff Smith believes the concept is a must for the Coast’s sports scene, with talks well underway to get the wheels in motion.

The venue could house various teams such as NPL Queensland club Gold Coast United, who are looking for advanced facilities as they push for an A-League return. United are currently sharing a Robina field with league side the Raptors.

A 5000-seat facility, Smith said, would offer grassroots sports a quality venue option without the breakeven costs associated with an elite stadium.

FLOW-ON EFFECT

Smith believes the model could help fill Cbus Super Stadium and Metricon Stadium.

“The argument at the moment, is council and state government saying we have built all this infrastructure for the Commonwealth Games; our answer to that is that’s great but that’s all high end,” he said.

“You have got to build it from the ground upwards.

“They have got to build it slowly. The only way to do that is you have got to really support the grassroots clubs by providing the facilities which encourages families and players to come together and build up that tribal thing and then you move up to the next level.

“In many ways, this is the answer to filling Cbus Super Stadium and making it work.

“You have got to make it affordable for families to go to see games and get into the habit of doing it.”

THE COST

Smith assured the project could be done within a reasonable budget.

“We’re not talking hundreds of millions. We’re probably talking less than 10 million, probably around five or six to start it off,” he said.

What’s more is he and SGC are not counting on government funding to get the stadium off the ground.

“Our position is that we’re not asking council to build a stadium, we’re not asking state government to build a stadium, we just want land allocated so we can have a private enterprise, along with potential members and sponsors, build something and stage it up,” he said.

WHAT’S NEXT

“We have just got to get everyone in a room and crystallise where we’re going,” Smith said.

“We don’t have to spend $200,000 or whatever it costs to get an independent feasibility study. You get people on the Gold Coast who have actually lived and breathed and put up with this problem.

“We’re talking about making a decision on this within six months. Like Sports Gold Coast will be able to say this is where we think you should build it, this is the cost, this is the model.

“Conceivably we could have a 5000-seat stadium here within 18 months to two years.”

POSSIBLE SITES

Various figureheads have proposed a range of possible locations, with training fields nearby Cbus and Metricon among them.

Other sites floated include Emerald Lakes, Goodwin Park in Coolangatta and Coplick Family Sports Park in Tallebudgera.

Smith said the early general consensus was for a central site with an eventual plan of having a boutique stadium at each of northern, central and southern Gold Coast.

“The vision is to get one stadium up and prove the model,” he said.

WHAT IT’S ABOUT

Purpose: To provide an affordable, mid-level capacity option for multiple sporting codes

Cost: Less than $10 million

Timeframe: Decision could be made within 3-6 months, stadium could be erected within 18-24 months

Possible sites: Robina, Carrara, Emerald Lakes, Coolangatta, Tallebudgera

Possible users: NPL Queensland, NRL trials, Intrust Super Cup, National Rugby Championship, local finals
 

El Diablo

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...y/news-story/1f9997341eb2bfbc4a5732627781aaeb

Sports Minister Mick de Brenni says struggling Gold Coast teams ‘responsible for their own destiny’

Trenton Akers, The Courier-Mail
April 19, 2018 12:00am

SPORTS Minister Mick de Brenni has urged struggling Gold Coast football teams to worry more about winning on the field, and less about State Government fees.

In a thinly veiled swipe at the Gold Coast Suns and Titans, Mr de Brenni stridently defended Stadiums Queensland, saying the body works “extremely hard to ensure their (clubs) ongoing success”.

The comment followed revelations by The Courier-Mail that the clubs were on the verge of walking out on their deals with the venue manager.

Analysis by The Courier Mail reveals each of the 250,000 ticketed seats under the control of Stadiums Queensland throughout their nine venues was used only 16 times on average last year across 174 major events.

“Ultimately each club is responsible for their own destiny. It is up to the clubs to develop a strong following through marketing … and on-field performances,” Mr de Brenni said.

“Clubs with a winning formula can make a strong profit utilising our stadiums.”

Clubs are fed up with hiring costs of Queensland venues, saying they are far more expensive than interstate.

Different from other states however, Queensland charges only an upfront cost to venue hirers, allowing them to take most of their ticket, corporate, food, drink and advertising sign revenue.

Both the Suns and Titans have battled declining crowd numbers – averaging just over 13,000 fans per home game last year and with neither team finishing above eighth in the past three years.

Mr de Brenni, who said he had tried to reach out to the teams in the past 12 months, said the State Government put more than $50 million into Stadiums Queensland last year alone, saving venue hirers from significant costs.

“Stadiums Queensland operates at a deficit,” he said, pointing to the organisation’s $28 million loss last financial year.

“That investment includes a substantial operating subsidy each year, which is a significant offset to the costs that would otherwise be met by hirers or spectators.”

It is understood Stadiums Queensland will soon undergo a review with a direction to make the nine stadiums under its control more commercial in nature going forward.

The Government has also been put under increasing pressure with a $44 million wish list from major Queensland clubs amounting to two-thirds of the annual Sports and Recreation budget, which is spent predominantly on children’s and grassroots sports statewide.

Proposals for upgrades to Ballymore and Allan Border Field are before the State Government, while clubs have announced they are “supportive” of a new AFL facility in Springfield for the Brisbane Lions.

Concerns have also been raised about the ageing state of the Gabba after Cricket Australia stripped a premier Test Match from the venue.
 

Timbo

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Does the QRU own Ballymore?

I know it’s dated, but in terms of a stadium in SE Qld where the Titans could take a few games to give it to Stadiums Qld, it could be a go.
 

Timbo

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Banc of California stadium just opened, wouldn’t be a bad place for an NRL game.

They built this in 18 months too.


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If we were going to rip off another stadium, my favourite would be Mosaic Stadium in Regina, Saskatchewan:

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34,000 seats - $278 million.
 
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Does the QRU own Ballymore?

I know it’s dated, but in terms of a stadium in SE Qld where the Titans could take a few games to give it to Stadiums Qld, it could be a go.

It does not own Ballymore per se. It has control of it due to a deed of grant in trust from the Qld Government in 1973.
 

Timbo

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It does not own Ballymore per se. It has control of it due to a deed of grant in trust from the Qld Government in 1973.

Be interesting to see if an un-holy alliance of Brisbane2, a second Brisbane A-League side and the QRU could get it over the line for an upgrade - I think it's capped at 18,000 right now due to the age of the western stand, but the rest of the ground isn't too bad.

I seem to recall one of the issues the Reds used to have was access - I'm just looking at GoogleMaps (I know nothing of Brisbane's geography) and it's sandwiched up against Breakfast Creek in a suburban area, striking me as a bit like Leichardt in regards to access issues. However Wilston railway station is only about 100 metres past the creek - I wonder if a new western stand coupled with a high-capacity footbridge over the creek could make it a viable second option? Especially if the QRU turned in the rights to the trust?
 
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