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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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When you’re getting 17k people paying $35 a ticket, and all your Corp. boxes filled, $110k rent isn’t a problem.

They avaerged 13600 last year

And we don’t really know what the average ticket price would be.

Q’land tax payers paid $160mill to build them a stadium, don’t think its unreasonable to get some of it back as long as it is sustainable for Titans, andif they get back to where they were it would be.

Given their financial problems there’s a good chance it isn’t sustainable. Obviously not the only issue but it doesn’t help.
 
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Yeh that 5k crowd and the corporates in the cow sheds must have fricking raked it in! To suggest they should take more games to small regional venues and away from their corporate supporter base is stupidity.

It’s called leverage.

If they can pick a couple of venues that can host 10k at minimal rental, then they’re going to make more money whilst also not annoying their corporate support too much.

And importantly Stadiums Queensland lose $220k
 

El Diablo

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...s/news-story/7d612537a492b7d6f13cee8dd12cfc9c

Gold Coast Suns admit they will not survive unless Stadium Queensland reduces fees

Peter Badel and Andrew Hamilton, The Courier-Mail
April 17, 2018 9:00pm

AFL’s embattled Gold Coast Suns have admitted they will not survive unless the Queensland government slashes the exorbitant stadium fees that are crippling the state’s biggest sporting clubs.

The Suns’ stunning admission comes as the LNP launched an attack on Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk, claiming fans were being ripped off and labelling Labor’s treatment of AFL, NRL, A-League and rugby clubs as a “debacle”.

As revealed by The Courier-Mail, the Gold Coast Titans are weighing-up their long-term tenancy at Robina due to Stadiums Queensland hiring fees which soared to $1.3 million last year.

The shockwaves have been felt by the Titans’ major competitor on the Gold Coast, with Suns chairman Tony Cochrane conceding for the first time that the cost of playing at Metricon Stadium could bankrupt the club.

A Sunday Mail and The Courier-Mail investigation revealed the Suns’ perilous financial position and Cochrane fears expensive SQ hiring fees could drive the final nail into the club’s coffin.

“Certainly we as a club take our responsibility to the community seriously and these (stadium) costs are a massive burden to our club which are not sustainable,” Cochrane said.

“The Gold Coast Suns welcomes the Premier’s initiative to find real solutions to this ongoing issue which is the heart of problems facing professional sport in Queensland.

“We are very pleased to hear the Premier announce a major shake-up of the SQ Board.”

The Courier-Mail can reveal Queensland attendances across the major football codes last year was 3.99 million.

In the LNP’s last full year in power in 2013-14, that figure was 4.46 million.

It means almost half-a-million fans have collectively deserted Queensland sporting outfits the Broncos, Titans, Cowboys, Lions, Suns, Reds and Roar in the past five years.

The clubs are particularly concerned at the rising cost of ticket prices because of the Queensland Government imposing a ticketing levy for game-day public transport services.

Incredibly, Suns research shows almost 50 per cent of their supporters are paying a levy on a government public-transport service they don’t use.

LNP Leader Deb Frecklington fired a broadside at the Premier and Stadiums Queensland.

“The Premier and her Ministers are trying to dodge the blame for this debacle. Who are they kidding?” she said.

“What on Earth has the Sports Minister been discussing with Stadiums Queensland if not this (the hiring-fees issue)?

“The buck stops with Annastacia Palaszczuk and her Ministers.

“Queensland fans are paying more for tickets and clubs are being bled dry because of this Government’s negligence.

“Our stadiums are not fan-friendly and we are falling behind the other states.

“Annastacia Palaszczuk needs to ensure these stadiums are run more efficiently or we risk losing our major teams and more major sporting fixtures.”

Palaszczuk on Monday vowed heads would roll on the Stadiums Queensland board.

“We’re going to be having a really good look at that issue,’’ Palaszczuk she said.

“I’ve been discussing that with Mick de Brenni and Kate Jones ... there will be a shake-up of the (SQ) board, that’s step No.1.

“And step No.2, we will be doing a thorough review, because what we have seen is that the Queensland public want to come out and support our sports in this state.’’
 

titoelcolombiano

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When you’re getting 17k people paying $35 a ticket, and all your Corp. boxes filled, $110k rent isn’t a problem.
Q’land tax payers paid $160mill to build them a stadium, don’t think its unreasonable to get some of it back as long as it is sustainable for Titans, andif they get back to where they were it would be.

I was thinking this the other day. Whilst $110k is very steep, the Titans average around 11k, if they are all paying on average $20 for a ticket that is $220k in gross revenue.

The Titans aren't moving from CBUS they are simply putting the pressure on the QLD government to reduce the rent and good on them - their contract is up at the end of April so the timing is no co-incidence. It seems to have worked because the premier reacted saying that there would be a shake up of Stadiums QLD yesterday - I don't know exactly what that means yet though.

The main point being made on talk-back radio here at the moment is that the Titans are paying $110k and the teams in the same comp in Sydney are getting paid $100k to play at ANZ which causes a disparity.

I'm sure the final outcome will be the Titans signing a new agreement to play at CBUS at a much cheaper rental rate.
 

Timbo

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This level of discontent just doesn't seem to exist in other states.

What are Stadiums Queensland thinking here? The Queensland Government spent a fortune on the two Gold Coast stadiums - how does it benefit anyone if they can't afford to play out of them or - worse - go broke? This has been going since the Gold Coast A-League club used to only open 2,000 seats per game because of how ridiculous the cost was.

If it got down to it, both codes have areas outside of Queensland screaming for a full-time club. The Titans could make a go of Perth, Gosford or Wellington, and the Suns could look at Canberra or Hobart. Why would you make it so your only tenant - and indeed, only possible tenant - is so unhappy they're considering upping sticks?

It just seems to be a really odd move given there's a $300 million dollar investment in infrastructure here.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Cricket Australia is putting pressure on the QLD Govt to upgrade the Gabba as they are claiming it to be the 5th best test venue in the country now and are hinting at it moving down the pecking order in terms of big tests if renovations aren't carried out. This will benefit AFL too unfortunately. Although, the Fitzroy Lions only use about 10k of the seats at the Gabba lately so maybe they could move permanently to a state league ground or something.
 

Timbo

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Cricket Australia is putting pressure on the QLD Govt to upgrade the Gabba as they are claiming it to be the 5th best test venue in the country now and are hinting at it moving down the pecking order in terms of big tests if renovations aren't carried out. This will benefit AFL too unfortunately. Although, the Fitzroy Lions only use about 10k of the seats at the Gabba lately so maybe they could move permanently to a state league ground or something.

To be fair, it now is the 5th best ground with upgrades to Perth and Adelaide.

But it's still light years ahead of grounds 6 and 7 in Canberra and Hobart.

The issue for the Gabba cricket wise is that it's a big ground at 37,500, but there are four big grounds in front of it in the SCG/MCG/AO/PS. So for series that will in a million years not attract a big crowd - like Sri Lanka next summer - grounds like Canberra which only hold 11,500 start to look a bit more appealing, whilst the four high-draw matches vs. India will likely go to the four newer stadiums.

It's stuck in a middle spot - and it must be very frustrating for the QCA, because in any other country in the world it'd arguably be the premier cricket venue.
 

titoelcolombiano

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To be fair, it now is the 5th best ground with upgrades to Perth and Adelaide.

But it's still light years ahead of grounds 6 and 7 in Canberra and Hobart.

The issue for the Gabba cricket wise is that it's a big ground at 37,500, but there are four big grounds in front of it in the SCG/MCG/AO/PS. So for series that will in a million years not attract a big crowd - like Sri Lanka next summer - grounds like Canberra which only hold 11,500 start to look a bit more appealing, whilst the four high-draw matches vs. India will likely go to the four newer stadiums.

It's stuck in a middle spot - and it must be very frustrating for the QCA, because in any other country in the world it'd arguably be the premier cricket venue.

Yes agreed on the Gabba and its current situation. I like my cricket but I don't want AFL piggybacking off their stadia upgrades, be it the Gabba or GWS getting ground upgrades because of the Sydney Thunder BBL team.

I don't understand for the sake of suitable Stadia why FFA and the NRL work together. Football has a national footprint to get rectangular stadia built and the NRL has higher drawing NRL games and events like Origin, Magic Weekend and 9's to use as a carrot to upgrade them when required. It is exactly the way cricket and AFL work together. Cricket had the national footprint and had grounds like the Gabba and the SCG built AFL comes in with the cash and puts the weights on to get the grounds upgraded.
 

Last Week

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Cricket Australia is putting pressure on the QLD Govt to upgrade the Gabba as they are claiming it to be the 5th best test venue in the country now and are hinting at it moving down the pecking order in terms of big tests if renovations aren't carried out. This will benefit AFL too unfortunately. Although, the Fitzroy Lions only use about 10k of the seats at the Gabba lately so maybe they could move permanently to a state league ground or something.

Is there really any chance of Brisbane losing an Ashes test though?
 
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Yes agreed on the Gabba and its current situation. I like my cricket but I don't want AFL piggybacking off their stadia upgrades, be it the Gabba or GWS getting ground upgrades because of the Sydney Thunder BBL team.

I don't understand for the sake of suitable Stadia why FFA and the NRL work together. Football has a national footprint to get rectangular stadia built and the NRL has higher drawing NRL games and events like Origin, Magic Weekend and 9's to use as a carrot to upgrade them when required. It is exactly the way cricket and AFL work together. Cricket had the national footprint and had grounds like the Gabba and the SCG built AFL comes in with the cash and puts the weights on to get the grounds upgraded.

Cricket is mostly talking amenities and such I think. They’re more important for a 5 day match than a 3 hour footy game.

Viewing angles from the Gabba have to be pretty good? Doubt the upgrades help AFL much.

Would like to see the god awful seat colours changed though.
 

magpie_man

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If the 'Gabba gets a decent upgrade it'll push the SCG down to the ignominious #5 cricket stadium. There's no chance of the SCG ever losing the New Year's Test however.
They (the QCA & Qld Government) would realistically have to do upgrades to the level of jumping Adelaide Oval and possibly the Perth Stadium to rise up the pecking order.
 

LineBall

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If the 'Gabba gets a decent upgrade it'll push the SCG down to the ignominious #5 cricket stadium. There's no chance of the SCG ever losing the New Year's Test however.
They (the QCA & Qld Government) would realistically have to do upgrades to the level of jumping Adelaide Oval and possibly the Perth Stadium to rise up the pecking order.

As a spectator for cricket, the Gabba seems fine. Maybe the players' facilities need an update?

I can't see how viewing the game would be significantly better at Adelaide or Perth compared to the GABBA. Certainly not enough of an improvement to justify a complete revamp.
 

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No, there's no chance of the Gabba losing an Ashes test unless there are massive upgrades to either Bellerieve in Hobart or Manuka in Canberra - both of which are virtually impossible in the space the ground is on or for a financial perspective.

The real issue for the Gabba and the QCA is outside of Ashes summers, they take an absolute bath because they almost always get the opening test of the summer which is pre-school holidays, and usually against the 'lesser' of the two touring nations. So whilst Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney usually get India or Pakistan, the Gabba normally cops Sri Lanka or the West Indies. And the schoolkids can't even nag their parents into going.

They tried to change things up a few years ago by becoming the venue for the second day-night test of the summer, which helped a bit - but apparently this upcoming summer the two day/night tests are to be in Adelaide and Canberra (which will be hosting its maiden test). So they can't even count on that, really.
 

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If the 'Gabba gets a decent upgrade it'll push the SCG down to the ignominious #5 cricket stadium. There's no chance of the SCG ever losing the New Year's Test however.
They (the QCA & Qld Government) would realistically have to do upgrades to the level of jumping Adelaide Oval and possibly the Perth Stadium to rise up the pecking order.

I just don't see how the Queensland Government ever justifies a major upgrade to the Gabba. How often will it get anywhere near capacity in its current form? And like you said it would take a monumental upgrade to overtake the Adelaide Oval or take events from the SCG.

A big refurb might happen but the difference between Brisbane and Adelaide/Perth is there are successful AFL teams playing in Adelaide/Perth week in week out which makes it a lot easier for those state governments to justify those upgrades.
Edit: Totally forgot about BBL & Brisbane Heat who may admittedly help the Gabba's cause.

Hopefully the next major stadium investment in QLD is a mid-sized rectangular stadium in the greater Brisbane region.
 
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I just don't see how the Queensland Government ever justifies a major upgrade to the Gabba. How often will it get anywhere near capacity in its current form? And like you said it would take a monumental upgrade to overtake the Adelaide Oval or take events from the SCG.

A big refurb might happen but the difference between Brisbane and Adelaide/Perth is there are successful AFL teams playing in Adelaide/Perth week in week out which makes it a lot easier for those state governments to justify those upgrades.
Edit: Totally forgot about BBL & Brisbane Heat who may admittedly help the Gabba's cause.

Hopefully the next major stadium investment in QLD is a mid-sized rectangular stadium in the greater Brisbane region.

BBL is expanding too. Full home and away season will see cricket be the major tenants at the Gabba & the SCG.
 

beave

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I dont know what else you could honestly do to thr Gabba without tearing it down completley. The problem is there’s a signifigant building to the north west the one of the stands almost touches, and the north and southern stands over hang Stanley and Vulture St’s.


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If you wanted to rebuild it, i don’t know how you could make it any bigger tbh. A bit of a tart up here and there is about all you could do to it imo.
 

Timbo

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I just don't see how the Queensland Government ever justifies a major upgrade to the Gabba. How often will it get anywhere near capacity in its current form? And like you said it would take a monumental upgrade to overtake the Adelaide Oval or take events from the SCG.

A big refurb might happen but the difference between Brisbane and Adelaide/Perth is there are successful AFL teams playing in Adelaide/Perth week in week out which makes it a lot easier for those state governments to justify those upgrades.
Edit: Totally forgot about BBL & Brisbane Heat who may admittedly help the Gabba's cause.

Hopefully the next major stadium investment in QLD is a mid-sized rectangular stadium in the greater Brisbane region.

Unless there is an ironclad agreement for a second Brisbane NRL team I doubt that will be happening.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Cricket is mostly talking amenities and such I think. They’re more important for a 5 day match than a 3 hour footy game.

Viewing angles from the Gabba have to be pretty good? Doubt the upgrades help AFL much.

Would like to see the god awful seat colours changed though.

Multi-coloured seats help the AFL crowd look bigger than it is - lol
 

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