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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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A new stadium with a roof in Civic could have the flexibility to host AFL and international cricket as part of an evolving plan to transform the city centre with a sports venue, convention centre and hotel.

Canberra Airport chief executive Stephen Byron has backed the vision to reinvigorate the city landscape to help sell the capital to domestic and international travellers.

Canberra Stadium is one of the oldest venues in the NRL and Super Rugby.

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It's understood a Canberra businessman is keen to help fast-track a delayed plan to build a stadium in Civic as part of a wider redevelopment of the precinct.

ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr says a stadium, a convention centre and a hotel are part of a long-term vision to build new infrastructure in Civic "over the next 10 to 15 years".

But it is believed there is a renewed push to help put an integrated precinct back on the radar within the next 10 years as the ACT Brumbies and Canberra Raiders struggle to attract fans to an ageing stadium at Bruce.

The idea would need to go through planning and development authority levels before it reaches the government and be subject to an expression of interest and tender process. But it is already gathering support from influential Canberrans.



The government's preference is for a rectangle stadium with a roof to be built on the site of the Civic pool as a new home for the Brumbies, Raiders and any future A-League fixtures, while cricket and AFL would be played at Manuka Oval.

But a 20,000-25,000-seat 'super stadium' capable moving stands to accommodate all of the football codes and cricket, as well as concerts, conferences and the booming E-sports business, is one of the options being proposed.

A Canberra bid for a Big Bash licence formed last year and is keen to join Cricket Australia's Twenty20 competition, while the GWS Giants player three AFL fixtures per season in the capital.

The cost of the project and a dilemma over shifting Parkes Way has been a major stumbling block for the government, which is still footing the bill for the Mr Fluffy loose-fill asbestos clean up.

The multi-purpose stadium plan would include building over the top of Parkes Way to avoid having to move a major road, which would also give the government a chance to connect the city to Lake Burley Griffin.

"If you have a thriving convention centre or stadium, it says more about the brand of a city and where a city is going, that it's alive and growing."

Canberra Stadium is owned by the Australian Sports Commission - a federal government agency. The ACT government pays $350,000 per year to rent the facility.

The commission is considering downsizing its land footprint in Bruce as part of a National Sport Plan, due to be published in the coming months, and could include selling its major assets.

The government is keen to buy Canberra Stadium and the AIS Arena, while the chance to buy one of the two pools at the AIS could also be an option.


That would give the government the ability to maintain the venues until any Civic plans are finalised and then sell the land at Bruce to a developer for either houses or apartments.

"In a large part it does fall to government to fund these sorts of big community assets. They are traditionally funded either through borrowing or asset sales," Mr Barr said on 2CC last week.

"All of Canberra's infrastructure in its history has been funded through asset sales, and those asset sales have been progressively selling off the land."
 

GAZF

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The cost of the project and a dilemma over shifting Parkes Way has been a major stumbling block for the government, which is still footing the bill for the Mr Fluffy loose-fill asbestos clean up.

The multi-purpose stadium plan would include building over the top of Parkes Way to avoid having to move a major road, which would also give the government a chance to connect the city to Lake Burley Griffin.

That'd be right, dig in heels over moving Parkes Way for a rectangular stadium but move heaven and (literally) earth to make it round and shit for rectangular codes.

It says the government's preference is for a rectangular stadium. But I wouldn't put it past Barr to say one thing and secretly back parties supporting the opposite, particularly with regards to AFL and its Trojan horse (cricket).

Having said that, the only real new info to come out of the article is that there's an alternate plan coming from the private sector. Everything else is old news.
 

t-ba

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But the GWS need to play in front of three men and a dog a couple of times a year so as to collect a few million from a shitty government!
 

Stormwarrior82

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I feel it’s just some afl nuffie that is putting this out there to gauge the push back. And raiders, brumbies should bite back hard. Both clubs/codes need to make statements publicly, as do the Nrl/Ar CEOs.

And for god sake someone call the gws on there 3 games a year in Canberra crap.
 

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Given the amount of money spent upgrading Manuka in recent times - for a handful of Giants games and the odd cricket match - I find it bizarre that there's still this oval 'super stadium' nonsense floating around. The only thing I can think is that it's still that twit Barr pushing an agenda.

There A-League bid seems to have fizzled a bit, and unfortunately the Brumbies are at their lowest point in the last two decades. The ACT Government has made it clear that this needs to be a multi-tenant stadium to be considered.

Unfortunately, it's hard to see it happening. They'll likely just find some money to upgrade Bruce. Whilst we do have one of the older stadiums in the league, it suffers from really being in not that bad of condition - it's 25,000 all-seats. It's hard for the NRL to draw a line in the sand and threaten the ACT Government over its condition in a world that contains Brookvale and Leichhardt.
 

Timbo

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Meanwhile:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...-host-commonwealth-games-20180519-p4zg92.html

So the same moron that says we can't afford to rebuilt two stadiums, is pushing for half of the city (!?) to host that famed money-sink, The Commonwealth Games.

f**k me this guy is a tool. The sooner the ALP gets the shit kicked out of them at the next state election and is actually forced to pick a real opposition leader, the better.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Meanwhile:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...-host-commonwealth-games-20180519-p4zg92.html

So the same moron that says we can't afford to rebuilt two stadiums, is pushing for half of the city (!?) to host that famed money-sink, The Commonwealth Games.

f**k me this guy is a tool. The sooner the ALP gets the shit kicked out of them at the next state election and is actually forced to pick a real opposition leader, the better.

What a moron! Can half a city even host the games? I guess the Com Games will take whatever bids they can get but FMD!
 

The Great Dane

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LOL, I don't know why anybody is surprised by the Canberra news, the whole reason that the project has completely stalled as long as it has is cause Barr has been trying to force through a multi-purpose stadium, and knows that all he has to do is wait and eventually others will come around to the idea simply cause they'll figure that something is better than nothing...

The NRL and ARU have consistently failed to support the Raiders and Brumbies in lobbing for the new stadium, and I see no reason why that will change, we're out of sight and out of mind and we aren't a squeaky wheel either, and the FFA simply don't care, if anything under Gallop they just wish that Canberra would cease to exist, so the Raiders and Brumbies are on their own and realistically they are f##ked cause Labour is corrupt and even if they could influence an election to get them out of power (which is about a billion to one chance) the Liberals plans for stadiums are basically just as bad in different ways, as they plan to continuously put more and more band-aids on Bruce forever more...

Realistically the only way out of this situation is to build our own stadium, the Raiders have the land, they have the money, all they need is a good developer, support from the NRL, and government approval (which might be tricky). It won't be easy, there'll be a lot of belt tightening and frankly a lot of risk, but unless they want to be completely reliant on a corrupt government and used as a tool to undermine their own business this is the only way out.

Beside If the Raiders pull it off and build their own stadium they get the added bonuses of being able to charge their competition to use it, and they'll completely screw Barrs plans for his new "multipurpose" stadium for his AFL friends, cause we'd take his two main tenants away from the stadium which would mean that the stadium wouldn't be viable anymore by his own standards that he has been spouting for years as a delay tactic.
 
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LOL, I don't know why anybody is surprised by the Canberra news, the whole reason that the project has completely stalled as long as it has is cause Barr has been trying to force through a multi-purpose stadium, and knows that all he has to do is wait and eventually others will come around to the idea simply cause they'll figure that something is better than nothing...

The NRL and ARU have consistently failed to support the Raiders and Brumbies in lobbing for the new stadium, and I see no reason why that will change, we're out of sight and out of mind and we aren't a squeaky wheel either, and the FFA simply don't care, if anything under Gallop they just wish that Canberra would cease to exist, so the Raiders and Brumbies are on their own and realistically they are f##ked cause Labour is corrupt and even if they could influence an election to get them out of power (which is about a billion to one chance) the Liberals plans for stadiums are basically just as bad in different ways, as they plan to continuously put more and more band-aids on Bruce forever more...

Realistically the only way out of this situation is to build our own stadium, the Raiders have the land, they have the money, all they need is a good developer, support from the NRL, and government approval (which might be tricky). It won't be easy, there'll be a lot of belt tightening and frankly a lot of risk, but unless they want to be completely reliant on a corrupt government and used as a tool to undermine their own business this is the only way out.

Beside If the Raiders pull it off and build their own stadium they get the added bonuses of being able to charge their competition to use it, and they'll completely screw Barrs plans for his new "multipurpose" stadium for his AFL friends, cause we'd take his two main tenants away from the stadium which would mean that the stadium wouldn't be viable anymore by his own standards that he has been spouting for years as a delay tactic.

The money?
 

The Great Dane

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Given the amount of money spent upgrading Manuka in recent times - for a handful of Giants games and the odd cricket match - I find it bizarre that there's still this oval 'super stadium' nonsense floating around. The only thing I can think is that it's still that twit Barr pushing an agenda.

There A-League bid seems to have fizzled a bit, and unfortunately the Brumbies are at their lowest point in the last two decades. The ACT Government has made it clear that this needs to be a multi-tenant stadium to be considered.

Unfortunately, it's hard to see it happening. They'll likely just find some money to upgrade Bruce. Whilst we do have one of the older stadiums in the league, it suffers from really being in not that bad of condition - it's 25,000 all-seats. It's hard for the NRL to draw a line in the sand and threaten the ACT Government over its condition in a world that contains Brookvale and Leichhardt.

Can't, the ACT government and the Australian Sports Commission (who own and run the AIS and thus Bruce) are having a spat.

The Australian Sports Commission wants the ACT government to pay for upgrades to their facilities at the AIS and to then pay rent to use them, and the ACT gov are rightly saying get f##ked 'we're happy to either pay for the upgrades and up keep of the facilities in exchange for the right to be able to use them as and when we wish, or write up a contract to lease the facilities from you and pay rent, but not both'.

So for any upgrades to Bruce to happen they'd either have to be federally funded or come out of the ASC's annual budget, and if that happens (which it won't BTW) Bruce will be made to their preferred specs which will mean that it'll probably be reconfigured to be more useful to Olympic sports again, or the ACT government would have to buy Bruce from the ASC and then make upgrades to it from there, which isn't impossible, but is unlikely cause the ASC would be inclined to squeeze every cent out of the ACTgov for it and would want massive overs.

Long story short that isn't an option either...
 
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