The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Suitman]

So GWS wants another upgrade to Manuka Oval if they are going to extend their deal with the ACT government beyond 2021, which they'll almost certainly get and more, which means that the new stadium will almost certainly be put off again

They also want an upgrade to Spotless to 35000. They f**king struggle to get 10000 fudged fans into there at the best of times.

 

[herbert henry1908]

In summary:

The committee has found that projects announced under the government's stadia strategy have not met the government's own infrastructure spending criteria. The committee has also found that the NSW Government's failure to prioritise the release of business cases or other quality assurance processes in support of the stadia strategy has understandably led many in the community to question the government's motives in prioritising stadia, and the claimed benefits that superior stadia will deliver to New South Wales.

On the evidence received, the committee has found that the significant safety and security concerns at the Sydney Football Stadium require immediate attention, and support the case to proceed with the demolition and rebuild of a facility in the Moore Park precinct

The committee has therefore recommended that the government not proceed with the redevelopment of Stadium Australia until construction of the new Sydney Football Stadium is completed.

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/inquiries/2483/Final report - Sydney stadiums strategy.pdf

Not proceeding with the ANZ redevelopment until Allianz is finished would violate the agreement the govt have with the NRL. Obviously this is just an inquiry but it’ll be interesting to see how the NRL react.

 

[Perth Red]

Not proceeding with the ANZ redevelopment until Allianz is finished would violate the agreement the govt have with the NRL. Obviously this is just an inquiry but it’ll be interesting to see how the NRL react.

Well they backed down on, must be a new ANZ or no guaranteed GF, so Id expect the same amount of backbone on this issue.

 

[beave]

The NRL won’t do shit about it.

 

[El Diablo]

Given the crowds and membership in Sydney wouldn't surprise me if they moved 6 games there as the sweetner for stadium upgrade.

It's not relevant to NRL so of little interest to me or most on here. You seem somewhat AFL fixated.

Why would I reply to a post on afl?

 

[siv]

They also want an upgrade to Spotless to 35000. They f**king struggle to get 10000 fudged fans into there at the best of times.

Easter Show packs out though

 

[El Diablo]

They also want an upgrade to Spotless to 35000. They f**king struggle to get 10000 fudged fans into there at the best of times.

and it's last upgrade when they spent $45 million was only finished in 2012

Keneally should be fronting the ICAC over that seeing the AFL used her corrupt mate to do it https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/le...government-favours-for-afl-20100523-w40j.html

 

[Suitman]

Easter Show packs out though

Yeh. The Easter Show does. The Giants games don't, despite all the freebies.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Part of the opening statement by The Chair, the Hon Robert Brown MLC.
He is from the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party.

Should a chair of a committee he is representing be making personal comment?

I've seen worse, believe me.

 

[Billythekid]

Not proceeding with the ANZ redevelopment until Allianz is finished would violate the agreement the govt have with the NRL. Obviously this is just an inquiry but it’ll be interesting to see how the NRL react.

I’m not sure how to feel about that outcome. Obviously ANZ is a shit hole but I can’t agree with spending hundreds of millions of dollars putting a bandaid on the problem. Hopefully when just about every big event and most NRL clubs start leaving ANZ and it might force their hand to actually do the job properly.

Also it might get the NRL to finally show some backbone and move the GF which would be fantastic for the game.

 

[thorson1987]

I’m not sure how to feel about that outcome. Obviously ANZ is a shit hole but I can’t agree with spending hundreds of millions of dollars putting a bandaid on the problem. Hopefully when just about every big event and most NRL clubs start leaving ANZ and it might force their hand to actually do the job properly.

Also it might get the NRL to finally show some backbone and move the GF which would be fantastic for the game.

Lol as if that will happen.

 

[The Great Dane]

For f**k sake they play3 games a year there and they want a $100m stadium ..get f**ked

And $23 million dollars (they'll probably want more for the next deal as well), and all the money from the stadium sponsor, and extra government grants to support their community work in the region, and all the rest...

They get the highest amount of ACT taxpayers money from the ACT government of any sports team per game (most years they probably get the highest government funding of any sports team outright honestly, but I'm not certain of that) and they aren't even based in the ACT nor do they represent the ACT or Canberra...

BTW, for the sake of accuracy it's 3 AFL games plus 1 trial game a year.

 

[Suitman]

And $23 million dollars (they'll probably want more for the next deal as well), and all the money from the stadium sponsor, and extra government grants to support their community work in the region, and all the rest...

They get the highest amount of ACT taxpayers money from the ACT government of any sports team per game (most years they probably get the highest government funding of any sports team outright honestly, but I'm not certain of that) and they aren't even based in the ACT nor do they represent the ACT or Canberra...

BTW, for the sake of accuracy it's 3 AFL games plus 1 trial game a year.

I've liked your post but I hate the f**king facts.
I'm so sick of the ALF sucking sporting funds out of this country.

 

[El Diablo]

And $23 million dollars (they'll probably want more for the next deal as well), and all the money from the stadium sponsor, and extra government grants to support their community work in the region, and all the rest...

They get the highest amount of ACT taxpayers money from the ACT government of any sports team per game (most years they probably get the highest government funding of any sports team outright honestly, but I'm not certain of that) and they aren't even based in the ACT nor do they represent the ACT or Canberra...

BTW, for the sake of accuracy it's 3 AFL games plus 1 trial game a year.

get rid of the corrupt Andrew Barr https://www.canberratimes.com.au/na...-on-taxpayerfunded-trips-20170113-gtr5bm.html

 

[herbert henry1908]

I’m not sure how to feel about that outcome. Obviously ANZ is a shit hole but I can’t agree with spending hundreds of millions of dollars putting a bandaid on the problem. Hopefully when just about every big event and most NRL clubs start leaving ANZ and it might force their hand to actually do the job properly.

Also it might get the NRL to finally show some backbone and move the GF which would be fantastic for the game.

We haven’t seen the final plan yet but I honestly think rebuilding the entire lower bowl is more than a bandaid. Level 6 isn’t exactly used much.

 

[The Great Dane]

get rid of the corrupt Andrew Barr https://www.canberratimes.com.au/na...-on-taxpayerfunded-trips-20170113-gtr5bm.html

Can't really, and even if we could it wouldn't solve the problem anyway...

For a start If somehow somebody managed to get Barr out of the leadership of the Labour party he'd just be replaced by one of his cronies who are just as corrupt, so it's not a solution to the problem anyway.

Currently the only realistic opposition parties (Libs and maybe at a stretch Greens) are just as corrupt and their stance on most things is worse then Labours (worse for Canberra and the ACT that is, e.g. both their stances on a new stadium is to perpetually put more band-aids on Bruce...), secondly a huge portion of ACT voters vote for the Greens when they are fed up with Labour, which unless the Greens somehow get a majority (which I'd say isn't impossible in the ACT but is still very unlikely) is effectively just voting for Labour cause they back almost everything that Labour does anyway, and changing that and convincing people not to vote either Labour or Greens would be very, very hard.

But the biggest problem is that the vast majority of people in the ACT aren't engaged enough to even recognise that there is a problem at all in the first place and frankly are relatively happy with the Labour government...

So the long and short of it is that unless another viable party that is not completely corrupt becomes a viable alternative in the ACT (your best chance of that ATM is the Sex Party, or at a huge stretch maybe the Liberal Democrats, but both are extremely unlikely (especially the later cause they don't appeal to current stasis quo of the "left" very much if at all) to ever become major parties in the ACT, and even if they did somehow manage to there's no promise that they'd be any better on the stadiums issue anyway) there really isn't anything we can do that will actually change anything.

So as I said in a previous post when it comes to the stadium the only way forward to make sure it gets done in our life time and it done right is if the club does it themselves!
It really is the only way to change the circumstances of the situation in such a manner that the Raiders (and rectangular sports and sports clubs as a whole) definitely come out with a new stadium that is useful to them and not a "multipurpose stadium" that is just an oval and not actually multipurpose at all...

 

[herbert henry1908]

Can't really, and even if we could it wouldn't solve the problem anyway...

For a start If somehow somebody managed to get Barr out of the leadership of the Labour party he'd just be replaced by one of his cronies who are just as corrupt, so it's not a solution to the problem anyway.

Currently the only realistic opposition parties (Libs and maybe at a stretch Greens) are just as corrupt and their stance on most things is worse then Labours (worse for Canberra and the ACT that is, e.g. both their stances on a new stadium is to perpetually put more band-aids on Bruce...), secondly a huge portion of ACT voters vote for the Greens when they are fed up with Labour, which unless the Greens somehow get a majority (which I'd say isn't impossible in the ACT but is still very unlikely) is effectively just voting for Labour cause they back almost everything that Labour does anyway, and changing that and convincing people not to vote either Labour or Greens would be very, very hard.

But the biggest problem is that the vast majority of people in the ACT aren't engaged enough to even recognise that there is a problem at all in the first place and frankly are relatively happy with the Labour government...

So the long and short of it is that unless another viable party that is not completely corrupt becomes a viable alternative in the ACT (your best chance of that ATM is the Sex Party, or at a huge stretch maybe the Liberal Democrats, but both are extremely unlikely (especially the later cause they don't appeal to current stasis quo of the "left" very much if at all) to ever become major parties in the ACT, and even if they did somehow manage to there's no promise that they'd be any better on the stadiums issue anyway) there really isn't anything we can do that will actually change anything.

So as I said in a previous post when it comes to the stadium the only way forward to make sure it gets done in our life time and it done right is if the club does it themselves!
It really is the only way to change the circumstances of the situation in such a manner that the Raiders (and rectangular sports and sports clubs as a whole) definitely come out with a new stadium that is useful to them and not a "multipurpose stadium" that is just an oval and not actually multipurpose at all...

As you’ve mentioned before the rectangular codes have to come together with their collective weight.

There’s easily enough influence between them to usurp the AFL if they do things properly.

Diplomacy first but take away games if necessary.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Can't really, and even if we could it wouldn't solve the problem anyway...

For a start If somehow somebody managed to get Barr out of the leadership of the Labour party he'd just be replaced by one of his cronies who are just as corrupt, so it's not a solution to the problem anyway.

Currently the only realistic opposition parties (Libs and maybe at a stretch Greens) are just as corrupt and their stance on most things is worse then Labours (worse for Canberra and the ACT that is, e.g. both their stances on a new stadium is to perpetually put more band-aids on Bruce...), secondly a huge portion of ACT voters vote for the Greens when they are fed up with Labour, which unless the Greens somehow get a majority (which I'd say isn't impossible in the ACT but is still very unlikely) is effectively just voting for Labour cause they back almost everything that Labour does anyway, and changing that and convincing people not to vote either Labour or Greens would be very, very hard.

But the biggest problem is that the vast majority of people in the ACT aren't engaged enough to even recognise that there is a problem at all in the first place and frankly are relatively happy with the Labour government...

So the long and short of it is that unless another viable party that is not completely corrupt becomes a viable alternative in the ACT (your best chance of that ATM is the Sex Party, or at a huge stretch maybe the Liberal Democrats, but both are extremely unlikely (especially the later cause they don't appeal to current stasis quo of the "left" very much if at all) to ever become major parties in the ACT, and even if they did somehow manage to there's no promise that they'd be any better on the stadiums issue anyway) there really isn't anything we can do that will actually change anything.

So as I said in a previous post when it comes to the stadium the only way forward to make sure it gets done in our life time and it done right is if the club does it themselves!
It really is the only way to change the circumstances of the situation in such a manner that the Raiders (and rectangular sports and sports clubs as a whole) definitely come out with a new stadium that is useful to them and not a "multipurpose stadium" that is just an oval and not actually multipurpose at all...

Local politics in Canberra is f**ked. Its stuck in a rut that will take quite a while to get away from...

I think the funduamental problem it the Libs. For some reason, in the most progressive, well educated and politically aware area in the country, the Libs are run by the RWNJ faction. meaning they are totally unelectable.

Unfortunately this means Labor has a clear run regardless of how shit they are. They can get away with murder and not need to worry.

Youre right that the ACT needs an independent group to come in, because i dont see the Libs genuinely challenging any time soon.

 

[Perth Red]

Can't really, and even if we could it wouldn't solve the problem anyway...

For a start If somehow somebody managed to get Barr out of the leadership of the Labour party he'd just be replaced by one of his cronies who are just as corrupt, so it's not a solution to the problem anyway.

Currently the only realistic opposition parties (Libs and maybe at a stretch Greens) are just as corrupt and their stance on most things is worse then Labours (worse for Canberra and the ACT that is, e.g. both their stances on a new stadium is to perpetually put more band-aids on Bruce...), secondly a huge portion of ACT voters vote for the Greens when they are fed up with Labour, which unless the Greens somehow get a majority (which I'd say isn't impossible in the ACT but is still very unlikely) is effectively just voting for Labour cause they back almost everything that Labour does anyway, and changing that and convincing people not to vote either Labour or Greens would be very, very hard.

But the biggest problem is that the vast majority of people in the ACT aren't engaged enough to even recognise that there is a problem at all in the first place and frankly are relatively happy with the Labour government...

So the long and short of it is that unless another viable party that is not completely corrupt becomes a viable alternative in the ACT (your best chance of that ATM is the Sex Party, or at a huge stretch maybe the Liberal Democrats, but both are extremely unlikely (especially the later cause they don't appeal to current stasis quo of the "left" very much if at all) to ever become major parties in the ACT, and even if they did somehow manage to there's no promise that they'd be any better on the stadiums issue anyway) there really isn't anything we can do that will actually change anything.

So as I said in a previous post when it comes to the stadium the only way forward to make sure it gets done in our life time and it done right is if the club does it themselves!
It really is the only way to change the circumstances of the situation in such a manner that the Raiders (and rectangular sports and sports clubs as a whole) definitely come out with a new stadium that is useful to them and not a "multipurpose stadium" that is just an oval and not actually multipurpose at all...

Could you build a new 20-25k stadium and build a massive pokie den and shopping centre as part of it to pay for it? Raiders group seem to have a massive property portfolio, maybe they could offload some to get the capital and borrow rest with rent from Brumbies and soccer, plus the pokies and commercial covering the repayment of debt? Stadium would be around $250-300mill going on current prices.

 

[The Great Dane]

As you’ve mentioned before the rectangular codes have to come together with their collective weight.

There’s easily enough influence between them to usurp the AFL if they do things properly.

Diplomacy first but take away games if necessary.

Not now that the AFL is poking it's nose around, they'll get what they want no matter how much pressure their is from the other side cause Barr and Labour will go for the free GF tickets if you know what I mean...

The only thing that could head them off is Nimbys cause they have way more power then they should have in this city, apart from that the AFL will basically be able to dictate exactly what they want and the ACT gov will give it to them if they can.

Local politics in Canberra is f**ked. Its stuck in a rut that will take quite a while to get away from...

I think the fundamental problem it the Libs. For some reason, in the most progressive, well educated and politically aware area in the country, the Libs are run by the RWNJ faction. meaning they are totally unelectable.

Unfortunately this means Labor has a clear run regardless of how shit they are. They can get away with murder and not need to worry.

Youre right that the ACT needs an independent group to come in, because i dont see the Libs genuinely challenging any time soon.

I mean they have their nut jobs for sure, but by and large they're not even RWNJs, not really away, they are just very average corporatist Libs and for a lot of reasons (that would take to long to go through) very average Libs aren't great for Canberra cause they fundamentally disagree with large parts of how Canberra as a city functions.

If anything their are way more LWNJs in Labour and the Greens in ACT politics then their are RWNJs in the Libs...

Could you build a new 20-25k stadium and build a massive pokie den and shopping centre as part of it to pay for it? Raiders group seem to have a massive property portfolio, maybe they could offload some to get the capital and borrow rest with rent from Brumbies and soccer, plus the pokies and commercial covering the repayment of debt? Stadium would be around $250-300mill going on current prices.

They could go that way or get in bed with a developer (though the shopping centre would be pointless cause there's literally the biggest one in Canberra across the road, and the massive pokie den isn't happening either cause of local laws, apartments and car parking would be better money makers in that spot honestly), either way the point is that it could be done and the best hope for the best out come is to go that route, and it'd have the added bonus of the club never being reliant on the government for their stadium again (at least for the foreseeable future I mean).

They even own the perfect piece of land right in the middle of the city, probably better placed than the governments proposed spot for the stadium.
Unfortunately instead of using that spot to it's greatest potential they've got the government funding and approval to build a Centre of Excellence on it when they could build the CoE literally anywhere in the city and it'd serve it's purpose, where the land in Braddon could be used for much bigger things...