The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[beave]

the way it’s going, I can see Allianz getting re-built due to the timing of this mess but ANZ will miss the boat and will be left untouched.

sort your shit out NSW.

 

[siv]

One poor decision on the Sydney metro was not being able to take standard heavy rail carriages. And then ripping up the Epping to Chatswood heavy metro tracks a few years after they were setup. So events like yesterdays storm meant you could not divert trains

 

[Suitman]

One poor decision on the Sydney metro was not being able to take standard heavy rail carriages. And then ripping up the Epping to Chatswood heavy metro tracks a few years after they were setup. So events like yesterdays storm meant you could not divert trains

The NWRL had nothing to do with yesterdays downpour.
Where do you divert trains that go through Town Hall? There's no alternative..
If anything the NWRL will free up Town Hall by eventually having it's own line through the city, with three new city stations, actually freeing up space on the Town Hall line.

 

[herbert henry1908]

One poor decision on the Sydney metro was not being able to take standard heavy rail carriages. And then ripping up the Epping to Chatswood heavy metro tracks a few years after they were setup. So events like yesterdays storm meant you could not divert trains

Converting that line has far more advantages than disadvantages.

Firstly the time taken to travel from the NW will be much less on the metro than heavy rail, metro trains can go faster. (As an example, the metro from Bankstown to central will save commuters 1 hour per week)

They’re also more efficient at loading & unloading passengers, meaning you can run them more frequently. 3 doors to a carriage rather than 2, plus you don’t have the convergence of people coming from the lower & upper sections of the trains.

Metro is also quicker to tunnel than for double decker trains.

If they didn’t convert that section of rail they either would’ve had to route the heavy rail from the NW via Strathfield or be faced with the slow, twisting journey between st leaonards & north Sydney. The Strathfield route would’nt have been ideal as that section between Strathfield & the city is already close to capacity. Hence why they’re building the metro west next.

There’s a reason most major cities use metro standard instead of double deckers.

 

[Captain Apollo]

What a stupid comment. You cannot spend a cent on the structure of Town Hall without completely shutting down the city circle. Its depth and location make it difficult to expand the station shell at all. It's an engineering impossibility.

Oh and those billions of dollars are being spent on the new metro, which includes Pitt Street Station, taking a massive load off Town Hall.

I did research on the construction of the City Circle line back in high school and I visited the archives at (then) State Rail to look at how it was done. the hard part of the construction was for both Town Hall and Wynyard Stations as the ground where they now are is a combination of granite and sandstone, which is very tough rock to have to dig through. It is why the designer built a whole heap of branch line tunnels (which were later never used) for future expansion (e.g. for a line out to Zetland, and another down to Pyrmont) to reduce the costs. As such besides the impracticality of closing down Town Hall and Wynyard stations to do major renovations, you are looking at prolonged construction to cut through very tough ground.

Anyway, sorry for going off topic...

 

[Captain Apollo]

Converting that line has far more advantages than disadvantages.

Firstly the time taken to travel from the NW will be much less on the metro than heavy rail, metro trains can go faster. (As an example, the metro from Bankstown to central will save commuters 1 hour per week)

They’re also more efficient at loading & unloading passengers, meaning you can run them more frequently. 3 doors to a carriage rather than 2, plus you don’t have the convergence of people coming from the lower & upper sections of the trains.

Metro is also quicker to tunnel than for double decker trains.

If they didn’t convert that section of rail they either would’ve had to route the heavy rail from the NW via Strathfield or be faced with the slow, twisting journey between st leaonards & north Sydney. The Strathfield route would’nt have been ideal as that section between Strathfield & the city is already close to capacity. Hence why they’re building the metro west next.

There’s a reason most major cities use metro standard instead of double deckers.

For NSW the main decision was loading times. It takes shorter times to load single deck trains. It is also why the NSW Government justified only providing for 25% of metro passengers to be able to have a set on a metro train. 75% of passenger will have to stand. It makes loading and unloading quicker.

 

[Suitman]

For NSW the main decision was loading times. It takes shorter times to load single deck trains. It is also why the NSW Government justified only providing for 25% of metro passengers to be able to have a set on a metro train. 75% of passenger will have to stand. It makes loading and unloading quicker.

Correct. Each Metro train will have a capacity of almost 1500. 397 seats and 1100 standing. A train every 4 minutes in peak, and a train every 10 minutes off peak. That's a lot of capacity, and the system has the capability of reducing the peak times to a train every 2 mins 20 secs. The trains can also travel over 100 km/h. They have achieved a peak speed of 111 km/h in testing.
Double deckers are slow and cumbersome, and old technology.
The Metro will be a game changer for public transport travel in this city.

 

[horrie hastings]

One poor decision on the Sydney metro was not being able to take standard heavy rail carriages. And then ripping up the Epping to Chatswood heavy metro tracks a few years after they were setup. So events like yesterdays storm meant you could not divert trains

And there is also the taking out of the Bankstown line coming up to convert it to the Metro line.

 

[herbert henry1908]

And there is also the taking out of the Bankstown line coming up to convert it to the Metro line.

They’re doing that to take pressure off of town hall & Wynyard stations.

It’ll all make a lot more sense when it opens, but there’s method in the perceived madness. Converting that line allows for 3 new city stations that run in each direction out of the CBD.

 

[beave]

Less train talk, more stadium porn please........

@Suitman where’s my weekly stadium fix mate?

 

[LineBall]

The NSW government just announced a $20M grant to NSW Rugby Union for the design and construction for new facilities for all of their Rugby programs. I now await the upcoming article from Peter Fitzsimons denouncing this waste of Taxpayer's money.

 

[Captain Apollo]

The NSW government just announced a $20M grant to NSW Rugby Union for the design and construction for new facilities for all of their Rugby programs. I now await the upcoming article from Peter Fitzsimons denouncing this waste of Taxpayer's money.

Waiting for that article will be like waiting for Godot, mate.

 

[siv]

The NWRL had nothing to do with yesterdays downpour.
Where do you divert trains that go through Town Hall? There's no alternative..
If anything the NWRL will free up Town Hall by eventually having it's own line through the city, with three new city stations, actually freeing up space on the Town Hall line.

There would have been be if the Metro track could carry heavy rail trains

 

[herbert henry1908]

There would have been be if the Metro track could carry heavy rail trains

This is impossible I’m pretty sure.

You can only have one or the other due to the height of the electrics.

Plus the signal systems are going to be different because the metro will be self driving. Platform heights would be another issue.

I don’t think you’ve thought this criticism through.

 

[Suitman]

There would have been be if the Metro track could carry heavy rail trains

I don't think you understand the benefits of a Metro, and in particular, this Metro.
As per the below map, when the current T3 Bankstown line is converted to Metro, it will free up that line and all the trains that use it from Bankstown, through the city circle, hence reducing congestion at Central and all the city circle lines.
You also appear to have ignored all the other facts presented to you with regards to the benefits of a Metro system, as opposed to the current heavy rail.
To have built the NWRL as a heavy rail line (double deckers) would have been condemning new infrastructure in this city to 20th century technology - old and slow.
Also note in the map the 3 new city centre stations, as well as one at Central (which will be underground and independent of the current platforms) which will further relieve pressure on current city stations.
I'm not sure why you think a little bit of flooding at an80 year old railway station warrants such primitive thinking.

 

[Suitman]

Less train talk, more stadium porn please........

@Suitman where’s my weekly stadium fix mate?

Sorry champ, but since the roof has gone on, there's not a lot to see.
Unless there are official press releases, or photos taken by workers on the inside, there's not much available.
Some works are happening outside, but even that continues to look like a construction site, so not much update there.

As for the less train talk, it's sort of relevant, due to the amount people complain about transport as an excuse for not attending games. Transport is an integral part of infrastructure and indirectly related to stadium upgrades. Plus, some nuffy name Siv brought it up in the first place.

 

[Suitman]

Less train talk, more stadium porn please........

@Suitman where’s my weekly stadium fix mate?

Actually, here's a pic from today that I just saw on the Eels forum, after yesterdays flooding rains.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I don't think you understand the benefits of a Metro, and in particular, this Metro.
As per the below map, when the current T3 Bankstown line is converted to Metro, it will free up that line and all the trains that use it from Bankstown, through the city circle, hence reducing congestion at Central and all the city circle lines.
You also appear to have ignored all the other facts presented to you with regards to the benefits of a Metro system, as opposed to the current heavy rail.
To have built the NWRL as a heavy rail line (double deckers) would have been condemning new infrastructure in this city to 20th century technology - old and slow.
Also note in the map the 3 new city centre stations, as well as one at Central (which will be underground and independent of the current platforms) which will further relieve pressure on current city stations.
I'm not sure why you think a little bit of flooding at an80 year old railway station warrants such primitive thinking.

Effectively 4 new city stations, plus Victoria Cross, Crows Nest & Waterloo.

7 new inner city train stations, none of which would’ve been possible if chatwood to Epping wasn’t converted.

In 30 years time this will be seen as one of the great infrastructure builds in Sydney history. Plus now we get to add to the metro network, more inner city stations through the inner west. Hopefully to the east eventually too.

 

[Burns]

That screen seems kinda small for WSS no?

 

[TheRam]

Sell the land for both stadiums and build a single 70k rectangular state of the art stadium smack bang on top of Central Station

No, but a 35-40k stadium with a freakin roof would be perfect.

In some ways I hope that they knock down the SFS and then Labor kibosh's the building of the new one. Then the site just sits there for a year or two while the wankers argue and play their dicky little to and fro games. During this skirmish time, the SCG Trust falls victim and is dismantled/sacked.

Then the real stakeholders, all the rectangular playing sports, Government and the fans come to a compromise of sorts, but this time some bright spark/s convinces them that the best bleeding possible site and size would be a 35-40k roofed Stadium above Central Station. Wow now I'm wet.

Then I realised I just got slapped in the face with a glass of cold water known as reality and woke up.