The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Dogs Of War]

As a Sharks season ticket holder and Sutherland Shire resident I say ABSOLUTELY NO f**kING WAY to any forced relocations; however small in scale.

The Sharks belong in Cronulla and owning our own ground means the NRL cannot and should not dictate where our home games are played.

So the Sharks should spite the rest of the comp by refusing to allow a couple of games to be played elsewhere in Sydney.

Really Manly and Cronulla only need to play 2 each at Allianz/ANZ which then probably allows those other supporters who don't live in the Shire to get to the games. Who knows it may even benefit the club with extra members, especially if you separated those two games as a special 2 game membership to encourage further support.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

well I would play em as double headers
that would get more fans in the gate to those games. so say

Sunday arvo
2pm Cronulla vs team
4 pm Manly vs team

you would have to compensate the sharks the standard amount sfs pays plus whatever may be lost in other gameday revenue

those home games particularly the big ones are big days for the leagues club as well, given its at the ground.

anyway, will be interesting what the clubs negotiate

 

[Dogs Of War]

well I would play em as double headers
that would get more fans in the gate to those games. so say

Sunday arvo
2pm Cronulla vs team
4 pm Manly vs team

you would have to compensate the sharks the standard amount sfs pays plus whatever may be lost in other gameday revenue

those home games particularly the big ones are big days for the leagues club as well, given its at the ground.

anyway, will be interesting what the clubs negotiate

Wouldn't it better better to negotiate that if you play at Allianz it must be on a Thursday/Friday night to ensure that you are tapping into the city after work crowd, plus guarantee your exposure on TV, which should offset a bit of a loss of income by increasing your brand awareness.

 

[Frank Discussion]

So the Sharks should spite the rest of the comp by refusing to allow a couple of games to be played elsewhere in Sydney.

Really Manly and Cronulla only need to play 2 each at Allianz/ANZ which then probably allows those other supporters who don't live in the Shire to get to the games. Who knows it may even benefit the club with extra members, especially if you separated those two games as a special 2 game membership to encourage further support.

What part of "no f**kin way" did you misunderstand.

The Sharks have tried taking games to NZ, Gosford, Perth, Adelaide in an attempt to grow the brand and it didn't work.

 

[Dogs Of War]

What part of "no f**kin way" did you misunderstand.

The Sharks have tried taking games to NZ, Gosford, Perth, Adelaide in an attempt to grow the brand and it didn't work.

But your not taking the game out of Sydney. So it's not as if shire sharks supporters can't attend, and those Sharks supporters who don't live in the Shire can go a lot more easily. What part of that do you not understand? Your just solidifying the brand in Sydney and engaging with other Sharks supporters who live elsewhere in Sydney. Plus you may get more away supporters if you choose the right team to play at that ground who can get to those games (ie Bulldogs, Souths).

As I said, you can do some good things with these games, special memberships for those 2 games, with maybe a third game membership to go to Shark park to get those part time supporters to attend more games at Shark park.

At the end of the day, at least 2 games are not going to be played at Shark park. So you better get used to it.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Wouldn't it better better to negotiate that if you play at Allianz it must be on a Thursday/Friday night to ensure that you are tapping into the city after work crowd, plus guarantee your exposure on TV, which should offset a bit of a loss of income by increasing your brand awareness.

well theres that too, you raise a good point

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

As a Sharks season ticket holder and Sutherland Shire resident I say ABSOLUTELY NO f**kING WAY to any forced relocations; however small in scale.

The Sharks belong in Cronulla and owning our own ground means the NRL cannot and should not dictate where our home games are played.

I do love those 5k crowds....

 

[JamesRustle]

As a Sharks season ticket holder and Sutherland Shire resident I say ABSOLUTELY NO f**kING WAY to any forced relocations; however small in scale.

The Sharks belong in Cronulla and owning our own ground means the NRL cannot and should not dictate where our home games are played.

Can't hurt to get out of The Shire from time to time and mix it with those less fortunate.

NRL will do what it sees is in the best interest of the game and compensate if necessary.

 

[Perth Red]

Hard to for clubs to commit without knowing the deal. If they are going to get a deal like souths and Dogs have where they get paid to play at said stadiums then it will be a much easier sell. Cronulla make far less from game day than Dogs or Souths, even given crowd size difference, despite owning the ground when you take into account cost of maintaining stadium and running game day operations.

Cant help but feel if the NRl had hung onto the $24million a year hand outs it has agreed to give the clubs no strings attached that it could have used that money wisely to achieve some strategic outcomes for the growth of NRL games and to the clubs longer term benefits.

 

[Frank Discussion]

I do love those 5k crowds....

So do I. I particularly love the peanuts who wail about them in the crowd thread.

There are already talks of boycotts and the Sharks facebook pages are filled with people claiming that they wont attend games at ANZ or Allianz. So how is scheduling games there going to improve attendance?

 

[Frank Discussion]

Hard to for clubs to commit without knowing the deal. If they are going to get a deal like souths and Dogs have where they get paid to play at said stadiums then it will be a much easier sell. Cronulla make far less from game day than Dogs or Souths, even given crowd size difference, despite owning the ground when you take into account cost of maintaining stadium and running game day operations.

Cant help but feel if the NRl had hung onto the $24million a year hand outs it has agreed to give the clubs no strings attached that it could have used that money wisely to achieve some strategic outcomes for the growth of NRL games and to the clubs longer term benefits.

What the f**k would you know about game day takings from The Sharks, The Dogs and Souths?

 

[boonboon]

So you need 65 NRL regular season games based in sydney in the big stadiums

Dogs - 12
Souths -12
Parramatta - 12
Easts - 12
These 4 teams are almost full time at the stadiums anyway and for 1.6 billion being spent on their home grounds surley they can play the other game or 2

So thats 48 - Leaves 17 games

Dragons - 8 (currently they play 8 in sydney anyway)
Tigers - 8 - Im a Balmain boy but Leicahrdt is past its prime

That leaves 1 game between Manly, Sharks and Penrith which they could alternate so one home game every 3 years

Its not fing rocket science

 

[flamin]

So do I. I particularly love the peanuts who wail about them in the crowd thread.

There are already talks of boycotts and the Sharks facebook pages are filled with people claiming that they wont attend games at ANZ or Allianz. So how is scheduling games there going to improve attendance?

Isn't that the whole point of the exercise? If you can't get crowds at your suburban ground and you can't get crowds at the modern stadium then you'll find your team won't exist in 10 years or it'll be in another state/NZ.

Surely the best attitude for the likes of Manly and Cronulla would be to view their one or two games a season in the CBD as an opportunity to really get out and advertise the club.

 

[Frank Discussion]

Isn't that the whole point of the exercise? If you can't get crowds at your suburban ground and you can't get crowds at the modern stadium then you'll find your team won't exist in 10 years or it'll be in another state/NZ.

Surely the best attitude for the likes of Manly and Cronulla would be to view their one or two games a season in the CBD as an opportunity to really get out and advertise the club.

If you can't see that forcing clubs to move who don't want to will be a poor result for the game
On every single metric, then I can't help you.

ANZ is a shithole. The Sharks and Manly have no interest in playing there at any time other than the grand final. Why should these clubs and their supporters suffer so this dump gets an upgrade? The fact that ANZ is not appropriate for regular club matches has absolutely zero to do with Cronulla and Manly.

 

[flamin]

If you can't see that forcing clubs to move who don't want to will be a poor result for the game
On every single metric, then I can't help you.

ANZ is a shithole. The Sharks and Manly have no interest in playing there at any time other than the grand final. Why should these clubs and their supporters suffer so this dump gets an upgrade? The fact that ANZ is not appropriate for regular club matches has absolutely zero to do with Cronulla and Manly.

Who says they have to play at ANZ?

I don't want Manly or the Sharks to fail. But being unwilling to move 1 match a year to a stadium in the same city to help out the game while also failing to see the potential opportunity for your own club is ridiculously short-sighted.

 

[boonboon]

I still don't understand how they come up with Sharks or Manly having to move more then 1 games every 2 to 3 years. Their are 64 games easily worked out with Tigers and Dragons still getting 4 at local venues

 

[taipan]

Hard to for clubs to commit without knowing the deal. If they are going to get a deal like souths and Dogs have where they get paid to play at said stadiums then it will be a much easier sell. Cronulla make far less from game day than Dogs or Souths, even given crowd size difference, despite owning the ground when you take into account cost of maintaining stadium and running game day operations.

Cant help but feel if the NRl had hung onto the $24million a year hand outs it has agreed to give the clubs no strings attached that it could have used that money wisely to achieve some strategic outcomes for the growth of NRL games and to the clubs longer term benefits.

The Sharks made over $200,000 profit with the Dragons the prior weekend.And a a ground restructure will happen there down the line.

 

[siv]

So you need 65 NRL regular season games based in sydney in the big stadiums

Dogs - 12
Souths -12
Parramatta - 12
Easts - 12
These 4 teams are almost full time at the stadiums anyway and for 1.6 billion being spent on their home grounds surley they can play the other game or 2

So thats 48 - Leaves 17 games

Dragons - 8 (currently they play 8 in sydney anyway)
Tigers - 8 - Im a Balmain boy but Leicahrdt is past its prime

That leaves 1 game between Manly, Sharks and Penrith which they could alternate so one home game every 3 years

Its not fing rocket science

There is no reason why Wests shouldnt play 12 as well

 

[Perth Red]

The Sharks made over $200,000 profit with the Dragons the prior weekend.And a a ground restructure will happen there down the line.

If only they played the Dragons every weekend!

They took $1.2million in gate takings 14/15. Souths got nearly that much in please play here money from ANZ before gate taking share and with zero overheads. I don't think the small clubs like Cronulla and manly will be any better off in big central stadiums as they don't have a city wide appeal and have missed the boat in developing it. St George are probably better positioned to still achieve that.

Where that leaves the likes of manly and Cronulla with their small revenue base and small supporter base time will tell. At moment NRL is happy to throw millions at them to cover the losses, who knows how much longer that will go for.

 

[Frank Discussion]

If only they played the Dragons every weekend!

They took $1.2million in gate takings 14/15. Souths got nearly that much in please play here money from ANZ before gate taking share and with zero overheads. I don't think the small clubs like Cronulla and manly will be any better off in big central stadiums as they don't have a city wide appeal and have missed the boat in developing it. St George are probably better positioned to still achieve that.

Where that leaves the likes of manly and Cronulla with their small revenue base and small supporter base time will tell. At moment NRL is happy to throw millions at them to cover the losses, who knows how much longer that will go for.

Cronulla are financially independent you muppet.