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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Perth Red

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To play devils advocate that only becomes a factor if the new stadium attracts more events and more out of town sports tourists than the existing stadiums do. Will more people travel to Sydney to attend a refurbed anz than did for the existing one? Will it attract more events than the current one?
 

Saxon

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Travel, accommodation, jobs created, general increase in spending.

All those things circulate more money into the economy, which is then taxed.
To be a valid economic argument, that would require an awful lot of ADDITIONAL people to go to events at the new, flash stadiums above the number who go now.
Let me give you the tip, for people travelling from Melbourne, Brisbane or NZ to watch the footy, concerts or what ever, the quality of the stadiums is way down the list of factors considered if deciding to go. If I'm planning on coming down from Mackay to watch my team play, I'm not going to say, "Oh, but the SFS is a dive. Maybe I'll just give it a miss."
And for locals, it won't matter how much you tart up the venues; if prices for tickets, food and drink aren't substantially reduced you won't get a significant increase in attendance.

I'll run naked down Pitt Street if the new, improved stadiums see an average increase in attendance of just 25% - and even with all your travel, accommodation, etc. etc. twice that wouldn't come close to covering the cost to the state's taxpayers.
 

unforgiven

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To be a valid economic argument, that would require an awful lot of ADDITIONAL people to go to events at the new, flash stadiums above the number who go now.
Let me give you the tip, for people travelling from Melbourne, Brisbane or NZ to watch the footy, concerts or what ever, the quality of the stadiums is way down the list of factors considered if deciding to go. If I'm planning on coming down from Mackay to watch my team play, I'm not going to say, "Oh, but the SFS is a dive. Maybe I'll just give it a miss."
And for locals, it won't matter how much you tart up the venues; if prices for tickets, food and drink aren't substantially reduced you won't get a significant increase in attendance.

I'll run naked down Pitt Street if the new, improved stadiums see an average increase in attendance of just 25% - and even with all your travel, accommodation, etc. etc. twice that wouldn't come close to covering the cost to the state's taxpayers.

The thing is it is just about the increase, its to stop decline as well, all public infrastructure needs maintence, redevelopment and rebuilding at some point in time to allow them to continue to function.
 

sempmrh

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Investing money in stadiums and other sports facilities ensure the big events either come to or stay in that city. Money has been pouring into the Melbourne Park precinct to ensure the Australian Open stays in Melbourne. The whole precinct has been transformed and Rod Laver Arena is receiving a huge upgrade. It's not so much about dropping in a new stadium or arena and hoping people come - it's getting the events which bring the people in.
 

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To play devils advocate that only becomes a factor if the new stadium attracts more events and more out of town sports tourists than the existing stadiums do. Will more people travel to Sydney to attend a refurbed anz than did for the existing one? Will it attract more events than the current one?

Not sure but I know less people will travel to Sydney for events when the GF and SOO are no longer played there.
 

unforgiven

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Investing money in stadiums and other sports facilities ensure the big events either come to or stay in that city. Money has been pouring into the Melbourne Park precinct to ensure the Australian Open stays in Melbourne. The whole precinct has been transformed and Rod Laver Arena is receiving a huge upgrade. It's not so much about dropping in a new stadium or arena and hoping people come - it's getting the events which bring the people in.
Getting new events but also maintaining the ones that you already have.
 

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To play devils advocate that only becomes a factor if the new stadium attracts more events and more out of town sports tourists than the existing stadiums do. Will more people travel to Sydney to attend a refurbed anz than did for the existing one? Will it attract more events than the current one?


That question could have been asked when they decided to build the uniquely designed Opera House.Which blew its budget (funded by gambling)many times over.Will people flock to this building, particularly as most Sydneysiders couldn't give a rats about opera or ballet.
We know the result .If it was a box style building few would care to visit.

'Id suggest a refurbished rectangular ANZ will attract more people to NRL games, than the current mishmash.I also believe G/F sellouts would happen sooner.
And being rectangular more chance of attracting major soccer (certainly a world cup in Sydney) ,than the current one.Even union tests, despite the state of union ATM.
The other bugbear ANZ has, is public transport and who knows how that will improve in the future.


Anycase the issue ATM is replacing the SFS ,which due to its current state ,attracts more seagulls than spectators.I certainly won't bother with the current one, unless its semis, but certainly would in a new one.

In summary the SFS is a dated ,non user friendly venue with safety issues.ANZ is a stadium intended to be rectangular long term,but screwed by an oval sport which hates rectangular sports(who happened to have International games) with a passion.
 
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...e/news-story/c96ffba17c32c1e35959055c8766bf4e

Stadium the best, Barr none

Townsville Bulletin
January 2, 2019 12:00am


ONE of the criticisms levelled at the North Queensland Stadium is that it will be underused.

The concern is that the stadium will be used for about a dozen Cowboys home games each year and not much else.

It is fair criticism and it is important that the owners of the facility, the Queensland Government, ensure that is not the case.

Townsville MP Scott Stewart indicates in today’s edition that the Government is fully aware of the need to maximise use of the facility and discussions were under way on how to do so between government representatives and Tourism and Events Queensland, the Townsville City Council and Stadiums Queensland.

It will be important that the community is heavily involved with these decisions to ensure use of the stadium for events other than NRL games proves popular.

The key will be getting high-profile events and performers.

Our State of the North survey revealed music concerts were the popular pick for the stadium.

And with a capacity of about 40,000 in concert configuration, high-quality acts from Australia and overseas will find the venue an attractive option for touring schedules.

New Zealand’s Forsyth Barrr Stadium should be used as a benchmark for what can be achieved.

The stadium, which is home to Super Rugby’s Highlanders, holds about 30,500 for sports events and about 36,000 for concerts and is located in Dunedin, a city of about 130,000.

It has been credited with having a huge impact on the city’s economy since it opened in late 2011 and particularly in 2018.

Last year the venue hosted international superstars Ed Sheeran (three concerts), Stevie Nicks and The Pretenders, Roger Waters, Robbie Williams, Pink and Shania Twain.

The Otago Daily Times reported yesterday the eight major concerts in 2018 attracted more than 200,000 fans, many of them visitors.

It was estimated these concerts were worth $60 million to Dunedin. This year a crowd of 30,000 is expected for a concert by The Eagles in early March.

This is the bar, or should that be Barr, that Townsville’s stadium needs to reach.

The Government needs to look closely at the model used for the operation of Dunedin stadium and use it as a template for North Queensland Stadium.

Achieving the results gained in Dunedin would be a fantastic result for Townsville.
 

franklin2323

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To play devils advocate that only becomes a factor if the new stadium attracts more events and more out of town sports tourists than the existing stadiums do. Will more people travel to Sydney to attend a refurbed anz than did for the existing one? Will it attract more events than the current one?

Most events come to Sydney and Melbourne atleast. So probably will be no change for a while yet. Sport will be much better for viewing though
 

franklin2323

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The thing is it is just about the increase, its to stop decline as well, all public infrastructure needs maintence, redevelopment and rebuilding at some point in time to allow them to continue to function.

atm we keep the events. In 5 years time maybe not it those one off events that are what makes it worth it
 

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That question could have been asked when they decided to build the uniquely designed Opera House.Which blew its budget (funded by gambling)many times over.Will people flock to this building, particularly as most Sydneysiders couldn't give a rats about opera or ballet.
We know the result .If it was a box style building few would care to visit.

'Id suggest a refurbished rectangular ANZ will attract more people to NRL games, than the current mishmash.I also believe G/F sellouts would happen sooner.
And being rectangular more chance of attracting major soccer (certainly a world cup in Sydney) ,than the current one.Even union tests, despite the state of union ATM.
The other bugbear ANZ has, is public transport and who knows how that will improve in the future.


Anycase the issue ATM is replacing the SFS ,which due to its current state ,attracts more seagulls than spectators.I certainly won't bother with the current one, unless its semis, but certainly would in a new one.

In summary the SFS is a dated ,non user friendly venue with safety issues.ANZ is a stadium intended to be rectangular long term,but screwed by an oval sport which hates rectangular sports(who happened to have International games) with a passion.

We do need a stadium in the CBD. Just not 45k
 

beave

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following on from Diab’s post

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com....s/news-story/be1dafd7336c956605150e50d9e60520


MUSIC concerts are Townsville’s event of choice for the new North Queensland Stadium between NRL seasons.

According to the Townsville Bulletin’s State of the North survey more than 44 per cent of people want to see music performances at Townsville’s new stadium outside North Queensland Cowboys games.

About 16 per cent are still holding out hope Townsville will one day host a State of Origin game and 11 per cent back plans to have a military tattoo performance.

There was also support for rugby union and soccer matches to be held on the rectangular field.

Several survey respondents suggested other ideas such as athletics events, junior rugby league carnivals, special conventions and even baseball games.

Townsville MP Scott Stewart said the North Queensland Stadium has been designed to allow truck access to bring in various concert materials.

“The stadium can hold up to 40,000 people for a concert, that was part of the design brief that the stadium be multipurpose for different events around the NRL season,” he said.

Mr Stewart said discussions on how to ensure the Townsville facility was used year-round have already begun between the State Government, Tourism and Events Queensland, the Townsville City Council and Stadiums Queensland.

The city’s representatives will be looking to replicate the success of other regions such as Mackay, Cairns, Newcastle and Wollongong, who have hosted the likes of Elton John, Kiss, Jimmy Barnes and Cher in recent years.

“We’re working out how do we connect with concert promoters, how can we get Townsville on that tour roster, how do we provide incentives to get those big performers to come to the North,” Mr Stewart said.

“It depends on the calibre of the performer but I reckon with the major artists you could probably host two to three a year, which is what Suncorp does.

“When it comes to performers who wouldn’t quite be looking to fill the full stadium I think we could host another two to three of those events at least, it just comes down to availability, co-ordinating with performers and assurances of ticket sales.”

Mr Stewart said the stadium was also equipped to host any sport that is played on a rectangle field.

“The reason the stadium wasn’t an oval was because when you’re playing NRL on that big of a field the audience is too far away from the action,” he said.

“What we want to do with the stadium is ensure people are a part of the game and in fact the seating is slightly steeper than that of Suncorp so the crowd will feel like they’re almost sitting right over the game or concert.”



-Glad to hear the stands are going to be steep.
 
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so. seems there are rumblings that the CBR a league team is gonna get greenlit soon even tho they just announced 2 new teams.
probably at the expense of the phoenix.

Would be great for for the CBR stadium case with a third team running out in the summer.
 

TheFrog

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Concerts.Tests for soccer and union, perhaps even gridiron.Influx of tourists intrastate,interstate and overseas.
Hotel accommodation, public transport, other sights.Extra employment needed .
Better chance of selling more events than a worn down, safety issues stadium we now have.
Ask the WA Govt about the advantages of securing major events, in their new stadium.
Over and above what is there now?

I'm having to assume the NRL will make a few bob out of it too, otherwise they wouldn't be making their threats to move the GF.

Now I don't make a razoo out of it, and I'm being asked to contribute. I think it would be a better idea if those that do benefit from it, kick in.
 

Panther_Daz

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so. seems there are rumblings that the CBR a league team is gonna get greenlit soon even tho they just announced 2 new teams.
probably at the expense of the phoenix.

Would be great for for the CBR stadium case with a third team running out in the summer.

The current stadium would not be comfortable in summer. Barely any shade available. I went down there for a Penrith game a couple of years ago where it was 35+ degrees. It wasn't pleasant!
 

mistertaylor

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NRL games are best played in small boutique stadia, i.e. 30k capacity or less (the only exception being Sincorp Stadium, but this is justified given Broncos crowd averages).

The less regular season games in venues like ANZ Stadium, the better. Looks horrible on TV with all those empty seats.
 
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Over and above what is there now?

I'm having to assume the NRL will make a few bob out of it too, otherwise they wouldn't be making their threats to move the GF.

Now I don't make a razoo out of it, and I'm being asked to contribute. I think it would be a better idea if those that do benefit from it, kick in.
You're the type who are also against the Sydney new years fireworks as well I bet
 
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The current stadium would not be comfortable in summer. Barely any shade available. I went down there for a Penrith game a couple of years ago where it was 35+ degrees. It wasn't pleasant!

Yeah when its hot its farked.
when its cold, its farked

its good for like 3 weeks at the start of the year and 2 at the end.

indoor/outdoor stadium in Canberra city would be great. they want to build it where civic pool is, however I think it would be a lot better if the ACT Govt bought the ANU North oval off ANU and put if there.
the best place is obviously rugby league park where the raiders center of excellence is gonna be built but that's never gonna happen given the demographic around there
 
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