The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

The transport is being upgraded.

They're building a light rail line to the SFS now & there are plans for a light rail from parra to Homebush bay.

Melbourne was originally a much more planned city than Sydney , it's also much flatter making road & rail infrastructure easier. Point is it's very hard to unwind what was done in the past.

 

[seanoff]

We need to go steeper..

Design rules probably limit you to 33 - 35 degrees. If you've been to the top deck of ANZ or the MCG they are that steep and quite steep enough. The bernebau and camp nou have 45 degree tiers. They are so steep that they have to put barriers in front of each seat and are in f**k that territory.

You have to trade off height for distance as well. If you make it super steep on every level the people on level 2 and 3 end up a huge distance vertically from the playing surface. Also the people on level 1 don't need as steep a rake to see the whole field.

 

[herbert henry1908]

http://www.anzstadium.com.au/the-stadium/anz-stadium-redevelopment/better-transport-lively-precinct/

There is no where else in Sydney that you could put a stadium and have better access via rail and road. The only thing I would like to see is that you eliminate having to change trains at Lidcome and ensure trains to and from the city are there gameday.

The elimination of the lidcombe link is the biggest issue.

Once it's just part of the normal rail system it'll make a world of difference.

 

[franklin2323]

http://www.anzstadium.com.au/the-stadium/anz-stadium-redevelopment/better-transport-lively-precinct/

There is no where else in Sydney that you could put a stadium and have better access via rail and road. The only thing I would like to see is that you eliminate having to change trains at Lidcome and ensure trains to and from the city are there gameday.

That is the issue for most games you wait around so long to get home. Great staduim is one thing. Getting people in and out quickly is the next

 

[flamin]

Precisely what he was saying.

They want the SFS refurbed not rebuilt which means the bulk of the money will go to ANZ.

Refurb will be half the price of a rebuild.



That said it does surprise me they don't want a new stadium on the centennial parklands , that way they wouldn't need to move for three years.

Although I have the feeling centennial parklands has been ruled out due to the community backlash.

That's what I'm saying. Where have they said they don't want a new stadium? They've said they don't want a stadium built on the site of the current one but I haven't read anywhere that they only want a refurb of Allianz and the bulk of the money spent on ANZ. I believe that is why the new stadium is proposed to be built above Kippax lake and not on the same site.

For example:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...want-to-be-left-homeless-20151008-gk4ie5.html

"From Sydney FC's perspective we're extremely excited about the opportunity of running out and playing on a brand new state-of-the-art stadium at our spiritual home, Moore Park," Barlow said. "Nevertheless despite this enthusiasm, we are eager to sit down with the minister over the coming weeks to understand what the transition arrangements will be for the teams playing out of Allianz.

"I know in my conversations with the chairman of the Roosters [Nick Politis] and the chairman of the Waratahs [Roger Davis], we all share real concerns about the possibility of being displaced from our playing facilities for up to three years during the construction period and the impact that would have on our fans and financial bottom line."

 

[Captain Apollo]

Precisely what he was saying.

They want the SFS refurbed not rebuilt which means the bulk of the money will go to ANZ.

Refurb will be half the price of a rebuild..

Thanks for the backup. Obviously flamin could not comprehend what I wrote, which I thought was quite clear.

Also to reinforce what I said, I'll give this link form back on 12 February 2016 of this year - http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...n/news-story/4a71863dc641507c2d91d3f8045785da

There are plenty of similar articles with directly attributable quotes on this to be found.

 

[herbert henry1908]

That's what I'm saying. Where have they said they don't want a new stadium and want the money spent on ANZ instead? They've said they don't want a new stadium built on the site of the current one but I haven't read anywhere that they only want a refurb of Allianz and the bulk of the money spent on ANZ. I believe that is why the new stadium is proposed to be built above Kippax lake and not on the same site.

For example:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...want-to-be-left-homeless-20151008-gk4ie5.html

I don't think they've said it per se

But a refurb of Allianz will mean the bulk of the money gets spent on ANZ.

The kippax lake/centennial parklands proposal seems like a non starter , community backlash was strong when first proposed.

 

[flamin]

Thanks for the backup. Obviously flamin could not comprehend what I wrote, which I though was quite clear.

Also to reinforce what I said, I'll give this link form back on 12 February 2016 of this year - http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...n/news-story/4a71863dc641507c2d91d3f8045785da

There are plenty of similar articles with directly attributable quotes on this to be found.

Yes I've read that article. And again I've read nothing that says those 3 clubs are opposed to a new stadium. What they're worried about is not having a home for 3 years. As Politis says in the very article you quoted:

“The only thing that matters to us - as well as Sydney FC and the Waratahs, because we’re all together on this - is that if the new stadium is to be built, we will have to go somewhere for three years.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Well they do have the scg next door with the option of taking some games to anz and other stadiums around Sydney/NSW. They just need to think outside the square.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Yes I've read that article. And again I've read nothing that says those 3 clubs are opposed to a new stadium. What they're worried about is not having a home for 3 years. As Politis says in the very article you quoted:

Mate again , kippax lake isn't going to happen.

Therefore they'd prefer just a refurb to the current stadium than a rebuild on the same site.

Ipso facto most money would go to ANZ.

 

[JamesRustle]

The billions spent on stadiums will be wasted as long as infrastructure is not properly upgraded. ANZ has terrible options to get in and out, SFS is worse.

The NRL and Sydney is trying to replicate the AFL and Melbourne's stadium rationalization policy. But it is missing they key ingredient that made it work in Melbourne. Melbourne's public transport and road infrastructure is on another world compared to Sydney. I feel not enough people in the NRL and NSW government realize this.

I take it you don't live in Melbourne.

Granted the stadiums are close to CBD and PT, but the road access and issues created on match day are a joke. Impacts on those trying to get in/out of the sports precinct and those caught up on the nearby arterials.

 

[Dogs Of War]

I take it you don't live in Melbourne.

Granted the stadiums are close to CBD and PT, but the road access and issues created on match day are a joke. Impacts on those trying to get in/out of the sports precinct and those caught up on the nearby arterials.

He doesn't even live in Sydney.

 

[BunniesMan]

I take it you don't live in Melbourne.

Granted the stadiums are close to CBD and PT, but the road access and issues created on match day are a joke. Impacts on those trying to get in/out of the sports precinct and those caught up on the nearby arterials.

The only people who complain about Melbourne infrastructure are those who don't know how bad it is in Sydney. It's easier to drive to and from MCG/AAMI than it is to drive to and from ANZ/SFS.

 

[flamin]

Mate again , kippax lake isn't going to happen.

Therefore they'd prefer just a refurb to the current stadium than a rebuild on the same site.

Ipso facto most money would go to ANZ.

Mate I was merely asking for a source that "the Roosters, Sydney FC and the Waratahs are all on record as saying they would prefer the bulk of the money spent on ANZ with a staged refurbishment of the SFS" when there are examples showing those clubs are supportive of a new stadium but have reservations about where they'd play in the meantime.

 

[herbert henry1908]

They absolutely haven't said it in those terms , but it's the end result of what they want.

 

[Perth Red]

Given there are more teams based at ANZ, and all big events are held at that stadium (SoO, NRL Finals, premium soccer games, premium Union tests), it seems silly to spend the bulk of the money on new stadium to be used by 3 teams (Sydney FC, Waratahs and Roosters), while the big events at ANZ suffer still from the way the stadium is setup. If you make the experience better at ANZ, and we have seen how much crowds have grow up to this point for teams that have relocated to ANZ (Souths is a great example given they moved from the SFS to ANZ), that it only makes sense to ensure this ground is the best it can be.

Really it's either provide the extra $200mil to do both grounds, or just refurbish SFS (which is why the outrage as those 3 teams have well connected stakeholders who don't want to be displaced while a refurbishment happens) and spend the bulk of the money on ANZ. With a possible light rail from Parra going to homebush in the future, it may be even easier for big crowds to get to games.

Don't fool yourself. Clubs are playing at ANZ as it is guaranteed esy cash for them. if sfs offered a better deal they would move there in a heartbeat.

 

[Perth Red]

Doesn't SFS have those things? Yet you can't get in an out of that place easy.

We play a winter sport usually at night. It's a great walk I will do it on Sunday. If it was a Thursday night with kids in rain/cold maybe not.

I think ANZ has the best setup for getting in and out of. Just the viewing that's that issue

And the size. It is too big for 95% of club games

 

[Dogs Of War]

Don't fool yourself. Clubs are playing at ANZ as it is guaranteed esy cash for them. if sfs offered a better deal they would move there in a heartbeat.

So what's that say to you? If we agree to pump the money into the sfs, clubs won't be offered good deals to play at what would then be the premier venue. Yeah that's something nrl clubs should get behind. :roll:

 

[JamesRustle]

The billions spent on stadiums will be wasted as long as infrastructure is not properly upgraded. ANZ has terrible options to get in and out, SFS is worse.

The NRL and Sydney is trying to replicate the AFL and Melbourne's stadium rationalization policy. But it is missing they key ingredient that made it work in Melbourne. Melbourne's public transport and road infrastructure is on another world compared to Sydney. I feel not enough people in the NRL and NSW government realize this.

The only people who complain about Melbourne infrastructure are those who don't know how bad it is in Sydney. It's easier to drive to and from MCG/AAMI than it is to drive to and from ANZ/SFS.

Conversely you seem to swallow the rhetoric on Melbourne being some sort of perfect city. Have you driven to each of these stadiums recently? Or taken the train?

Are you removing PT from the equation?

Do you think having inbound traffic coming off the freeways and onto the 1-2 lane roads in and around the stadiums, clogging up intersections and hampering outbound traffic, is a pleasure to get caught up in?

All govts would prefer higher usage of PT. Sydney will benefit with better stadiums and PT from this. Hopefully the population embraces this.

 

[Saint Doc]

Langtree Park in StHelens cost $46mill AUD in 2010 to build.

Would be the perfect NRL stadium.

Even if it would cost $100mill...build one in Manly, one in Kogarah, one in Penrith, one I'm Campbelltown.

Upgrade SFS/ANZ (but no rebuilds)

Done