The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Chicken_Hunter]

I dont think there is any way to increase Suncorps capacity without completely rebuilding a stand or 2. could be wrong tho.

 

[beave]

Those upper corners at suncorp that raiderdave speaks of, have all the main roof support beams connecting to foundations, i don't think you can really do much in these areas.

Even if you extended this top end stand across all the way

I think the way the roof beams curve downwards, the people up the top will have the roof support beams somewhat in there eye line. Unfortunately, the western stand at Suncorp not being demolished and used in its current version, having all the other stands mirror its height so the roof is one continuous height the whole way around, has hindered the capacity somewhat. That and the fact the western side has suburbia and businesses right on its doorstep. Hindsight, i guess a 60-65k capacity would have been great but the only time it would get filled is for origin. But the way the ARLC have been charging $$$ for origin tickets, I don't think that is even a gimme this day and age.

 

[seanoff]

(Edit: I see you found the other answer on page 72)


I think we'd need to hear from an engineer/architect.

But from what I can gather many things can still be used. take the exit ramps for example , if you moved the mains stands in you'd just need to bridge the difference to the ramps.

I imagine parts of the roofing structure could be re-used too. Many other aspects could be recycled to give you a cheaper rebuild than what you'd get from just demolishing.

Effectively the 700m-800m is a modified rebuild , there just isn't the money to demolish and start again.

The roof of ANZ is supported by the massive arches that run the length of the stadium.

grr inserting images on an iPad not as easy as it should be

Pretty much the roof hangs off that structure. It's supported in a minor way around the perimeter but putting temp supports there is pretty simple.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

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Suncorp will need to have its strange top tier corner ends filled in increasing its capacity to 60,000 & it can host them both.

Touching on what Beave said, the roof of Suncorp actually holds up level 7. I think they chose this as opposed to underground foundations due to the old Lang Park cemetery?

I would love them to knock down level 6 western and make the stadium symmetrical. That could probably take it to 62ish.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/i...Leadwide.620x349.gnuzq3.png/1459410444428.jpg

I love this picture of ANZ. Upper tiers will still be shit, but the lower bowl said to have degree similar to Suncorp.

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

Touching on what Beave said, the roof of Suncorp actually holds up level 7. I think they chose this as opposed to underground foundations due to the old Lang Park cemetery?

I would love them to knock down level 6 western and make the stadium symmetrical. That could probably take it to 62ish.

I think eventually something like this would have to happen. 62-65k would be the sweet spot IMO. But the QLD govt is very broke so it wont happen.

 

[herbert henry1908]

http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/i...Leadwide.620x349.gnuzq3.png/1459410444428.jpg

I love this picture of ANZ. Upper tiers will still be shit, but the lower bowl said to have degree similar to Suncorp.

Upper decks will move closer too.

 

[herbert henry1908]

New proposal from some clubs would see Pirtek stadium upgrade abandoned in favour of money going to other suburban grounds

http://ow.ly/10cMpU

This'll set the cat amongst the pigeons

 

[BunniesMan]

I can see the dinosaur clubs ruining this to the point where the government walks away entirely. They are delusional if they think they will get hundreds of millions for every suburban stadium.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The new proposal in short is (as the story admits though it's highly unlikely due to the advanced planning for Pirtek)

$1billion for ANZ
$300m for Allianz
$200m spread amongst other grounds
Pirtek rebuild abandoned

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$25m to each suburban ground doesn't buy much , coat of paint really.

However abandoning Pirtek rebuild may not be the craziest idea ever , particularly from a rugby league perspective.

Parra & ANZ are so close do you really need both? Especially given if you could build ANZ properly it will cater to club games well.

Maybe the money for Parra would be better spent between a southern & northern stadium?

Parra fans will hate it but it's a lot shorter trip from parra to ANZ than it is from northern beaches to Allianz (or Gosford)

 

[CC_Roosters]

I can see the dinosaur clubs ruining this to the point where the government walks away entirely. They are delusional if they think they will get hundreds of millions for every suburban stadium.

The clubs have every right to oppose ayers and the NRL on this matter. They and the fans of the clubs are the most affected by the coming decisions. The only ones ruining anything are the minister ayers and the SCGT interests pushing the unwanted moore park new build.

The money should be focused primarily on making ANZ a purpose built rectangular ground then refurbishments to the SFS, Parra and brooky as strategic secondary stadiums.

I fully support the clubs position on all of this and shame on the NRL for not backing them and pursuing Ayers/SCGT agenda in the process. With the commitments for content the government are chasing i really dont like the pressure its going to put on bush/road games in the future. If the clubs are contractually obliged to play games at the big 3 then a minority at the suburban stadia then they will be reluctant to send games outside of sydney. This will see wollongong, gosford and the regional centres suffer from a lack of content and given that is not much to begin with there is risk of it being a big fat zero when the dust settles.

Perfect scenario imo is
Bulldogs, souths 11 games at ANZ with one road game each
Tigers 8 games at ANZ with 2 each at the suburban grounds
Parra 11 games at refurbed pirtek with ine road game
Roosters 8 games at allianz,4 at gosford
Dragons 8 games at allianz or ANZ and 4 in the gong
Sharks 12 games at shark park phased development for upgraded seated grandstands
Manly 12 games at refurbed brooky
Penrith 9 games at penrith and 3 games at parra stadium

 

[BlueandGold]

New proposal from some clubs would see Pirtek stadium upgrade abandoned in favour of money going to other suburban grounds

http://ow.ly/10cMpU

This'll set the cat amongst the pigeons

Chances of that happening are virtually 0. :lol:

It appears any push to prevent Pirtek Stadium from being rebuilt is destined to fail, as preparations to begin construction at the end of the NRL season have progressed too far.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...an-grounds-20160402-gnwrcj.html#ixzz44fEJBOnc

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[Perth Red]

Lol, it's not hard to see why Sydney clubs are bye and large screwed. Their lack of vision is staggering. Wtf do they think $25million is going to buy them?

If anything, and no way the govt is buying this model, they would be better:

Rebuilt western Sydney stadium at parra for eels, Bulldogs and tigers 26 games
New Moore park stadium for dragons, roosters, Souths 26 games
Leave ANZ as is and play one Sunday afternoon game a week there 26 games

Use the ANZ upgrade money to build new manly stadium, new main stand at Cronulla, new main stand at gong and what's left on Penrith stadium

 

[Delboy]

Pirtek is a dual sport stadium with tenants playing there 12 months a year

It's up to clubs to put their idea forward, but I can't see how any of these ideas can impact on the stadium at Parramatta. We all seem to agree that the rebuild at Allianz is uncalled for , but it's in the city where a lot of influential people think is the only place in Sydney

 

[BlueandGold]

The clubs have every right to oppose ayers and the NRL on this matter. They and the fans of the clubs are the most affected by the coming decisions. The only ones ruining anything are the minister ayers and the SCGT interests pushing the unwanted moore park new build.

The money should be focused primarily on making ANZ a purpose built rectangular ground then refurbishments to the SFS, Parra and brooky as strategic secondary stadiums.

I fully support the clubs position on all of this and shame on the NRL for not backing them and pursuing Ayers/SCGT agenda in the process. With the commitments for content the government are chasing i really dont like the pressure its going to put on bush/road games in the future. If the clubs are contractually obliged to play games at the big 3 then a minority at the suburban stadia then they will be reluctant to send games outside of sydney. This will see wollongong, gosford and the regional centres suffer from a lack of content and given that is not much to begin with there is risk of it being a big fat zero when the dust settles.

Perfect scenario imo is
Bulldogs, souths 11 games at ANZ with one road game each
Tigers 8 games at ANZ with 2 each at the suburban grounds
Parra 11 games at refurbed pirtek with ine road game
Roosters 8 games at allianz,4 at gosford
Dragons 8 games at allianz or ANZ and 4 in the gong
Sharks 12 games at shark park phased development for upgraded seated grandstands
Manly 12 games at refurbed brooky
Penrith 9 games at penrith and 3 games at parra stadium

Everything you say is spot on. If Alliance goes ahead with a full rebuild that will be a travesty for the NRL and sport in general in NSW.

700-800m to ANZ with a roof.
200-300m for refurbish of Alliance with a roof.
300m for Pirtek already locked in due to WSW and Eels making this stadium financially viable into the future.

Sydney FC crowd less then 10k just tonight and they want a f ing new stadium...:lol:


CROWD DATE SPORT EVENT 24,975 29/03/16 Football WCQ: Socceroos v Jordan 12,271 26/03/16 Rugby League NRL: Roosters v Sea Eagles 22,347 18/03/16 Rugby Union Super Rugby: Waratahs v Highlanders 10,235 12/03/16 Football A-League: Sydney v Wellington 25,125 06/03/16 Rugby League NRL: Roosters v Rabbitohs 18,149 02/03/16 Football ACL: Sydney FC v Guangzhou Evergrande 24,044 27/02/16 Rugby Union Super Rugby: Waratahs v Reds 40,382 20/02/16 Football A-League: Sydney v Western Sydney 11,559 13/02/16 Football A-League: Sydney v Perth Glory

37,095 07/02/16 Rugby Union 2016 Sydney 7s: Day 2 36,218 06/02/16 Rugby Union 2016 Sydney 7s: Day 1 This event happens once every decade.

12,548 30/01/16 Football A-League: Sydney v Brisbane 12,648 26/12/15 Football A-League: Sydney v Central Coast 9,155 04/12/15 Football A-League: Sydney v Newcastle 9,253 26/11/15 Football A-League: Sydney v Wellington

Look at this shit, 45k is to big as is, just a refurbish and roof.

http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/index.php?a=view

Allaince
2015 CROWDS
Total: 665,434
Average: 17,985
Highest: 40,539

ANZ
2015 CROWDS
Total: 1,326,105
Average: 28,828
Highest: 83,598

 

[CC_Roosters]

Everything you say is spot on. If Alliance goes ahead with a full rebuild that will be a travesty for the NRL and sport in general in NSW.

700-800m to ANZ with a roof.
200-300m for refurbish of Alliance with a roof.
300m for Pirtek already locked in due to WSW and Eels making this stadium financially viable into the future.

Sydney FC crowd less then 10k just tonight and they want a f ing new stadium...:lol:


CROWD DATE SPORT EVENT 24,975 29/03/16 Football WCQ: Socceroos v Jordan 12,271 26/03/16 Rugby League NRL: Roosters v Sea Eagles 22,347 18/03/16 Rugby Union Super Rugby: Waratahs v Highlanders 10,235 12/03/16 Football A-League: Sydney v Wellington 25,125 06/03/16 Rugby League NRL: Roosters v Rabbitohs 18,149 02/03/16 Football ACL: Sydney FC v Guangzhou Evergrande 24,044 27/02/16 Rugby Union Super Rugby: Waratahs v Reds 40,382 20/02/16 Football A-League: Sydney v Western Sydney 11,559 13/02/16 Football A-League: Sydney v Perth Glory

37,095 07/02/16 Rugby Union 2016 Sydney 7s: Day 2 36,218 06/02/16 Rugby Union 2016 Sydney 7s: Day 1 This event happens once every decade.

12,548 30/01/16 Football A-League: Sydney v Brisbane 12,648 26/12/15 Football A-League: Sydney v Central Coast 9,155 04/12/15 Football A-League: Sydney v Newcastle 9,253 26/11/15 Football A-League: Sydney v Wellington

Look at this shit, 45k is to big as is, just a refurbish and roof.

http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/index.php?a=view

Allaince
2015 CROWDS
Total: 665,434
Average: 17,985
Highest: 40,539

ANZ
2015 CROWDS
Total: 1,326,105
Average: 28,828
Highest: 83,598

The stats prove its ANZ first, daylight second, third and fourth then the SFS. Get stuffed Ayers/SCGT dinosaurs

 

[JonnoM]

Build this!!!!!!

 

[applesauce]

The NSW is trying to limit the future cost of stadium upgrades by amalgamating teams in 3 major stadia. What the f**k are the NRL clubs thinking by keeping these (COSTLY) suburban grounds running!?!?!

 

[beave]

Could manly move to the central coast permanently?

I've lived in Sydney for 10 years and I know how much of a pain it is for the manly locals to get to games outside of their area, moving games to Allianz and ANZ is not going to work. I know Gosford is even further away but would the CC locals be behind the team enough to warrant a full time move there (properly this time) along with the manly die hards? I just can't see brooky getting enough coin to do it up substantially. The joint is terrible.

 

[CC_Roosters]

Could manly move to the central coast permanently?

I've lived in Sydney for 10 years and I know how much of a pain it is for the manly locals to get to games outside of their area, moving games to Allianz and ANZ is not going to work. I know Gosford is even further away but would the CC locals be behind the team enough to warrant a full time move there (properly this time) along with the manly die hards? I just can't see brooky getting enough coin to do it up substantially. The joint is terrible.

Never going to happen their chance has come and gone. The roosers are making a genuine effort in the grassroots of the region and now provide the nrl pathway for the coast. We have one game and a trial at the moment but ino this will turn into more games in the near future.

With challenges of travel in and out of the northern beaches making life difficult for fans to reach major stadia with reasonable effort i dont think it is too big an ask to tip money into the place for a new all seater grandstand on the hill. I bet if it happened manly could then sell out a majority of the capacity with memberships in advance.