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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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Langtree Park in StHelens cost $46mill AUD in 2010 to build.

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Would be the perfect NRL stadium.

Even if it would cost $100mill...build one in Manly, one in Kogarah, one in Penrith, one I'm Campbelltown.

Upgrade SFS/ANZ (but no rebuilds)

Done


Yep, the best possibile way forward is for each club to have their own all seater boutique stadiums. But it will never ever ever happen now.
 

Perth Red

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Given the NRL has pretty much given up on growing crowds why are they even worrying about new stadiums? There is no current NRL ground that is anywhere close to being at capacity every game. Given the games willingness to sell itself to tv no matter the cost some cheap flat pack 18-20k stadiums would do most clubs.
 

pHyR3

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Given the NRL has pretty much given up on growing crowds why are they even worrying about new stadiums? There is no current NRL ground that is anywhere close to being at capacity every game. Given the games willingness to sell itself to tv no matter the cost some cheap flat pack 18-20k stadiums would do most clubs.

to make the stadiums better and attract more people.

roofed and rectangular alone would help boost averages at ANZ by a few thousand at that ground i reckon. combine that with more games there would take them away from crapholes like leichardt that average 10k these days
 
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The following article was published this evening on the Sydney Morning Herald's website -

NRL and clubs fail to end stalemate over Sydney stadium plan

Date: April 1, 2016 - 6:23PM
by Michael Chammas
Sports reporter

The NRL has sought an extension from the NSW government after failing to meet the deadline for a 65-game stadium commitment from the Sydney clubs to play at the major stadiums.

It comes as the clubs opposed to the NRL and sports minister Stuart Ayres' plans to build a new stadium at Moore Park found an ally in former league boss turned FFA chief David Gallop, who has backed the clubs' campaign to ensure ANZ Stadium receives the majority of funding.

"FFA has taken a consistent position since the start of the stadia strategy debate in NSW," FFA chief executive David Gallop told Fairfax Media.

"Our first preference was funding for a new stadium at Parramatta, which has been achieved largely due to the popularity of the Wanderers. Next on the list is an overhaul to make ANZ Stadium a world-class rectangular venue and of course Allianz Stadium needs a thorough renovation.

"Western Sydney is where football and for that matter rugby league have many supporters, so it makes sense to develop modern stadia they can easily access. In my experience, it was always problematic to expect fans from the Northern Beaches, the Shire, Campbelltown and Penrith to travel across the city to watch their clubs. Travel in Sydney is tough."

At a meeting between club powerbrokers at Canterbury Leagues Club on Friday, the clubs presented their priorities for funding and were unable to commit to the 65 games the NRL was confident of gaining by the end of this week. The clubs also raised a need for the investment into the dilapidated training facilities available to some organisations, with a hope of also securing funding for the run-down suburban grounds.

The failure to gain the 65-game commitment has left the NRL in a precarious position after Ayres demanded a commitment before April 1 in order to go to treasury to release funds for the development of Sydney's new stadium landscape. However Fairfax Media understands Ayres has granted the extension despite a threat of the $1.6 billion investment being taken off the table if the NRL failed to play ball.

While the meeting was meant to be a clubs-only gathering, NRL head of strategy and investment Andrew Fraser requested to attend in the hope of securing the final few games needed to reach the magic figure.

However the clubs are not in a position to make such significant decisions and require further deliberation with their respective boards before they reach an agreement.

It was a meeting that posed more questions than answers, with one of the main sticking points being a disagreement between most of the Sydney clubs and the NRL, who are hellbent on following through on plans to build a new 55,000-seat stadium at Moore Park. The clubs want priority to be shifted towards transforming ANZ Stadium into a permanent rectangular venue with a 75,000 capacity ($700 million).

Such an investment would likely mean no new stadium at Moore Park, but would leave Allianz Stadium with $400 million for a major makeover.

"Following today's meeting with the Sydney clubs, a resolution on the content rugby league can deliver to the governments proposed new stadia network has not been finalised," an NRL spokesperson said.

It comes just a couple of days after the NRL tried to adopt a divide and conquer approach in its battle with the clubs over the allocation of funding.

Fairfax Media reported on Friday that the NRL was using previous financial assistance to Cronulla and Manly as leverage to get the clubs to oppose rival Sydney franchises and back plans for a new stadium at Moore Park.

A spokesperson for Ayres said: "The NRL has informed the Government they are still working with clubs and have sought more time. We will meet with them early next week."
 

yadamisha

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Langtree Park in StHelens cost $46mill AUD in 2010 to build.

st_helens_stadium1.jpg


st_helens_stadium2.jpg


Would be the perfect NRL stadium.

Even if it would cost $100mill...build one in Manly, one in Kogarah, one in Penrith, one I'm Campbelltown.

Upgrade SFS/ANZ (but no rebuilds)

Done

and one in Cronulla - Problem solved fans happy. Hang on............
 

Perth Red

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to make the stadiums better and attract more people.

roofed and rectangular alone would help boost averages at ANZ by a few thousand at that ground i reckon. combine that with more games there would take them away from crapholes like leichardt that average 10k these days

Won't make hardly any difference if we persist with kick off times and days that make attending games extremely challenging for families.
 

Perth Red

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NRL are so dumb. The $1.5mill a year extra hand out could have been tied to appearances at centralised stadiums. I'm pretty sure if NRL put up $150k a game they would have no problems getting 65 games agreed to. Even better would have been an NRL strategy for a Friday night at new Moore park and Sunday afternoon at ANZ every weekend featuring two Sydney games of the week. At some point it would be nice to see the NRL actually provide some leadership to the games issues. I guess Richo must have skipped this in his year long strategic planning for the game?
 
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Why is the NSW govt so stubborn with this. Surely the recommendations from 3 different codes has some sort of weight? Why do they want to do something that none of the prospective tenants want? Seems to me that Ayres is gonne get some brown paper bags full of cash if the new moore park stadium goes ahead. That really is the only reason i can see as to why he is being so stubborn.
 
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Why is the NSW govt so stubborn with this. Surely the recommendations from 3 different codes has some sort of weight? Why do they want to do something that none of the prospective tenants want? Seems to me that Ayres is gonne get some brown paper bags full of cash if the new moore park stadium goes ahead. That really is the only reason i can see as to why he is being so stubborn.


Don't think it's so much the govt , more just Ayres.

The Allianz stadium proposal was all set for the go ahead until the clubs stepped in & the premier started listening.

I think though it has a lot to do with the SCG trust being a very powerful lobby , lots of business interests on that board.



The bigger question is why is the NRL so attached to the Allianz proposal?
 

BlueandGold

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Why is the NSW govt so stubborn with this. Surely the recommendations from 3 different codes has some sort of weight? Why do they want to do something that none of the prospective tenants want? Seems to me that Ayres is gonne get some brown paper bags full of cash if the new moore park stadium goes ahead. That really is the only reason i can see as to why he is being so stubborn.


The only stadiums with a chance at a good return on Govt investment is Pirtek and ANZ. Those are the only stadiums that make financial sense to spend that sort of money.

Alliance just needs a facelift and a roof.
 
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Raiderdave

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Design rules probably limit you to 33 - 35 degrees. If you've been to the top deck of ANZ or the MCG they are that steep and quite steep enough. The bernebau and camp nou have 45 degree tiers. They are so steep that they have to put barriers in front of each seat and are in f**k that territory.

You have to trade off height for distance as well. If you make it super steep on every level the people on level 2 and 3 end up a huge distance vertically from the playing surface. Also the people on level 1 don't need as steep a rake to see the whole field.

I still don't understand how the shell of the existing ANZ can be used as the base of this new rectangle venue.
You can't move the permanent level 6's on either side any closer to a playing surface running north/ south. Even if you improved the gradient in them , they will always be a mile away.

Just bulldoze the joint to the ground & start again
 

Raiderdave

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oops

question answered on page 72 :eek:

both stands & the ends to be essentially demolished & reconstructed closer to each other & the playing surface on a better gradient
so it will for all intents & purposes be a brand new venue under this plan anyway ;-)

make it happen.
It means Sydney may miss out a couple of Grand Finals while the construction work is being done
Suncorp will need to have its strange top tier corner ends filled in increasing its capacity to 60,000 & it can host them both.

Origins to Melbourne , Perth & even Adelaide in this period
 
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Raiderdave

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so a timeline

lets say the clubs get their way with some more negotiation in the coming weeks
that being refurb to Allianz
complete re construction of ANZ
construction on the new Parramatta venue begins in September this year in time for the 2019 season.

Whats to stop the staged upgrade of Allianz being done at around the same time & being completed at the same time ?
Then work can commence on ANZ after the 2018 NRL Grand Final
Suncorp can get some work done on it in preparation for the 2019 & 2020 NRL Grand Finals during 2017 ..18 & 19

with a new purpose built rectangle 75 to 80K seat venue at Hombush complete & ready for the 2021 season

all done
no thanks required :D
 

Pommy

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Won't make hardly any difference if we persist with kick off times and days that make attending games extremely challenging for families.

That's such a cop out. How many EPL, CL and whatever they're calling the minor UEFA competition this week games start at 8pm or thereabouts Monday-Thursday in driving rain through winter in England. Still stacks of families go especially to the UEFA games as the tickets are normally cheaper. All this talk about kids turning in to pumpkins if they're not in bed by 6pm is an excuse for people who don't really want to go themselves.
 
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I still don't understand how the shell of the existing ANZ can be used as the base of this new rectangle venue.
You can't move the permanent level 6's on either side any closer to a playing surface running north/ south. Even if you improved the gradient in them , they will always be a mile away.

Just bulldoze the joint to the ground & start again

(Edit: I see you found the other answer on page 72)


I think we'd need to hear from an engineer/architect.

But from what I can gather many things can still be used. take the exit ramps for example , if you moved the mains stands in you'd just need to bridge the difference to the ramps.

I imagine parts of the roofing structure could be re-used too. Many other aspects could be recycled to give you a cheaper rebuild than what you'd get from just demolishing.

Effectively the 700m-800m is a modified rebuild , there just isn't the money to demolish and start again.
 

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