The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[BlueandGold]

I can see Bankwest, the new SFS and ANZ( whenever)
giving a huge boost to NRL and A league crowds ,and even Union.
It just bugs me ,we haven't had these bells and whistle stadiums in place years ago.We wouldn't be whining about crowds .
Govt's/sport administrators of the past in Sydney need to hang their heads in shame.

Its what happens when you get a useless NSW labor running the show for 16 years.

Labor are experts at giving oval codes new stadiums while letting the rectangular codes venues rot.

 

[Timbo]

I think the odds of substantial upgrades outside of the Moore Park/Olympic Park/Parramatta cluster coming out of the public purse will be increasingly rare as time goes on.

Add to that the escalating costs of upgrades, like what's been announced at Brookvale. $30 million and it'll still be the worst ground in the league by a margin.

I can conceivably see money being diverted to either Penrith or Campbelltown in future as those areas are booming, but I don't really like the odds of other suburban grounds receiving any money from state or federal authorities - certainly not enough to make a difference like we suggest here - as time moves forward.

 

[taipan]

Yes totally agree, it needs NRL support, stick and carrot approach. Time to improve and NRL support with political lobbying, grant applications and even loans or co investment from the game.

10-12 years too long imo. NRL will go through alot of leadership changes in that time and clubs will hang off doing anything in the hope the next leadership changes its mind. Id set 5 years for improvements and a clear plan for achieving the criteria. Doesn't have to be finished in 5 years but must be a realistic commitment to do so within a reasonable timeframe. You get more leeway if you've actually done something in the 5 years. So id Shark Park got a new main stand but not yet sorted the end out then that would be a consideration in more time being given.

Look Gus Gould works on 5,10,15 year plans since subject to annual amendment


If I were an architect and thank that industry I'm not,I would extend the western ET stand either side to the in goal and wrap around to the Southern Monty Porter Stand on one end.
And in the open stand attached to the Leagues club, have that under cover, and extend one of its sides in a wrap around to the other side of the Monty Porter Southern stand, with more tiered seating further down.That firstly creates some sort of stadium horseshoe ala the New Cowboys one, but not as high class as it's an all in one structure..
The hill, for the ground to achieve a 20-25,000 seating capacity ,cannot IMO remain a grassy knoll.That needs a modern stand(all seater) with facilities families for women and families and complete cover all the way down to the fence.It may just make 20,000 all seater, but it will improve crowd averages, memberships,and the custom of the attached leagues club and retail centre with the adjoining 880 units plus hotel.
Something may well be done in the next 5 years>. do know a centre of Excellence money has been granted by the state Govt ,that can form part of the wrap around to the western side.
The guys running the club now, appear to be looking at all avenues to increase revenue, such as having a home game played in another city to maximise gate income.

 

[taipan]

Its what happens when you get a useless NSW labor running the show for 16 years.

Labor are experts at giving oval codes new stadiums while letting the rectangular codes venues rot.

But Ms Keneally the former Premier, whilst having a hopeless team, is photogenic.

Trouble is the oval codes are so dominant in the Southern states and squirt in their state and Fed govt pockets, they are better at lobbying than our timid lot, ever since I can remember.They don't get the FitzSimons who are able to get so much column space and petitions to stop this sport of thing.
Decades ago there was talk at rl headquarters off a new you beaut stadium at the St Peters brick yards thereabouts.
And remember the code had their building in Phillip Street which at one stage was worth a motza,and the code ended up with stuff all for many reasons.Some one in the know can spell out the story but to me it ended up a real cluster Donald Duck.
We should have had the balls to ensure the ANZ stadium was reconfigured to rectangular,the sides brought in and extended cover, but the Labor mob let AFL get under our guard.

If Daley had got in,Sydney RL would still be living in the 70s re stadiums.

 

[taipan]

I think the odds of substantial upgrades outside of the Moore Park/Olympic Park/Parramatta cluster coming out of the public purse will be increasingly rare as time goes on.

Add to that the escalating costs of upgrades, like what's been announced at Brookvale. $30 million and it'll still be the worst ground in the league by a margin.

I can conceivably see money being diverted to either Penrith or Campbelltown in future as those areas are booming, but I don't really like the odds of other suburban grounds receiving any money from state or federal authorities - certainly not enough to make a difference like we suggest here - as time moves forward.

That's why IMO the new Sharks Leagues club is so important, and the new retail area.

Agree Govt's will not be pouring hundreds of millions into these suburban grounds.That's why I believe you need more than 5 years being the limit, to get it done.
I'm not sure what extension costs for stands at Shark Park would be I doubt it would be over $100m.
A complete new stand to replace the hill, different matter.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I think the odds of substantial upgrades outside of the Moore Park/Olympic Park/Parramatta cluster coming out of the public purse will be increasingly rare as time goes on.

Add to that the escalating costs of upgrades, like what's been announced at Brookvale. $30 million and it'll still be the worst ground in the league by a margin.

I can conceivably see money being diverted to either Penrith or Campbelltown in future as those areas are booming, but I don't really like the odds of other suburban grounds receiving any money from state or federal authorities - certainly not enough to make a difference like we suggest here - as time moves forward.

Agree. I think moving forward we’ll mainly end up with two types of ground- your big modern grounds at Moore Park/Parra/Homebush and your legacy suburban ground like North Sydney, Leichhardt, Redfern and Henson that are used for lower grade and community events. Albo has announced 5M for an upgrade of Henson if fed Labor get in which will be great for the local community. But keeping the NRL grade suburban grounds like Brookie, Shark Park, Kogarah and Penrith up to snuff with a single tenant is going to become progressively more difficult.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Is that seat associated with standing seats for the soccer, or part of some other event space?

Makes you wonder why they installed seats behind a concrete wall.

I’m guessing it’s an area that’ll be used for corporate packages where people are schmoozing and drinking free piss as much as they’re actually watching the game.

 

[Captain Apollo]

But Ms Keneally the former Premier, whilst having a hopeless team, is photogenic.

Trouble is the oval codes are so dominant in the Southern states and squirt in their state and Fed govt pockets, they are better at lobbying than our timid lot, ever since I can remember.They don't get the FitzSimons who are able to get so much column space and petitions to stop this sport of thing.
Decades ago there was talk at rl headquarters off a new you beaut stadium at the St Peters brick yards thereabouts.

The whole idea for the stadium at St Peters fell away after they made the man behind the proposal, then NSWRL President Bill Buckley, was appointed a trustee of the SCG in 1965. The plan, mooted in 1964, was for a 120,000 seat stadium, with 90,000 of them under cover. It was costed at 8 million pounds.

 

[Perth Red]

I think the odds of substantial upgrades outside of the Moore Park/Olympic Park/Parramatta cluster coming out of the public purse will be increasingly rare as time goes on.

Add to that the escalating costs of upgrades, like what's been announced at Brookvale. $30 million and it'll still be the worst ground in the league by a margin.

I can conceivably see money being diverted to either Penrith or Campbelltown in future as those areas are booming, but I don't really like the odds of other suburban grounds receiving any money from state or federal authorities - certainly not enough to make a difference like we suggest here - as time moves forward.

That's why clubs and councils need to get outside the boxes. My club in UK got an EU grant to build an apprenticeship training centre. They incorporated into a new north stand, voila new all seated stand for very little club outlay. We are now exploring a partnership with a hotel group to build a hotel at south end of stadium which will also incorporate a new stand on the backside of it.
CofE funding, retail options, hotels, apartments, LC expansions etc can be incorporated into the architecture to pay for stadium rebuilding in these smaller suburban stadiums.

 

[Omott91]

That's why clubs and councils need to get outside the boxes. My club in UK got an EU grant to build an apprenticeship training centre. They incorporated into a new north stand, voila new all seated stand for very little club outlay. We are now exploring a partnership with a hotel group to build a hotel at south end of stadium which will also incorporate a new stand on the backside of it.
CofE funding, retail options, hotels, apartments, LC expansions etc can be incorporated into the architecture to pay for stadium rebuilding in these smaller suburban stadiums.

Out of curiosity which ground and team is that?

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

According to BankWest stadium they won’t be selling these seats.

What a disaster ha

 

[herbert henry1908]

What a disaster ha

Wouldn’t go that far, doesn’t seem to be a huge deal.

 

[Timbo]

What a disaster ha

A disaster would be the stadium catching fire.

This is slightly poor design effecting a handful of seats that seem to be attached to a corporate zone where the majority would stand anyway.

 

[Perth Red]

Out of curiosity which ground and team is that?

Hull KR

This was the north stand basically built for free courtesy of the EU and employment opportunity grants. The education/training centre is the blue building to the left.

 

[Perth Red]

A disaster would be the stadium catching fire.

This is slightly poor design effecting a handful of seats that seem to be attached to a corporate zone where the majority would stand anyway.

EVERY stadium has some restricted view seats. Happened at Optus, media made a big deal of it, stadium said they weren't going to be selling them anyway or at a very much reduced price. Media just loves ot find a bad news story in any good news opportunity!

 

[Foreign Legion]

election..promised to upgrade concord oval for the west tigers

 

[unforgiven]

election..promised to upgrade concord oval for the west tigers

Yes labor has promised the remainder of the money needed for the Tigers COE.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

Wouldn’t go that far, doesn’t seem to be a huge deal.

A disaster would be the stadium catching fire.

This is slightly poor design effecting a handful of seats that seem to be attached to a corporate zone where the majority would stand anyway.

Hence the “ha” fellas. I would sit there if I had to.

It is a pretty bad design flaw, though.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

election..promised to upgrade concord oval for the west tigers

How many second tier grade grounds do the tigers need?

 

[unforgiven]

How many second tier grade grounds do the tigers need?

Its their COE funding!