The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[magpie_man]

Also, on the Moore Park upgrades: I think the rationale behind the NSW Government's push for this seemingly superfluous rebuild is that, very soon, Sydney will be the only major Australian city without a world class stadium within relative close proximity to the CBD (see Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane and, soon, Perth).
This is simply a case of keeping up with the Joneses.

 

[adamkungl]

Also, on the Moore Park upgrades: I think the rationale behind the NSW Government's push for this seemingly superfluous rebuild is that, very soon, Sydney will be the only major Australian city without a world class stadium within relative close proximity to the CBD (see Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane and, soon, Perth).
This is simply a case of keeping up with the Joneses.

And it is important for Sydneys biggest and (ideally) best city to have world class entertainment facilities. But not at the cost of those who actually use it.

Just build it over the f**king lake and knock down the SFS afterwards

 

[magpie_man]

And it is important for Sydneys biggest and (ideally) best city to have world class entertainment facilities. But not at the cost of those who actually use it.

Just build it over the f**king lake and knock down the SFS afterwards

Yep, I don't understand the sudden, bloody-minded impulse for an upgrade rather than a rebuild either.
The only supposition that I can put forward is that there has been some sort of push from the Green quarter against building over the lake for environmental/ecological reasons.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Yep, I don't understand the sudden, bloody-minded impulse for an upgrade rather than a rebuild either.
The only supposition that I can put forward is that there has been some sort of push from the Green quarter against building over the lake for environmental/ecological reasons.

Wasn't the original proposal that the Moore Park Trust get the land where the SFS sits as a direct swap for the lake area? Then there's talk of a multi story car park going in the old SFS site. They've rightly become suspicious it's all nothing more than an SCG land grab.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Yep, I don't understand the sudden, bloody-minded impulse for an upgrade rather than a rebuild either.
The only supposition that I can put forward is that there has been some sort of push from the Green quarter against building over the lake for environmental/ecological reasons.

Think it's wider than just a green issue , there's a serious lack of open space in the inner city.

Now I don't propose knocking down buildings to create more , but it seems ridiculous to remove what there is. Particularly given people are moving back into the city in recent times.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Also, on the Moore Park upgrades: I think the rationale behind the NSW Government's push for this seemingly superfluous rebuild is that, very soon, Sydney will be the only major Australian city without a world class stadium within relative close proximity to the CBD (see Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane and, soon, Perth).
This is simply a case of keeping up with the Joneses.

The thing is Sydney just isn't set up like other centralised cities.

Adelaide , Brisbane & Perth are tiny in comparison , population wise but more importantly geographical size.

 

[adamkungl]

Think it's wider than just a green issue , there's a serious lack of open space in the inner city.

Now I don't propose knocking down buildings to create more , but it seems ridiculous to remove what there is. Particularly given people are moving back into the city in recent times.

Lets not delude ourselves, no one uses Kippax Lake for recreation. No one has picnics there, there's barely a duck to be seen in its grotty green filthwater.
The surrounding fields are used as a) a carpark and b) training fields for the Roosters Warriors and Swans.

If this was a debate about taking up a serious chunk of the actual Centennial Park, sure. But the area in question has no real community or ecological value.

 

[magpie_man]

Wasn't the original proposal that the Moore Park Trust get the land where the SFS sits as a direct swap for the lake area? Then there's talk of a multi story car park going in the old SFS site. They've rightly become suspicious it's all nothing more than an SCG land grab.

I don't know the area very well, but nothing would surprise me when it comes to the machinations of Sydney/NSW politics.

 

[Frank Discussion]

Lets not delude ourselves, no one uses Kippax Lake for recreation. No one has picnics there, there's barely a duck to be seen in its grotty green filthwater.
The surrounding fields are used as a) a carpark and b) training fields for the Roosters Warriors and Swans.

If this was a debate about taking up a serious chunk of the actual Centennial Park, sure. But the area in question has no real community or ecological value.

But once it's gone it's gone and the city really lacks green space and that's why there will be significant push back from the locals and Clovers mob. A refurb is a sensible idea. The stadium isn't that old (hey I played on the field on opening day that wasn't that long ago, right? RIGHT?) and could be made genuinely excellent without too much thought with the existing bones.

Put a light rail up to the joint and it will be sensational.

I can't believe state govt aren't pushing for this as an option over the more expensive rebuild. Well when you look at who's involved on the SCG trust I can believe it.

 

[adamkungl]

But once it's gone it's gone and the city really lacks green space and that's why there will be significant push back from the locals and Clovers mob. A refurb is a sensible idea. The stadium isn't that old (hey I played on the field on opening day that wasn't that long ago, right? RIGHT?) and could be made genuinely excellent without too much thought with the existing bones.

Put a light rail up to the joint and it will be sensational.

I can't believe state govt aren't pushing for this as an option over the more expensive rebuild. Well when you look at who's involved on the SCG trust I can believe it.

You won't find many people arguing against a refurb - except the government.

 

[herbert henry1908]

If this was a debate about taking up a serious chunk of the actual Centennial Park, sure. But the area in question has no real community or ecological value.

Certainly not ecological , but I've seen people using it to play sports.

The reality is inner city living is growing , green space is needed to accomodate that.

 

[magpie_man]

The thing is Sydney just isn't set up like other centralised cities.

Adelaide , Brisbane & Perth are tiny in comparison , population wise but more importantly geographical size.

Even more the reason for this opportunity to be seized then; at least from an infrastructure perspective.

 

[seanoff]

There is very very little wrong with the structure of the SFS. Bugger all really.

Upgrade the catering etc, add Corp facilities, re-engineer the ends, put on a lid, by far the most expensive thing they can do.

The MCG upgraded the southern stand in 2011 for $55M


"The plan includes upgrades for food areas, concourses, toilets and improved entry and ticketing systems.

Viewing areas will be upgraded so that they are similar to the Northern Stand and there will be updated audio and visual equipment".

They also upgraded their wifi, put in another 800 tvs and the exterior lighting this year for 45m

It holds 45000 so it's equivalent in capacity to the SFS. Even if that costs you $100m now. The SFS just did the iptv, wifi screen upgrade so most of that money is off the table already. There is still $300m to do the other stuff.

You can stage the upgrade. So East and South first, then West and North, The stadium is still able to handle at least 80% of the events and you get an essentially new product.

This 55000 seater is a vanity project and a waste of money. For half the price you get a stadium that holds 10000 less, probably in terms of crowds more fit for purpose and completely up to date.

 

[adamkungl]

Certainly not ecological , but I've seen people using it to play sports.

The reality is inner city living is growing , green space is needed to accomodate that.

This particular area of the inner city has ample green space though, there's a much larger field across the road plus Centennial Park and Queens Park close by - and, if it's such a big deal, they can make the existing SFS a green area AFTER the rebuild. That said I think better carpark and road links are way more important for a rebuilt stadium.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Even more the reason for this opportunity to be seized then; at least from an infrastructure perspective.

Infrastructure is happening anyway , light rail , westconnex

In terms of stadia infrastructure an upgrade of SFS is enough for what the venue hosts.

Now if we were talking about making the SFS the cities main rectangular venue that'd be a different matter. But ANZ is still going to host the premium events.

 

[herbert henry1908]

This particular area of the inner city has ample green space though, there's a much larger field across the road plus Centennial Park and Queens Park close by - and, if it's such a big deal, they can make the existing SFS a green area AFTER the rebuild. That said I think better carpark and road links are way more important for a rebuilt stadium.

As pointed out though the trust want to turn the existing Allianz into a car park.

Honestly it's all a moot point , it's not going to happen. The premier has nailed his colours.

 

[magpie_man]

Infrastructure is happening anyway , light rail , westconnex

In terms of stadia infrastructure an upgrade of SFS is enough for what the venue hosts.

Now if we were talking about making the SFS the cities main rectangular venue that'd be a different matter. But ANZ is still going to host the premium events.

I wouldn't be so sure. I think you'll see a split for premium events between the two stadiums; State of Origin and the NRL Grand Final would more than likely remain at Homebush, but I could see the major slice of Rugby Internationals (including the Bledisloe), Soccer Internationals and even Rugby League Internationals being hosted at Moore Park.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I wouldn't be so sure. I think you'll see a split for premium events between the two stadiums; State of Origin and the NRL Grand Final would more than likely remain at Homebush, but I could see the major slice of Rugby Internationals (including the Bledisloe), Soccer Internationals and even Rugby League Internationals being hosted at Moore Park.

To be clear I meant the events that can sell out ANZ. Or at least sell more than 55k seats

NRL GF
SOO
Bledisloe
Major Socceroos matches (Japan , Korea , big friendlies)
Touring EPL teams


Sadly I'd I wouldn't include RL internationals , they haven't been played out of ANZ for 15yrs


As long as the ARU can get more than 55k they'll stay at ANZ. They need the money desperately. Which may only be the Bledisloe & possibly SA , but they'll take what they can get.

 

[Pommy]

Why can't they knock down and rebuild while at its used? This has certainly be done at plenty of EPL grounds. St James's park is unregocnisable from when I was a young child but the team has never had to leave for any prolonged period. Off season in football is only a couple of months so it's not like they have even had big periods of inactivity to carry out works.
I think Anfield is currently having very major work done whilst still being used almost weekly.

 

[Captain Apollo]

As pointed out though the trust want to turn the existing Allianz into a car park.

Correct. The SCG Trust have been lusting after the land on the other side of Driver Avenue for ages. It is not their's, it falls under control of the Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust. The current Gold Member's Car Park will be bulldozed for construction of a 6 storey building which will be leased to the ARU for 75 years. As such, they now need land for a car park

To change that the Government would have to get legislation passe and the Premier knows there is no guarantee the NSW Upper House would pass it. The Premier has things which, in his opinion, is more worthy of burning his political capital on.