The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[unforgiven]

Manly fans just have to realise the identity is the Sea Eagles not "Manly". If you keep the Sea Eagle and the colors you keep the identity of the club. Just ask the Bears who would call themselves the Insert Anything Bears or Western Suburbs Magpies who know they have totally lost their identity because the Magpie is not part of it or the Steelers.
Sea Eagles should become The Northern Districts of Sydney Sea Eagles Football Club (NDS Sea Eagles) and thrive .

Complete rubbish about the Western Suburbs Magpies losing their identity, the club is owned by Wests Ashfield, play predominately in Wests colours, has a reserve grade side called the Wests Magpies and has a magpie on the jersey. The identity of a club is not just the mascot, a football club is more than that.

 

[jim_57]

As a CC resident the answer we didnt accept Manly and have not accepted Easts attempt to muscle in either

No team at all it is then. Well played.

 

[reanimate]

You tell me, will the people of Northern Sydney and Gosford become manly fans? Does manly have the finances, ambition and ability to stretch its wings to cover the whole northern sydney region?
All clubs are born at some point in time. In fifty years the new northern club won’t be plastic or a version of NE2.

In time, yes. There’ll be Bears holdouts who will never support the club, but it will be about getting the next generation interested and invested in RL and the club. In 50 years time, the Bears will be forgotten about almost entirely (unless they win an expansion slot in QLD, NZ etc of course), those rusted-on Bears fans mostly won’t be around to complain about the Sea Eagles anymore and it will become a given that the North Shore is the territory of another club now.

Starting the push in the area from the base of an established club, that has both a strong identity and history plus brand recognition with kids, is a far better proposal than starting with a new plastic club and brand. A new brand wouldn’t mean anything to anyone and would have to re-win the support of the Sea Eagles fans and start pushing back into the North Shore too. It makes no sense whatsoever to make things harder and more complicated by trying to fight on two fronts when only one is necessary.

We’re not talking about a brand new expansion region here, it doesn’t need a new brand. It’s a region of Sydney that needs proper engagement and attention from an existing NRL club. It also doesn’t necessarily have to be Manly, if that’s your bugbear, it could be Manly, the Roosters or a split between them, it just needs to be an established NRL club.

Manly fans just have to realise the identity is the Sea Eagles not "Manly". If you keep the Sea Eagle and the colors you keep the identity of the club. Just ask the Bears who would call themselves the Insert Anything Bears or Western Suburbs Magpies who know they have totally lost their identity because the Magpie is not part of it or the Steelers.
Sea Eagles should become The Northern Districts of Sydney Sea Eagles Football Club (NDS Sea Eagles) and thrive .

The name ‘Manly‘ is part of the team’s identity, it’s how we’re commonly known and how we’re referred to in shorthand. It should ideally stay, that’s why I said a far more acceptable proposal would be to drop Warringah from the club’s name and be known as something like ‘Manly-North Sydney’ or ‘Manly-North Shore’ instead of ‘Manly-Warringah’. You can acknowledge both regions with a name like that, keep the Manly identity and ability to call the club Manly in shorthand intact.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Complete rubbish about the Western Suburbs Magpies losing their identity, the club is owned by Wests Ashfield, play predominately in Wests colours, has a reserve grade side called the Wests Magpies and has a magpie on the jersey. The identity of a club is not just the mascot, a football club is more than that.

I dunno mate, they feel like the Tigers to me as their colours reflect the mascot. The magpie is minuscule on the jersey. Everything you’ve said is true but most of it is out of the public eye, the reggies don’t get televised for example. Think some of T-Boon’s points hold water. We’re still the same club despite the name change. Keeping the kit and the mascot is key.

 

[greenBV4]

In time, yes. There’ll be Bears holdouts who will never support the club, but it will be about getting the next generation interested and invested in RL and the club. In 50 years time, the Bears will be forgotten about almost entirely (unless they win an expansion slot in QLD, NZ etc of course), those rusted-on Bears fans mostly won’t be around to complain about the Sea Eagles anymore and it will become a given that the North Shore is the territory of another club now.

Starting the push in the area from the base of an established club, that has both a strong identity and history plus brand recognition with kids, is a far better proposal than starting with a new plastic club and brand. A new brand wouldn’t mean anything to anyone and would have to re-win the support of the Sea Eagles fans and start pushing back into the North Shore too. It makes no sense whatsoever to make things harder and more complicated by trying to fight on two fronts when only one is necessary.

We’re not talking about a brand new expansion region here, it doesn’t need a new brand. It’s a region of Sydney that needs proper engagement and attention from an existing NRL club. It also doesn’t necessarily have to be Manly, if that’s your bugbear, it could be Manly, the Roosters or a split between them, it just needs to be an established NRL club.

The name ‘Manly‘ is part of the team’s identity, it’s how we’re commonly known and how we’re referred to in shorthand. It should ideally stay, that’s why I said a far more acceptable proposal would be to drop Warringah from the club’s name and be known as something like ‘Manly-North Sydney’ or ‘Manly-North Shore’ instead of ‘Manly-Warringah’. You can acknowledge both regions with a name like that, keep the Manly identity and ability to call the club Manly in shorthand intact.

Would the people of North Sydney outside of manly be more likely to support the side if it dropped the name manly though?

They could (and most likely would) still be referred to as manly regardless, people still call the roosters easts despite the name change to Sydney

 

[Shire_seaeagle]

In time, yes. There’ll be Bears holdouts who will never support the club, but it will be about getting the next generation interested and invested in RL and the club. In 50 years time, the Bears will be forgotten about almost entirely (unless they win an expansion slot in QLD, NZ etc of course), those rusted-on Bears fans mostly won’t be around to complain about the Sea Eagles anymore and it will become a given that the North Shore is the territory of another club now.

Starting the push in the area from the base of an established club, that has both a strong identity and history plus brand recognition with kids, is a far better proposal than starting with a new plastic club and brand. A new brand wouldn’t mean anything to anyone and would have to re-win the support of the Sea Eagles fans and start pushing back into the North Shore too. It makes no sense whatsoever to make things harder and more complicated by trying to fight on two fronts when only one is necessary.

We’re not talking about a brand new expansion region here, it doesn’t need a new brand. It’s a region of Sydney that needs proper engagement and attention from an existing NRL club. It also doesn’t necessarily have to be Manly, if that’s your bugbear, it could be Manly, the Roosters or a split between them, it just needs to be an established NRL club.

The name ‘Manly‘ is part of the team’s identity, it’s how we’re commonly known and how we’re referred to in shorthand. It should ideally stay, that’s why I said a far more acceptable proposal would be to drop Warringah from the club’s name and be known as something like ‘Manly-North Sydney’ or ‘Manly-North Shore’ instead of ‘Manly-Warringah’. You can acknowledge both regions with a name like that, keep the Manly identity and ability to call the club Manly in shorthand intact.

Totally agree only compromise/concession Manly need to make is to include a highonated name that includes the north shore area, get the NRL to let Manly access and promote in the north shore and that area will be sorted.

Look at the passionate hatred from the bears 20 years after there team folded it probably take another twenty till thiere old staunch supporters went away and the new generations turned to Manly. People ( PR ) now want to do the same with the neighbouring Northern beaches and start a new 50year old generation of hate from Manly supporters by folding them??

Me and my family of 4 are season ticket holders, both my kids play footy, i coach one team and run the water for the other. If Manly get punted nrl will get punted by myself and fellow friends/ supporters and ill go straight to soccer. ( id lie if I said AFL).

I would love to see how this new " fantastic Northern franchise " will get volunteers to coach, train all the juniors in the combined northern area. Luckily for them there wouldn't be any kids to train as they will be playing union or soccer.

Rugby league is not just the NRL clubs, it goes all the way down to the 6's through various aligned junior clubs that lead to the nrl club but don't let that stop people from placing dots in areas that look like a great business decision.

 

[reanimate]

Would the people of North Sydney outside of manly be more likely to support the side if it dropped the name manly though?

They could (and most likely would) still be referred to as manly regardless, people still call the roosters easts despite the name change to Sydney

Possibly, but the people who get hung up on the team being called Manly would also get hung up on the fact that it’s the Sea Eagles in general, so the name is better off staying.

The idea behind Manly/whoever else taking over development of RL in the area isn’t about getting those people on board, although it would be great if they’d come into the fold. People who want the Bears back aren’t likely to support Manly or any other team taking over the North Shore, it’s about future RL development and engagement in the area. Getting kids interested in RL and a club that engages with their area is what will pay dividends in the future.

 

[siv]

Would the people of North Sydney outside of manly be more likely to support the side if it dropped the name manly though?

They could (and most likely would) still be referred to as manly regardless, people still call the roosters easts despite the name change to Sydney

Manly was part of North Sydney from 1908 to 1946

North Sydney has never been part of Manly. But it was part of the Northern Eagles for 2 years under their shotgun wedding

 

[T-Boon]

If I was the NRL I would say to Manly either change your name to Northern Suburbs Sea Eagles and play 8 games at NSO or else we will offer the Northern Suburbs Bears back provided they play 3 games at Brookvale Oval each season.

 

[Perth Red]

Totally agree only compromise/concession Manly need to make is to include a highonated name that includes the north shore area, get the NRL to let Manly access and promote in the north shore and that area will be sorted.

Look at the passionate hatred from the bears 20 years after there team folded it probably take another twenty till thiere old staunch supporters went away and the new generations turned to Manly. People ( PR ) now want to do the same with the neighbouring Northern beaches and start a new 50year old generation of hate from Manly supporters by folding them??

Me and my family of 4 are season ticket holders, both my kids play footy, i coach one team and run the water for the other. If Manly get punted nrl will get punted by myself and fellow friends/ supporters and ill go straight to soccer. ( id lie if I said AFL).

I would love to see how this new " fantastic Northern franchise " will get volunteers to coach, train all the juniors in the combined northern area. Luckily for them there wouldn't be any kids to train as they will be playing union or soccer.

Rugby league is not just the NRL clubs, it goes all the way down to the 6's through various aligned junior clubs that lead to the nrl club but don't let that stop people from placing dots in areas that look like a great business decision.

we are way off stadiums now, head on over to the expansion thread I’d suggest.
back to stadiums, I think one thing we can agree is no matter what the club is called or who owns it they need to play in a more central northern stadium than brookvale if there is any hope of one nrl club representing the whole north sydney and behind region.

 

[T-Boon]

Is north sydney oval the closest ground to the city? I think its about 5 minutes from Wynyard to NSO.

 

[reanimate]

Totally agree only compromise/concession Manly need to make is to include a highonated name that includes the north shore area, get the NRL to let Manly access and promote in the north shore and that area will be sorted.

Agreed, the solution isn’t complicated, it just needs to be allowed to happen!

If I was the NRL I would say to Manly either change your name to Northern Suburbs Sea Eagles and play 8 games at NSO or else we will offer the Northern Suburbs Bears back provided they play 3 games at Brookvale Oval each season.

No thanks, Saints are doing just fine being called St George Illawarra, they didn’t have to adopt some generic ‘Southern Districts Dragons’ name. Manly can still be called Manly if we adopt the North Shore/North Sydney in our naming too and reflect representing both.

 

[unforgiven]

I dunno mate, they feel like the Tigers to me as their colours reflect the mascot. The magpie is minuscule on the jersey. Everything you’ve said is true but most of it is out of the public eye, the reggies don’t get televised for example. Think some of T-Boon’s points hold water. We’re still the same club despite the name change. Keeping the kit and the mascot is key.

They don't play one game in a predominately orange jersey this season, the design of the jersey is very Wests centric. The Wests Magpies would have played close to 10 games on free to air television last season. I get that casuals mostly see the mascot, but the club is for the fans of the club not the opposition supporters and all those other things should be in the public eye of supporters of the club.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

They don't play one game in a predominately orange jersey this season, the design of the jersey is very Wests centric. The Wests Magpies would have played close to 10 games on free to air television last season. I get that casuals mostly see the mascot, but the club is for the fans of the club not the opposition supporters and all those other things should be in the public eye of supporters of the club.

Fair point

 

[T-Boon]

Maybe the Rabbitohs should rename to Sydney Rabbitohs and play 4 games at NSO each year. Apparently there are no Rabbits fans in the south of Sydney any more.
Maybe go Sydney Rabbitohs play 6 games at NSO and 6 at SFS.

 

[T-Boon]

No thanks, Saints are doing just fine being called St George Illawarra, they didn’t have to adopt some generic ‘Southern Districts Dragons’ name. Manly can still be called Manly if we adopt the North Shore/North Sydney in our naming too and reflect representing both.

I think Manly need to stay in Brookvale and those burbs out there because the Northern Districts belongs to others like Norths and the Roosters. NSO is much closer to the city than it is to Manly. The Sea Eagles just need to do their best out there in the couple of suburbs and their old ground.

 

[Shire_seaeagle]

Maybe the Rabbitohs should rename to Sydney Rabbitohs and play 4 games at NSO each year. Apparently there are no Rabbits fans in the south of Sydney any more.
Maybe go Sydney Rabbitohs play 6 games at NSO and 6 at SFS.

They would need to be called South North Rabbitohs - nice ring to it actually! Haha

 

[Shire_seaeagle]

we are way off stadiums now, head on over to the expansion thread I’d suggest.
back to stadiums, I think one thing we can agree is no matter what the club is called or who owns it they need to play in a more central northern stadium than brookvale if there is any hope of one nrl club representing the whole north sydney and behind region.

Ultimately I do agree for long term survival but as a long term ticketed Manly fan I would like to see Brookie upgraded even if it was only suitable for short term till some harder decisions need to be made

 

[T-Boon]

They would need to be called South North Rabbitohs - nice ring to it actually! Haha

I'd just go Sydney Rabbitohs. The games the NRL not the Sydney first grade premiership.

 

[The Great Dane]

Agreed, the solution isn’t complicated, it just needs to be allowed to happen!

No thanks, Saints are doing just fine being called St George Illawarra, they didn’t have to adopt some generic ‘Southern Districts Dragons’ name. Manly can still be called Manly if we adopt the North Shore/North Sydney in our naming too and reflect representing both.

The fact of the matter is that any potential supporters in North Sydney that would be inclined to support Manly as they are would do so already whether or not the Bears juniors are under the Sea Eagles control, and obviously there aren't enough of them willing to do that otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

That means that if you are going to attract them then you need to make some changes to make yourselves appealing to them, and two obvious changes that could make a big difference is a home ground in a more central location and a re-branding so the club actually makes an effort to represent the people that they would be claiming to represent.

Let's put it this way; if roles were reversed and the Bears were trying to attract people from the Northern Beaches to jump on board, would you make a commitment to them if they had made no concerted effort to make a commitment to you? Of course you wouldn't, but here you are expecting different of them.

Possibly, but the people who get hung up on the team being called Manly would also get hung up on the fact that it’s the Sea Eagles in general, so the name is better off staying.

The only people who would get hung up on the team being called the Sea Eagles are people that are already fans of other clubs (including Bears fans), people you're almost certainly never going to get to change allegiances.

However I'd bet that there're plenty of people in greater Northern Sydney that have no interest in supporting a "Manly Warringah club" whom could be converted under the right circumstances.